(Charleston Classic) NORTH TEXAS, Thur., Nov. 16, 1:30p, ESPNU

Three of their 5 starters return, plus a rotation guy. They added a transfer from Oklahoma, one from Ole Miss, an 11pt scorer and 40% 3pt shooter (who hit 80 of them) from UTSA, and a Natl JC 1st team All-American, all of whom are in their main rotation. That's their 8 men. FWIW

And it's just not true that it will "always be used against you ..." You don't think the Committee will take into account Pitino's been building this team and if we're on a roll in the Big East they're not going to value that over as loss to No. Tex on Nov 16?

Any way we'll just have to see... I for one am not going crazy if we lose on Thursday, esp if NT looks good. If we then lose to LSU, 2-16 in conference last season and picked last in the SEC this season however, I can't commit to not losing my mind.
I'd be rather irked if we lost in Thursday.

The end.
 
I really don't know. I don't know what to make of the committee since they introduced the NET system. I just know North Texas, even if they are a good team and have a solid season, will have a lower NET due to conference affiliation. The good thing is this is a neutral site game. Which would reduce some of the blow of losing. But hopefully we win and this convo is moot.
They are now in the AAC and not Conference USA anymore. Its a little better. Plus, this is a neutral court game, so there could be a chance that this winds up a Quad 2 game.
 
The North Texas team from last year would have beaten the snot out of Michigan last night. Thankfully they lost several key players and their coach. Tylor Perry was one of my favorite players in the entire portal. I really liked the big kid that went to Xavier as well.

Jenkins and Ledlum should be more comfortable against this caliber of opponent as should all the other transfers we have jumping up in competition.

Would love a 2-1 finish in Charleston.
 
I say if we lose this game we cancel the season, buy out Pitino and start over again next year. I’m sure he will find another Iona type to hire him for next year.
All those glowing predictions of success without seeing any of the players individually for any meaningful length of time, never mind seeing how they meshed as a team, all down the drain two games into the season.
 
not going to be an easy game. North texas won the NIT tournament last year

Lost their top 3 scorers from that team as well as 6 and 7. Have an Oklahoma transfer and a last year's #4 and 5 leading the team.
 
If we beat NT without us all requiring CPR by the end I will admit that I was overly pessimistic about the current state of development of our team and celebrate the win! If its a nail biter or we lose I'll know my sense of where our team is at this point is pretty accurate and we'll just have to wait and be realistic as they turn into a team, hopefully one good enough to play a bit in March. Then I'll get to go though the whole thing again the next day for Dayton or LSU. (I do believe we can beat LSU btw) :rolleyes:
 
Your critique today has been generally right on the money. This is false.
They were 31-7 and won the NIT. Michigan lost in the first round of the NIT. 5’11 PG Tylor Perry is averaging 21 5 and 5 for Kansas State through 3 games. Their old center is starting for Xavier. Their 4th leading scorer from last year is averaging 22 ppg this year.

I think they win, but understandable if you don’t agree. I take Perry over McDaniel and I take the now Xavier big man over Reed.

I think we matchup well with this year’s North Texas team FWIW.
 
The team, after practicing either in Taffner or Carnesecca for the last almost 6 months exclusively, really needs this trip to get away.
We used to look forward to our first road trip, getting away from campus life. Charter plane, great hotels with better beds, catered buffet meals 3x a day. Excitement of traveling to a new city, hopefully Rick does a city bus tour for the players for educational reasons. Practice in a new environment, possibly meeting former teammates on other teams in tourney, all go into road trip life in these tourneys. Team bonding with new roommates, film time and study hall with our academic support staff will fill out their day!
Hope those that are going enjoy the trip and the games this week…I will be watching from Chattanooga before I head to Tuscaloosa for the Mocs vs Alabama football game Saturday. I will be meeting up with former Alabama wide receiver (84) and St. John’s former football assistant coach Bill Getchell pregame.
My stomach hurts just seeing that name and remembering all the gassers he made us run at the end of practice😂
 
The team, after practicing either in Taffner or Carnesecca for the last almost 6 months exclusively, really needs this trip to get away.
We used to look forward to our first road trip, getting away from campus life. Charter plane, great hotels with better beds, catered buffet meals 3x a day. Excitement of traveling to a new city, hopefully Rick does a city bus tour for the players for educational reasons. Practice in a new environment, possibly meeting former teammates on other teams in tourney, all go into road trip life in these tourneys. Team bonding with new roommates, film time and study hall with our academic support staff will fill out their day!
Hope those that are going enjoy the trip and the games this week…I will be watching from Chattanooga before I head to Tuscaloosa for the Mocs vs Alabama football game Saturday. I will be meeting up with former Alabama wide receiver (84) and St. John’s former football assistant coach Bill Getchell pregame.
I love this message and your insights.

Charleston is rich in history, and much of it not good. The exquisite homes south of Broad were built mostly by wealthy plantation owners who enjoyed a city mansion in addition to their main plantation house. Nowhere else in the United States is the wealth generated by slave labor more evident. The Slave Market museum is an important historic site that reminds us that that (I believe) 95% of African slaves arrived through the Port of Charleston. I felt a somber sadness - the same I felt on the deck of the USS Arizona - but one also infused with anger that we are a nation whose success was built on the backs of human atrocity. It's easy to overlook this in one of the most unique and beautiful U.S. cities but it's there. Important.

Your reminder that Rick will likely do some touring with the team reminded me in my brief experience with Rick is that he is really concerned about how well our kids do in life. Early on, at multiple events, i cringed when Father Shanley would reoeatedly insist that Rick will make his players better people. Already there is considerable evidence of this.

At the kickoff dinner, Rick in what was part brutal honesty, part public challenge stated "right now not a single one of them can play defense, not a single one has a high motor." I was seated with Chris Ledlum (an awesome young man I wish we'd have here for 4 years) and as Pitino said this he had his head down and was smiling. I took that smile as a mature smile of a 5th year player who gets all the screaming and toughness in practice of a coach hellbent on improving each kid individually and also molding them as a team. Unlike last year's team these kids get it. It's why they are here. It's why the very best players in Indiana, all hs players actually, aspired to play in the shrine of Indiana basketball in Bloomington to play for a coach who would demand they do it his way to improve and win. The similarities are striking.

Back to badketball. As fans, we've experienced more must win games throughout seasons than perhaps all other programs. Continually in the hole digging out. Already feels like that after 2 games of the Pitino era. Overly dramatic, no? Well definitely yes, but msybe definitely no. Lol. Damaged fans.

So North Texas. Big game. Big weekend. To me, success means getting to finals, but that bubble could burst after Thursday. The uncertainly makes each game anticipation worth the price of a ticket.

We are witnessing Sju history in front of us. Happy to be along for the ride. Happy to have made so many friends here and look forward to seeing so many of you, some like Dink haven't seen in ten years. Dink called me at my office a couple of times. My assustant wanted to know who the caller was with that deep southern voice. I want to learn how his then 12 year old boy is turning out. Good stuff. The real value of being a fan of this program. More good men and women than i ever would have guessed.

Even the ones i violently disagree with here. All good men. Well, maybe. Lol.
 
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So wait, I’m confused? After one bad game against a very good and underrated Michigan team, posters here have gone from thinking that a pre season ranking oi 25 isn’t high enough and visions of facing and possibly beating Houston in the finals of Charleston to now wondering if we can beat a depleted mid major whose top player averaged 7 points a game last year? Did I miss something? Is Norm Roberts still the coach? Have some faith people, please.
 
So wait, I’m confused? After one bad game against a very good and underrated Michigan team, posters here have gone from thinking that a pre season ranking oi 25 isn’t high enough and visions of facing and possibly beating Houston in the finals of Charleston to now wondering if we can beat a depleted mid major whose top player averaged 7 points a game last year? Did I miss something? Is Norm Roberts still the coach? Have some faith people, please.
Two thoughts on the state of our fans and where faith gets you when you drink the Kool-aid.

Thursdays game depends the type of Pace we play with.

All in fun. :
 

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So wait, I’m confused? After one bad game against a very good and underrated Michigan team, posters here have gone from thinking that a pre season ranking oi 25 isn’t high enough and visions of facing and possibly beating Houston in the finals of Charleston to now wondering if we can beat a depleted mid major whose top player averaged 7 points a game last year? Did I miss something? Is Norm Roberts still the coach? Have some faith people, please.
If this site was a globe we’d have a bunch of North Polers a bunch of South Polers and several flat earth believers. Heck I rotate between the 3 during and after games
 
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