Butler 2nd time
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Ray Morgan
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All I saw of ADR is a video on Youtube of one of his high school games. Looked like a skilled guy that moved in slo mo and was way out of shape. Not college version of Charles Barkley out of shape, but more like Adrian Adonis out of shape. It just seems like that issue, if unaddressed, will render him ineffective at the high pace games of division 1 college basketball.
redfan0025987ii
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Aka coached better
"an embarrassment to St. John’s storied past."
"Putrid play was only part of St. John’s worst performance of the season"
http://nypost.com/2015/02/03/st-johns-crushed-by-butler-to-waste-harrison-milestone/
"Putrid play was only part of St. John’s worst performance of the season"
http://nypost.com/2015/02/03/st-johns-crushed-by-butler-to-waste-harrison-milestone/
beast of the east
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Sometimes in sports an opponent does something to you that is so cheap, so dirty, so obviously intended to hurt you, that an action like Obekpa's could be justified on a certain level. Back in the day, if I got cheap shotted, I'd make sure I'd find the guy, and deliver a well placed elbow to the lowest rib, which if delivered with enough force, and in the fray of the rebound tangle, was a punishing blow that was also almost undetectable by refs.
I rewinded multiple times, and other than some banging and a shove here and there, Etherington didn't appear to do any one thing that warranted the elbow to the head. We all have short memories, but I can't remember a dirtier hit delivered by a St. John's player. It would have been classy for Lavin to approach Ehterington to see if he was okay and to apologize for the action.
We then proceeded to play our worst game of the year. Incredibly it was still an 8 point game midway through the second half, with plenty of opportunities for a good team to reverse course and pull it out. Instead, we went from bad to worse.
Pointer's technical after a 3 shot foul putting Dunham on the line was about as poorly timed as possible. 5 free throws - game over. Harrison's 5th foul was pure frustration - a shove to the back.
As our guys showed none of the poise or class of a senior laden team, Butler to their credit, maintained their poise and didn't sink to our level.
I don't know what Lavin said to CO privately, but over the years at lower levels, I've seen some coaches rightfully throw one of his own kids out of the gym for delivering a blow like that. When you saw the smirk on Obekpa's face afterwards, he seemed pleased with the outcome of the elbow and self-satisfied. Crazy.
How a team described by many here as one of their all time favorites could for an evening behave and play in a manner that would make them one of the least favorite of the past couple of decades is mind-boggling.
Butler for their part, appeared to take every lapse, every SJU mistake, and turn it into easy baskets. If everything about our effort wasn't so disgusting, you'd almost appreciate them.
The ONLY thing you can do is forget a game like this and move forward, but on some teams, players could expect a few hellacious practices and reaming by the coaching staff for playing so poorly and disjointed. It was if a bunch of street kids put on college uniforms and proceeded to stink up the joint, embarrassing themselves on all accounts.
I rewinded multiple times, and other than some banging and a shove here and there, Etherington didn't appear to do any one thing that warranted the elbow to the head. We all have short memories, but I can't remember a dirtier hit delivered by a St. John's player. It would have been classy for Lavin to approach Ehterington to see if he was okay and to apologize for the action.
We then proceeded to play our worst game of the year. Incredibly it was still an 8 point game midway through the second half, with plenty of opportunities for a good team to reverse course and pull it out. Instead, we went from bad to worse.
Pointer's technical after a 3 shot foul putting Dunham on the line was about as poorly timed as possible. 5 free throws - game over. Harrison's 5th foul was pure frustration - a shove to the back.
As our guys showed none of the poise or class of a senior laden team, Butler to their credit, maintained their poise and didn't sink to our level.
I don't know what Lavin said to CO privately, but over the years at lower levels, I've seen some coaches rightfully throw one of his own kids out of the gym for delivering a blow like that. When you saw the smirk on Obekpa's face afterwards, he seemed pleased with the outcome of the elbow and self-satisfied. Crazy.
How a team described by many here as one of their all time favorites could for an evening behave and play in a manner that would make them one of the least favorite of the past couple of decades is mind-boggling.
Butler for their part, appeared to take every lapse, every SJU mistake, and turn it into easy baskets. If everything about our effort wasn't so disgusting, you'd almost appreciate them.
The ONLY thing you can do is forget a game like this and move forward, but on some teams, players could expect a few hellacious practices and reaming by the coaching staff for playing so poorly and disjointed. It was if a bunch of street kids put on college uniforms and proceeded to stink up the joint, embarrassing themselves on all accounts.
THANKYOU,BEAST OF THE EAST .Have been a fan for over 50 years .Never seen anything like what C.O. did by a ST. John's player, as much it hurts me for a any loss the next day, I WOULD RATHER HAVE C.O OFF THE TEAM ,AN EMBARRASMENT TO MY SCHOOL, AND A RISK TO PERMANTLY INJURING OPPOSING PLAYERS
tom in salem
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Another ugly St. John's performance in terms of both play and (lack of) composure and poise.
We haven't won two in a row since LBSU and Tulane. We haven't had two consecutive quality wins all season. With the exception of 18 days last February, we haven't put together two straight good games in two seasons. There's no way to sustain momentum - a basic necessity to success during a college basketball season - if you can't get it started in the first place. The inability to string anything positive together is crippling and has been our downfall.
We haven't been able to string together wins against quality teams because most teams in this conference are better than us. Plain and simple. How many teams in the Big East would Phil Greene start, play 34 MPG, and be second on team in FG attempts for? How many teams would Branch be material part of rotation for? Like these guys, but your personnel is your personnel. We have four guys that are no-doubt impact players at this level. That's not a recipe for wins.
5 assists in a game where we had 4-5 guards on the court at all times just jumps off the page at you. Telling on so many levels.
Will save broader staff conversation for that thread, but continued 101 failures, which just amazes me with all of the experience over there. When you're down 20 early in the second half, you press in desperation to try to turn the game helter skelter and claw back in. Agreed. But when you get it down to 63-55 with 8 to play, mission accomplished! You're back in the game, no need to play desperately. You might rattle a Butler for 10 minutes, but tough to do so for 20 between fatigue and their adjustments is low percentage. You go back to playing steady or at least mixing it up with the press. We kept it on full boar and, predictably, playing that way actually made it easier on Buterl as the fouls and layups/dunks mounted as we tired and Butler stretched it right back out.
We haven't won two in a row since LBSU and Tulane. We haven't had two consecutive quality wins all season. With the exception of 18 days last February, we haven't put together two straight good games in two seasons. There's no way to sustain momentum - a basic necessity to success during a college basketball season - if you can't get it started in the first place. The inability to string anything positive together is crippling and has been our downfall.
We haven't been able to string together wins against quality teams because most teams in this conference are better than us. Plain and simple. How many teams in the Big East would Phil Greene start, play 34 MPG, and be second on team in FG attempts for? How many teams would Branch be material part of rotation for? Like these guys, but your personnel is your personnel. We have four guys that are no-doubt impact players at this level. That's not a recipe for wins.
5 assists in a game where we had 4-5 guards on the court at all times just jumps off the page at you. Telling on so many levels.
Will save broader staff conversation for that thread, but continued 101 failures, which just amazes me with all of the experience over there. When you're down 20 early in the second half, you press in desperation to try to turn the game helter skelter and claw back in. Agreed. But when you get it down to 63-55 with 8 to play, mission accomplished! You're back in the game, no need to play desperately. You might rattle a Butler for 10 minutes, but tough to do so for 20 between fatigue and their adjustments is low percentage. You go back to playing steady or at least mixing it up with the press. We kept it on full boar and, predictably, playing that way actually made it easier on Buterl as the fouls and layups/dunks mounted as we tired and Butler stretched it right back out.
I'm at loss for words. If "taking the bullet" is costing your team any chance of winning a crucial game, I am just at a loss for words
beast of the east
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I clearly saw two of them. One was a hard body bang under the Butler basket, all body, but hard clean hit. Ref could have called something, but wasn't clearly a foul. The others appeared to be pushoffs with his arms to clear space for himself. Also could have called fouls, but nothing approaching or warranting the type of hit Obekpa delivered.