Charleston Classic

At this point with all the talent on our team, if you expect us to lose to Charleston then you are just a pessimist. It's possible for any team to beat any team on any day, but they certainly shouldn't be the juggernaut you seem to expect. If they do look like a juggernaut against us, we are in big trouble. If we can't beat Charleston, does that mean you expect us to lose every conference game? Jesus...
 
I'm a little nervous too... I would love for us to get off to a quick start. Our guards cant be so quick to help and give up open kickbacks for 3's. definitely love to see us make it a track meet.
Pumped up to be here on vacation. The walk from my hotel (off of Pinckney St) is a quick one. Got in town Wednesday, place has been awesome thus far. Anyone staying need recommendations to any bars/rests let me know!
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We are very quick to help, and I don't know why. I've been noticing that too though. And a few of our guys (Dom and Amir especially) are supposed to be lock down defenders.

Maybe it's a learning curve.
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The kids were used to playing zone. Any chance moving on the pass, not the catch is a carryover affect?
 
Every mid major has a classic upset or 2. I wonder how often that actually happens for them. Probably extremely rare. We almost beat Duke last year. What's your point? Just beating a good team last year means nothing. There is nothing about them that should overwhelm us unless they have a historic day from 3. Is this a game we may lose? Sure...but we should be able to handle the 2nd best team in the SoCo. You really underestimate the difference between SoCo and the Big East. They don't play teams as talented as ours often at all. This is the kind of game their fans may storm the court for if they win. For us, it's a game we should win and move on.
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My point is that they are better than you are implying. And it is not clear that we should beat them
They have beaten a major conference team every year recently. Last year it was an ACC and SEC team, the year before that it was Tennessee again, and three years ago they beat North Carolina. They see teams from our level a couple times a year, and they usually win one of them.

You're saying we should be able to handle them, and I'm pointing out that we struggled with Detroit. We were down 8 at halftime and won by just 3. And, arguably, this team is better than Detroit. Actually, last year they were better than Detroit.

I hope we win, but they are not going to be intimidated facing a Big East team. This is not like playing Concordia, this is like playing Detroit.
 
Baylor in a fight right now with Boston College. 1 pt game with a minute to go in the first half.
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Pierre Jackson looks like one of the best PGs in the nation. 17 points in the half.
Ryan Anderson of BC is legit.

Ricardo Gathers looks decent. Good on the boards. Had a steal for a breakaway dunk. But he has no real post game and just does a lot of the dirty work. From the little I've seen of him, Christian Jones is the better prospect right now. More well rounded.

EDIT: Anderson just hit a halfcourt jumper at the buzzer to give BC a 43-41 lead at the half. Incredible player.
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You telling us a guy we never heard of is better then the guy we cried about losing!! Thats a great thing, go figure. Gotta give kudos to coach Steve. Coach Calhoun brought in a 6-9 kid who really ran the floor and banged a few years back. I forgot his name, but I don't think he was a top 100 recruit but became all BE and was drafted. Now I remember, Josh Boone. Not a big time recruit, right.
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To be fair, this is the first extended action I've seen from Gathers. I always felt if he stayed here, he would've just been a complimentary player, not a huge factor in Wins and Losses. I also felt because of his height, he would get killed in the Big East.

But yes, I think Jones is just as good, if not better than Gathers right now. Jones has a midrange game. That pretty much separates the 2 as I believe both of them are capable of scrapping for boards. At Gathers' height, he'll need to expand his game. Any offensive boards he gets, he'll probably just get blocked trying to go back up with it.

Gathers was a Top 40 recruit. If you put Jones on Baylor, I think there's no drop off and he possibly makes them better.
 
Ok, sorry...Charleston is Duke. Is that more accurate? Man, if we blow this team out, you will have a lot of egg on your face. Have some confidence in our team. I don't understand the submissiveness of some SJ fans acting like we are inferior to Charleston. Either way you slice it, this will be deemed an upset by the media if they beat us.
 
Every mid major has a classic upset or 2. I wonder how often that actually happens for them. Probably extremely rare. We almost beat Duke last year. What's your point? Just beating a good team last year means nothing. There is nothing about them that should overwhelm us unless they have a historic day from 3. Is this a game we may lose? Sure...but we should be able to handle the 2nd best team in the SoCo. You really underestimate the difference between SoCo and the Big East. They don't play teams as talented as ours often at all. This is the kind of game their fans may storm the court for if they win. For us, it's a game we should win and move on.
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My point is that they are better than you are implying. And it is not clear that we should beat them
They have beaten a major conference team every year recently. Last year it was an ACC and SEC team, the year before that it was Tennessee again, and three years ago they beat North Carolina. They see teams from our level a couple times a year, and they usually win one of them.

You're saying we should be able to handle them, and I'm pointing out that we struggled with Detroit. We were down 8 at halftime and won by just 3. And, arguably, this team is better than Detroit. Actually, last year they were better than Detroit.

I hope we win, but they are not going to be intimidated facing a Big East team. This is not like playing Concordia, this is like playing Detroit.
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Good points Desco. Unfortunately it will result in another inane response.
 
At this point with all the talent on our team, if you expect us to lose to Charleston then you are just a pessimist. It's possible for any team to beat any team on any day, but they certainly shouldn't be the juggernaut you seem to expect. If they do look like a juggernaut against us, we are in big trouble. If we can't beat Charleston, does that mean you expect us to lose every conference game? Jesus...
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I never said I expect us to lose. But you do this every single game.

You don't know much about the opponent so you compare how many Top 100 players we have as compared to them and come to some conclusion that we should beat them by 15.

The games don't work that way.

And who in the world has ever stormed the court, in the first game of an invitational, against an unranked team?
 
I don't see how you can compare Detroit to Charleston. There is no player on that team close to McCallum. You say "we beat a mid major by 3" referring to Detroit, implying that all mid majors are the same. Not the case. Charleston is a team we should handle. Remember we got basically zero offensive production from Sampson and we beat a tourney team with an NBA draft pick running the show. IMO if Sampson just gets in his groove, this game is ours fairly easily.
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2012 RPI Rankings
Charleston 124
Detroit 130
St Johns 155


Not having a McCallum doesn't mean they're much worse than Detroit. They beat Clemson and Tennessee last year, and played Louisville a lot closer than we did... @ Louisville. They are predicted to finish 2nd in their conference behind Davidson. Which makes them a bubble team probably. They're a different team, but pretty comparable to Detroit.

Again, i'm not giving you my Lou Holtz impression, trying to make Navy out to be the '71 cornhuskers.
Charleston isn't great, but they are comparable to Detroit.

I hope the team is taking Charleston a lot more serious than you are Joe.
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And Charleston only lost 1 player from that team while picking up a jr transfer.

FYI ESPN 12/13 Preseason Rankings:

Detroit 93
Charleston 105
St Johns 117

Just saying. They're a Sr/Jr led bunch with a very good coach. It'll be a battle. I also want to beg to differ with one other point Joe brought up. He said STJ was a way more talented bunch. They're certainly a more athletic bunch and a bunch with higher potential but I wouldn't automatically call them more talented. DLo and Phil are showing a lot of talent this year, Amir maybe as well. Through one game in my eyes the rest are just using their athletic ability to this point and have a ways to go before they reach their potential and are really talented.
 
Well, I'm off to class. I expect to see Duke, I mean Charleston totally dominate us in the box score. Sarcasm of course.
 
At this point with all the talent on our team, if you expect us to lose to Charleston then you are just a pessimist. It's possible for any team to beat any team on any day, but they certainly shouldn't be the juggernaut you seem to expect. If they do look like a juggernaut against us, we are in big trouble. If we can't beat Charleston, does that mean you expect us to lose every conference game? Jesus...
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1) I'm not expecting us to lose

2) I have never claimed they were a juggernaut. I compared them to our last opponent. How is that anything like calling them a juggernaut?

3) Even if I did expect SJU to lose it would not necessarily make me a pessimist. Consider:

We beat Detroit by 3, Charleston is better than Detroit. This game is in Charleston.
A rational person could pick either team to win, it does not require a bias or pessimism to claim Charleston will win.

and 4) No, if we lose I do not think that means we will lose all our conference games. Why? Because Charleston would beat some Big East teams. That's a concept you're finding hard to grasp.
 
Ok, sorry...Charleston is Duke. Is that more accurate? Man, if we blow this team out, you will have a lot of egg on your face. Have some confidence in our team. I don't understand the submissiveness of some SJ fans acting like we are inferior to Charleston. Either way you slice it, this will be deemed an upset by the media if they beat us.
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Well,not by ESPN given the home court and the rankings as noted above.
 
It is really frustrating when 4 different posters say this should be a close game, and you turn around and claim they're equating Charleston with Duke or a "juggernaut".

Nobody said that. No one. Not Austour, not Sjualum98, not me.


Is it that hard to think that a talented, mostly freshmen Big East team is more or less equal to a senior laden mid major?

If this game was played in February at MSG I'd say we could be 10 point favorites maybe. But it's the second game of the year, and it's in Charleston. It really doesn't require a great leap of faith to see this one being close.

But I'm sure we'd all be thrilled if we win this one easily.
 
By the way, 5 mins to half and we're looking good.

But no, joe, I do not feel like I have egg on my face. Nor should anyone who said it would be a close game.
Based on how we played against Detroit, this hsould be a close game. I'm happy that it looks like we might be much better than that.


Headed to MSG for the weak 2k classic, but I'll get a good look at Villanova, our first conference opponent.
Watching the rest of this game on dvr later tonight.
 
I think we will be fine vs. Charleston. This is another team we should beat. I don't see how we are the underdog at all unless they (like anyone else) have an uncanny day behind the arc shooting 50% or something. You have to remember that these mid majors are not used to playing against teams with our athleticism and talent. They are not Detroit they have no Wooden Watch player headed to the NBA. If Sampson can get rid of his jitters, and we get more of the same from last game from the likes of Greene, D'Lo, Jones, etc. we will win by 10-15.
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Ahem.
 
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