Butler 2nd time

This team is so bad, and in such bad shape going forward, it's just really not worth spending any time obsessing over it. The whole program needs a complete makeover form the AD down.
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This clearly your disappointment getting the better of you.
We lost to a better team on the road. We would have beat them at home if Sheed didn't have the maturity of a sixth grader. The are the #15 ranked team in the RPI, they beat UNC on a neutral court....they are better than us.
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We are 3-6, and in 8th place in the Big East. At some point, you are what your record says you are, and at the half way point in the conference, this is a bad team that is incapable of consistently playing at a high level.
 
Harrison: Best scorer in the big east, a senior, has been rendered completely useless by constantly getting clobbered and run over. He straight up can't move. Never would have happened to a Duke or Cuse player. Boeheim would have been reaming refs and opposing coach over it.
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This is idiotic.
You can't blame Lavin for Harrison's injury. He plays to contact, drawing fouls is a huge part of Dlo's game. And he has a calf strain, not broken bones from a hard foul.

I can't believe I'm in the position of defending Lavin. I feel sick
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As for the term "idiotic", I sent a report to the moderator. It's insulting and I hope it won't be tolerated.

As for the content, I never said it was Lavin's fault exclusively. We have had awful officiating all year. The worst I've ever seen, and I follow the team for 25 years.

Every trip down the floor is a case study in selective enforcement. A set of rules for them and another for us. Partly due to Lavin and partly due to the surly demeanor of some of our players, but still not acceptable. The rules should be the rules. Period.

So sick of watching Harrison get clobbered. He was leading the big east in scoring only a few weeks ago! Now he can't even take a shot.
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First off, look up the term; "senselessly foolish, or stupid". How does thst not apply?
And I specifically referred to your remark, not you as a person Brian.
So I think you're overreacting a bit.

But regardless (and ignoring the profanity you originally posted), I think you're seeing things through red tinged glasses. Harrison gets plenty of calls. There is no mass conspiracy that allows defenses to beat up dangelo.
And you strongly implied that a better coach would have imposed his will on the officials therefore preventing Harrison's injury.
I unapologetically think that line of argument is senselessly foolish. I'm sure you're a fine person, but how Harrison is treated, and whether Lavin is at all to blame for his injury, is just something were going to have to agree to disagree about.
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Mike Vacc of Post;
@MikeVacc: This is as horrific a performance as St. John's has had in quite a while. Disgraceful. Lavin has to answer for this. #sjubb
 
We had no rhythm or energy to start. Offense was disjointed. No one looked like they wanted it aside from Jordan and Dom. Obekpa play was just disappointing on so many levels. He's got a Jekyll and Hyde syndrome. Butler has a nice squad. Smart players that know their role and don't beat themselves. Very disciplined on defense. They have 2 guys that will make you pay every time from 3 if you lose them. Wish them luck in the future. As for us, really hard to see us putting anything meaningful together. Hope I'm wrong...
 
This could have been another turning point for the SJU program. Here is my Doomsday prediction:
Obekpa's not coming back. If he doesn't get drafted - which is a strong possibility with his lack of offense - he'll just go to Europe or China for a year or two, earn a couple of million per year , then try for a shot in the league.
Jordan certainly not returning ...who knows what he does..not NBA ready, so could transfer or do same thing as Obekpa, just to help support his family.
You'll lose Balamou or Jones (or both) to transfer to mid-majors, because they just will get recruited over.

You can forget about Diallo.
Sampson or Doughty - probably the former - will decommit.
Whoever is the coach next year - even if it's Lavin - will have to raid the JUCO circuit just to put a team on the floor, and this will send the program into another 10 year spiral ala Post-Jarvis.
The women's program might make a Final Four before the Men's program makes another tournament.
Can we hire Tartamella?
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Prefer to think we win the next three (Creighton, DePaul and at X) and get back to .500

Chalk today up to a bad day at the office. CO certainly did not help matters and might be looking at a suspension. A win at Butler was always unlikely, we need to forget it quickly and take some revenge out on the Bluejays.
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And if CO gets suspended, then what?

It's kind of time to just stop thinking this team is anything more than we saw tonight.
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We are a much better team than we saw tonight. Sure, Butler took us to the woodshed but its not like we were favorites. Regroup, refocus and win the next one. This is the same bunch that beat Providence 2x, Syracuse, ran Duke and Gonzaga close. Even if CO is suspended, we should be able to beat Creighton at home. That will get us off the slide. Tonight was one loss. Still a lot of ball to play. I am not defending Lavin, or CO or D'Lo, but not willing to throw them under the bus or throw in the towel either. There is still fight left in this team.
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Much better? Don't you see the trend here?

We lose against teams that shoot the 3 pointer well.
We stay competitive with teams that don't.

Playing teams close doesn't account for anything.

We want to run, jump, dunk and highlight our way to the NCAA tourney and it's not going to work.

What was the scouting report on Butler that was so difficult to follow?
 
For the most part, as has been all season, the effort is there. The pieces just aren't. Just look at the stats: 16.7% from 3, 37% from the field, 62% from the free throw line. Out-rebounded by 9. Only 5 assists. There are good players on this team. Just not enough of them, and missing what so many successful coaches seem to find: guys who can shoot from 3. The coach is responsible for putting together a product that can win consistently at this level. Especially when you are paid close to several million a year.
 
C. Obekpa -was an embarrassment tonight. It was thuggish, dumb and damaging to the team.

D. Harrison -this guy is still hurt. Check one of your DVR'd games from earlier this season. Remember the monster rebounding? He is now a shell of himself. My guess is his shoulder injury is more than we know.

R. Jones -He got Butler off to the good start (before CO's ejection). The guy is a match-up nightmare. We needed to take him away.

K. Barlow -How do we get players like this at St. John's?

C. Jones -I want him to be good, but....an antonym for the word intensity is Christian Jones.

Amar -There is something there, but he needs A LOT of work

Butler -I am jealous. I don't need to be Kentucky, Duke or Louisville. I just want to be like Butler.

Terrible, terrible loss.
 
C. Obekpa -was an embarrassment tonight. It was thuggish, dumb and damaging to the team.

D. Harrison -this guy is still hurt. Check one of your DVR'd games from earlier this season. Remember the monster rebounding? He is now a shell of himself. My guess is his shoulder injury is more than we know.

R. Jones -He got Butler off to the good start (before CO's ejection). The guy is a match-up nightmare. We needed to take him away.

K. Barlow -How do we get players like this at St. John's?

C. Jones -I want him to be good, but....an antonym for the word intensity is Christian Jones.

Amar -There is something there, but he needs A LOT of work

Butler -I am jealous. I don't need to be Kentucky, Duke or Louisville. I just want to be like Butler.

Terrible, terrible loss.
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You got that from his rebound and put back he had in the two minutes he got? He must have fell asleep in during halftime for lavin not to put him in during the second.
 
I'm just in shock by this game. I really really thought we would take this game easy. Another game vs Butler we are not at full strength . Play by Obekpa solidifies why he needs to stay in college. This team has a ton of talent but is a mess. So disappointing and sad to see. We are not dead yet, but our pulse is fading fast.
 
Living in LA, I never get to see weekday games live. I set my DVR and avoid any sports news or websites so I can come home and watch the entire game without knowing the result. This was the least amount of time I've spent watching a game. I fast forwarded through so much because i could see early on how awful we were tonight. Once again, the team embarrasses the school, this time it was Obekpa. A week or so ago, someone posted that one of the other Big East websites referred to us as the biggest thugs in the Big East. Sadly, they were right.
 
This was a total embarrassment. I like to say Obekpa has brains and common sense but we know better. How can someone run down an open court and intentionally throw an elbow, especially since the ref was standing there. Did he think about the consequences? Probably but you know what I don't think he really cared. Shows he is a real team player.
Thought our defense was horrible. It's obvious we expect Obekpa to bail us out. Too many easy points in the paint. I rather see Jones in there then Joey boy.
We missed too many put backs. Let's face it our only offense is having Obekpa set a pick between half court and the top of the key. And it never works because the defense switches, .leaving Obekpa open outside.
Even when we cut the lead to seven I had no confidence. Mainly because Butler was scoring at ease.
All we can do at this point is hope for a miracle such as beating G'Ttown, Xavier, Seton Hall and Nova. Now that would be a big miracle.
 
Hey, if we lose the rest of our games we have a great shot at the lottery pick, right?
 
This was a total embarrassment. I like to say Obekpa has brains and common sense but we know better. How can someone run down an open court and intentionally throw an elbow, especially since the ref was standing there. Did he think about the consequences? Probably but you know what I don't think he really cared. Shows he is a real team player.
Thought our defense was horrible. It's obvious we expect Obekpa to bail us out. Too many easy points in the paint. I rather see Jones in there then Joey boy.
We missed too many put backs. Let's face it our only offense is having Obekpa set a pick between half court and the top of the key. And it never works because the defense switches, .leaving Obekpa open outside.
Even when we cut the lead to seven I had no confidence. Mainly because Butler was scoring at ease.
All we can do at this point is hope for a miracle such as beating G'Ttown, Xavier, Seton Hall and Nova. Now that would be a big miracle.
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This to me is the key to our struggles. We literally have no offensive half court plays. We play the game like a highschool team, all we do is pick for the ball handler! We don't even roll! It's INSANE that we don't run ANY offensive plays in the half court. I just don't understand what Lavin is thinking.
 
This team is so bad, and in such bad shape going forward, it's just really not worth spending any time obsessing over it. The whole program needs a complete makeover form the AD down.
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This clearly your disappointment getting the better of you.
We lost to a better team on the road. We would have beat them at home if Sheed didn't have the maturity of a sixth grader. The are the #15 ranked team in the RPI, they beat UNC on a neutral court....they are better than us.
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We are 3-6, and in 8th place in the Big East. At some point, you are what your record says you are, and at the half way point in the conference, this is a bad team that is incapable of consistently playing at a high level.
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We'll be 5-6 in two games. I'd rather be that ;)
 
@SJUCoachLavin: Their cohesive and sound approach was not a surprise to us. They had a sustained effort and executed for the entire game. #SJUBB

@SJUCoachLavin: We were disappointed with our lack of poise and composure in a tough environment against a quality team. #SJUBB
 
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