Chris Obekpa

 Hahahaha - the bitterness is hilarious! His handlers didn't get a better deal from St. John's - the NCAA has been all over St. John's for a while now...His handlers realized what a piss poor job Cincinnati has done to prepare their players for the NBA....The job that staff did with Yancy Gates is downright criminal...There was a damning quote from an NBA scout about how poor of a job they did developing Gates and it's pretty obvious that the entire NBA knows how terrible they are

Contrast that with the NBA level staff that St. John's has with Lavin, Dunlap, Rico Hines and throw in Gene Keady and it's really a no brainer when it comes to deciding between the two schools...And that's without even considering NYC vs. Cincinnati and the publicity these kids get here vs. there, playing your homes games at MSG, etc.
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Obviously this is a St. Johns board so I am not going to get into a huge argument here, but seriously? if St. Johns is so great why has the school been irrelevant nationally since what, Chris Mullen era late 80's-early 90's? Bottom line is one school is coming off a Sweet 16 appearance and is expected to be a top 25 team next year and the other, well isn't.
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We are rebuilding. UC is built to win NOW. Big, big difference. We only started to get back on the scene a few years ago with Lavin coming on board. We are starting to get BIG recruits instead of second tier. Cincy is not a dominant team...we beat you with a freshman team and you guys went to the sweet 16. That says something. Cincy will never be a powerhouse...just a solid not great team. I think SJ's future is much greater than Cincy's. SJ is KNOWN for basketball...Cincy isn't really known.
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Tom Thacker, Tony Yates, Paul Hogue, Ron Bonham, and some insignificant point guard named Oscar Robertson don't count for much and two national championships really don't count either I guess because beating Jerry Lucas, John Havlicek, Bobby Knight, Mel Nowell, and Joe Roberts of Ohio State probably wasn't much of an achievement.

I guess being a fan of STJ disconnects the edit function in select people's brains and allows stuff to get typed that discredits the rest of STJ fans who are just as Redmen crazed but also respect the history of the game. 

On the other hand is it still true that the best place to have fun in Cincinnati is called Frankfurt, Kentucky?
 
Why do we feel the need to respond to this Cincinnati  fool. Obviously he was upset enough about likely not getting Obekpa that he searched out our board to complain on. Lets focus on what actually matters and that is the likelihood of getting a defensive stopper in the middle. If we do get Obekpa we will have the best defense in the Big East, period.
 
 1. Is Cincy really being compared with NYC? That's not even comparable. NYC is a tier one GLOBALLY known city that is the center of American culture, finance, fashion, etc. Cincy is more like a tier three city. Other tier ones are such as: LA and Chicago. I consider tier two's to be more like Houston, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc. So please don't attempt to compare apples and oranges.
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Neither should you compare big apples and government cheese. The city at the center of US and world culture is Washington DC. It's not even arguable. All other cities are second. That said you'd be hard pressed to name a facet of US culture that takes its cue from NYC. Maybe once, but no longer. Finance, DC. The arts, LA. Couture, maybe NY, but who cares. OTOH the tallest building in Cincy is 8 stories high. Paris it ain't.

2. Cincy won in 61 and 62. You are talking half a century ago...my mother wasn't even born yet and it was 25 years before I was even a cell. So enough...Cincy is not anywhere near a powerhouse...Georgetown, Nova, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cuse, etc. were almost always much better than Cincy...you are a middle of the pack team in the Big East until last year really. We also beat you...remember?
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Bad argument. SJ has won never anything and has been awful for 20 years. Pretty soon you'll be bringing up the NIT and the wonder five. Long time SJ fans should be cautiously optimistic about the future. But we are a relapse away from renewed obsolescence.

3. You will never be able to attract recruits like us with Lavin and the NYC/MSG package we can offer along with proven preparation for the NBA. We are already attracting better recruits and we aren't even good yet. Just imagine once we start being ranked again how many more recruits we will get. Just fall on your sword already.
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Good argument. Lavin is something of a bimbo but he's a great recruiter. And good players can win no matter how befuddled the coach, see also Syracuse. Although tortured dwarf Mick Cronin will always be able to attract recruits because he will always be under UC's generous salary cap, the good news is that he's an atrocious coach and a repulsive human being who will never be successful.
 
 
 1. Is Cincy really being compared with NYC? That's not even comparable. NYC is a tier one GLOBALLY known city that is the center of American culture, finance, fashion, etc. Cincy is more like a tier three city. Other tier ones are such as: LA and Chicago. I consider tier two's to be more like Houston, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc. So please don't attempt to compare apples and oranges.
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Neither should you compare big apples and government cheese. The city at the center of US and world culture is Washington DC. It's not even arguable. All other cities are second. That said you'd be hard pressed to name a facet of US culture that takes its cue from NYC. Maybe once, but no longer. Finance, DC. The arts, LA. Couture, maybe NY, but who cares. OTOH the tallest building in Cincy is 8 stories high. Paris it ain't.

2. Cincy won in 61 and 62. You are talking half a century ago...my mother wasn't even born yet and it was 25 years before I was even a cell. So enough...Cincy is not anywhere near a powerhouse...Georgetown, Nova, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cuse, etc. were almost always much better than Cincy...you are a middle of the pack team in the Big East until last year really. We also beat you...remember?
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Bad argument. SJ has won never anything and has been awful for 20 years. Pretty soon you'll be bringing up the NIT and the wonder five. Long time SJ fans should be cautiously optimistic about the future. But we are a relapse away from renewed obsolescence.

3. You will never be able to attract recruits like us with Lavin and the NYC/MSG package we can offer along with proven preparation for the NBA. We are already attracting better recruits and we aren't even good yet. Just imagine once we start being ranked again how many more recruits we will get. Just fall on your sword already.
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Good argument. Lavin is something of a bimbo but he's a great recruiter. And good players can win no matter how befuddled the coach, see also Syracuse. Although tortured dwarf Mick Cronin will always be able to attract recruits because he will always be under UC's generous salary cap, the good news is that he's an atrocious coach and a repulsive human being who will never be successful.
 
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Welcome back FUN!!! Where were you when we needed some humor during this God awful season??
 
I admit, I have no idea why anyone would go on another team's fan site. Nothing good comes out of it. Plus, I don't have the time or energy for it. Having said that, can we let this die already? Like MJ said earlier, which ever program Obekpa picks, the crazies are going to accuse the other side of cheating.

Let's show some decorum please, even if you think someone else initiated the harsh words.

I would much rather imagine the staff roll out Chandler and Obekpa than worry about being insulted by another fan. This program has made a miraculous college hoops recovery. This staff has put us on the precipce of being very good, for a very long time. Losing players with the talent of Harkless to the NBA will happen now. But top recruits will be brought in to replace them.

Let's use sports, in this case SJU hoops, as a way to distract us from all the layers of sheit in the world.

Yikes, after writing this, I feel really old. :eek:hmy:
 
 Hahahaha - the bitterness is hilarious! His handlers didn't get a better deal from St. John's - the NCAA has been all over St. John's for a while now...His handlers realized what a piss poor job Cincinnati has done to prepare their players for the NBA....The job that staff did with Yancy Gates is downright criminal...There was a damning quote from an NBA scout about how poor of a job they did developing Gates and it's pretty obvious that the entire NBA knows how terrible they are

Contrast that with the NBA level staff that St. John's has with Lavin, Dunlap, Rico Hines and throw in Gene Keady and it's really a no brainer when it comes to deciding between the two schools...And that's without even considering NYC vs. Cincinnati and the publicity these kids get here vs. there, playing your homes games at MSG, etc.
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Obviously this is a St. Johns board so I am not going to get into a huge argument here, but seriously? if St. Johns is so great why has the school been irrelevant nationally since what, Chris Mullen era late 80's-early 90's? Bottom line is one school is coming off a Sweet 16 appearance and is expected to be a top 25 team next year and the other, well isn't.
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We are rebuilding. UC is built to win NOW. Big, big difference. We only started to get back on the scene a few years ago with Lavin coming on board. We are starting to get BIG recruits instead of second tier. Cincy is not a dominant team...we beat you with a freshman team and you guys went to the sweet 16. That says something. Cincy will never be a powerhouse...just a solid not great team. I think SJ's future is much greater than Cincy's. SJ is KNOWN for basketball...Cincy isn't really known.
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Tom Thacker, Tony Yates, Paul Hogue, Ron Bonham, and some insignificant point guard named Oscar Robertson don't count for much and two national championships really don't count either I guess because beating Jerry Lucas, John Havlicek, Bobby Knight, Mel Nowell, and Joe Roberts of Ohio State probably wasn't much of an achievement.

I guess being a fan of STJ disconnects the edit function in select people's brains and allows stuff to get typed that discredits the rest of STJ fans who are just as Redmen crazed but also respect the history of the game. 

On the other hand is it still true that the best place to have fun in Cincinnati is called Frankfurt, Kentucky?
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When you are still bragging about an NBA player you can google and find black and white photos of, that means you haven't turned out any big names in a long time. SJ: Artest, Mullins, Davis, Jackson, etc. all big names, all recent.
 
 1. Is Cincy really being compared with NYC? That's not even comparable. NYC is a tier one GLOBALLY known city that is the center of American culture, finance, fashion, etc. Cincy is more like a tier three city. Other tier ones are such as: LA and Chicago. I consider tier two's to be more like Houston, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc. So please don't attempt to compare apples and oranges.
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Neither should you compare big apples and government cheese. The city at the center of US and world culture is Washington DC. It's not even arguable. All other cities are second. That said you'd be hard pressed to name a facet of US culture that takes its cue from NYC. Maybe once, but no longer. Finance, DC. The arts, LA. Couture, maybe NY, but who cares. OTOH the tallest building in Cincy is 8 stories high. Paris it ain't.

2. Cincy won in 61 and 62. You are talking half a century ago...my mother wasn't even born yet and it was 25 years before I was even a cell. So enough...Cincy is not anywhere near a powerhouse...Georgetown, Nova, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cuse, etc. were almost always much better than Cincy...you are a middle of the pack team in the Big East until last year really. We also beat you...remember?
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Bad argument. SJ has won never anything and has been awful for 20 years. Pretty soon you'll be bringing up the NIT and the wonder five. Long time SJ fans should be cautiously optimistic about the future. But we are a relapse away from renewed obsolescence.

3. You will never be able to attract recruits like us with Lavin and the NYC/MSG package we can offer along with proven preparation for the NBA. We are already attracting better recruits and we aren't even good yet. Just imagine once we start being ranked again how many more recruits we will get. Just fall on your sword already.
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Good argument. Lavin is something of a bimbo but he's a great recruiter. And good players can win no matter how befuddled the coach, see also Syracuse. Although tortured dwarf Mick Cronin will always be able to attract recruits because he will always be under UC's generous salary cap, the good news is that he's an atrocious coach and a repulsive human being who will never be successful.
 
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Are you kidding with the DC argument? Washington is our capital, yes...but globally I would guarantee New York is the more well-known city. DC is very, very small and handles the government...nothing else. It's a one trick pony. Finance DC? Last I checked New York had Wall Street the NYSE, millions of corporations, big banks, and other big wigs living there such as Trump. DC may print the money, but it flows through New York and that isn't even debatable. Does the term "FINANCIAL district" ring a bell? If New York somehow got wiped off the map overnight, our country would be in ruins. If Cincy got wiped off the map overnight, the world would still go around. That's not being cruel, that's being real. Some cities mean MUCH more to the country and the globe than others. The only thing LA has on NY is the better weather, and Hollywood with the actors and crap. New York is the art capital, the transportation capital, the skyscraper capital, the fashion capital, the financial capital, etc. etc. of the country. We were not named "The Empire State" for nothing.
 
 I understand whichever fan base doesn't get Obekpa is gonna be upset but why come here and start with SJU fans when the kid hasn't even made his decision yet. You have some valid points and our fans have valid points leave it at that. Yes you guys have 2 national championships but that was 51 years ago do you really think a 17 year old kid is making his college choice based on a team his great grandfather watched. SJU is coming off some very down years with some pathetic coaches but we have the better staff in place now and its starting to turn even though we haven't had a good team since 2000. The major difference is we have a great coaching staff now that has the rep of getting guys ready for the NBA and you guys don't have that. It is much more likely Obekpa looks at the recent coaching of Yancy Gates then remembers you guys having the great Oscar Robertson 51 years ago, Gates had the potential of being a lottery pick and he regressed every season at Cincy. We will see where the chips may fall but stop accusing SJU of cheating to get these recruits its called we have a legit staff now and if we were cheating believe me the NCAA would be all over us ever since Jarvis referred to the NCAA as rapists we are not exactly on their good side.
 
I have to agree with Joe3 on this. NYC is the Financial capital of the world. throughout the rest of the world Financial leaders are looking to the NYSE to see what is happening in American and World finance. As well as fashion and art. Broadway? Andy Warhol? I dont know fashion but, I am sure there are plenty of big names to come out of NYC fashion district. I don't know about the rest of you but, Im in a New York State of Mind and I am soo pissed that this is my first post. smh.

Back on topic has anyone heard anything about whether his grades are factor as post before?
 
 DJ Kennedy is in the NBA a year after coming of knee surgery. And Moe Harkless, who after one year under Lavin/Dunlap went from a top 40 recruit to a late 1st round draft pick.
 
Jack Twyman was not just a great basketball player, he is legendary as a person as well.

If he were a St.Johns alumnus, he would be listed at the top of the class with our other legendary alumni.

The fact that Cincy hasn't had great ball clubs over the last 40 years, doesn't mean that they haven't had good ball clubs.

Huggins was always competitive, aside from his other problems.. We have had a drought since Carnesseca and up to Lavin, with the exception of some of Fran's recruits.

We are both Big East teams and both worthy of our being there.

The Bearcat that's been posting here is a fan just as we are.

He made a poor choice remark about Lavin. How many times did posters say that Cincy ha$ Obepka.
It's all in the heat of battle. No excuse for bad taste but it kind of comes with the territory

 
 
He made a poor choice remark about Lavin. How many times did posters say that Cincy ha$ Obepka.
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How many times did posters say Cincy was gonna get Obekpa due to a transfer of funds?
 
 DJ Kennedy is in the NBA a year after coming of knee surgery. And Moe Harkless, who after one year under Lavin/Dunlap went from a top 40 recruit to a late 1st round draft pick.
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I'm all for crediting the staff, but do you really believe that the staff is responsible for Kennedy being in the NBA. If anything, the staff's use of Kennedy, while clearly helping the team, hurt Kennedy's individual prospects.
 
Are you kidding with the DC argument?
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No. You'll know when I'm kidding by the gales of laughter.

Washington is our capital, yes...but globally I would guarantee New York is the more well-known city. DC is very, very small and handles the government...nothing else. It's a one trick pony.
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Certainly your guarantees mean a great deal and should forstall all further discussion. And yet I persevere. Because the government isn't a pony. It's a giant maw suckling at the teat of commerce and sucking the air out of nearly every other facet of human life. Among other things it micro manages the largest ecomony in the world, of which NY is but a part. It has the power to tax, the power to coerce behavior, the power to deprive you of your liberty, and the power to blow you to smithereens. Essentially all NY has the power to do is stop you from buying big glasses of soda pop.

Finance DC? Last I checked New York had Wall Street the NYSE, millions of corporations, big banks, and other big wigs living there such as Trump. DC may print the money, but it flows through New York and that isn't even debatable.
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By that logic I am the most important distillery in the world because while Johnnie Walker may have made the whiskey, it flows through my veins.

Does the term "FINANCIAL district" ring a bell?
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As a matter of fact I have. Have you heard of Chinatown? Does that make NY the capital of Hong Kong?

If New York somehow got wiped off the map overnight, our country would be in ruins. If Cincy got wiped off the map overnight, the world would still go around. That's not being cruel, that's being real. Some cities mean MUCH more to the country and the globe than others.
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Thanks for capitalizing MUCH. Otherwise your point might have SLIPPED by me. Or is that slipped by ME? Anyway, we have reached some small agreement. Some cities do mean much more, sorry MUCH more to the country than others. For example Schenectady is the punchline of many jokes that would less risible if say Boise or Dayton were substituted in its place.

The only thing LA has on NY is the better weather, and Hollywood with the actors and crap.
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\What do you think it is that drives the popular culture? Broadway? That would explain all those zany kids dressing up like cats and newsboys. The Met? Crappy performance art pieces and bongo loft poetry readings? Movies and TV and recording drive the popular culture, or if you prefer, Hollywood with the actors and crap.

New York is the art capital, the transportation capital,
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In what sense is NY the transportation capital of anywhere?

the skyscraper capital,
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Also the wtf capital evidently. The skyscraper capital? Why not the sidewalk pretzel vendor capital? The diseased transvestite hooker capital?

the fashion capital, the financial capital, etc. etc. of the country. We were not named "The Empire State" for nothing.
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I don't know how official any of this is, but Georgia is also called the empire state. Maybe we should arm wrestle them for it then we could be the Over The Top capital as well.
 
 DJ Kennedy is in the NBA a year after coming of knee surgery. And Moe Harkless, who after one year under Lavin/Dunlap went from a top 40 recruit to a late 1st round draft pick.
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I'm all for crediting the staff, but do you really believe that the staff is responsible for Kennedy being in the NBA. If anything, the staff's use of Kennedy, while clearly helping the team, hurt Kennedy's individual prospects.
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Who is responsible then?
 
I'm waiting for Boo Harvey's IP address to be tracked back to Lawrence, Kansas :silly:
 
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