Bubble Watch

dk423 said:
I can't be outraged about STJ not making it but Michigan State was 3-9. Dayton has NO WINS over at-large teams in the NCAA. FAU has one, Arizona, which is equal to ours. This basis just doesn't hold up.
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Dayton beat us. Their NET was 23, ours was 32.
 
Redenbacher said:
Dayton beat us. Their NET was 23, ours was 32.
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But again, it doesn't seem like the committee cares about NET.

I don't want to argue about the merits of STJ getting in. You can have plausible arguments for why we shouldn't be in. Frankly, I probably would even agree with them -- I don't like metrics determining things.

The point is, as Logan/lawmanfan/others have said, the committee uses metrics + records only when it's to make an argument. None of it is consistent.
 
dk423 said:
But again, it doesn't seem like the committee cares about NET.

I don't want to argue about the merits of STJ getting in. You can have plausible arguments for why we shouldn't be in. Frankly, I probably would even agree with them -- I don't like metrics determining things.

The point is, as Logan/lawmanfan/others have said, the committee uses metrics + records only when it's to make an argument. None of it is consistent.
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No argument there.
 
Mike Zaun Returns said:
The most shocking part is that we were never even that close. Even if we beat UConn but lost Big East Championship, we would be closer but still out. It wasn’t even bid stealers…we weren’t getting in. Period. I’m not conspiratorial, but seems like this was a hit job on Big East.
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The fact we weren’t close compared to a team like Virginia is just a straight up joke. If you wanna tell me the committee looked at us and Virginia, and left us out… fine.

But for us to be 6-7+ spots potentially away from Virginia… how? It makes no sense
 
I was bored and procrastinating last night and came up with a pretty simple formula.

Aside from autobids, if you only chose teams with an overall winning percentage of .600 or more, a better than .500 conference record, and a NET of 68 or lower, it created a field of 69 teams if my dead of night math was correct. The last two teams based on NET cutoff were Seton Hall and San Francisco. Seton Hall would get the nod from the eye test.

Formula would have gotten us in, and the NCAA their Mountain West darlings and Virginia.

Michigan State would have been out.
 
L J S A said:
I was bored and procrastinating last night and came up with a pretty simple formula.

Aside from autobids, if you only chose teams with an overall winning percentage of .600 or more, a better than .500 conference record, and a NET of 68 or lower, it created a field of 69 teams if my dead of night math was correct. The last two teams based on NET cutoff were Seton Hall and San Francisco. Seton Hall would get the nod from the eye test.

Formula would have gotten us in, and the NCAA their Mountain West darlings and Virginia.

Michigan State would have been out.
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Bracket would’ve been literally perfect if you just pluck Michigan state and Virginia out and replace them with St. John’s and seton hall.

But the committee blew it
 
Johnnies317 said:
I would have loved for us to dance but to play devils advocate we had a few things going against us. We were 2-8 against the top 4 in our conference, we had only one notable non conference win (utah that melted in a bad conference) and DePaul and Gtown being atrocious killed the big east. I think our metrics and the eye test should have made us closer to to the cut line but we need to win more quality games next year and I think we will.
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This is all true, but I believe the reason people are so upset is the at large teams that did get in have a less impressive resume than ours.
 
Whats pissing me off today: The argument for Virginia over St. John's I see online is "wins over the field".

Okay Virginia wins over the field: 6 seed Clemson, 7 seed Florida, 9 seed A&M

St Johns win over the field: 3 seed Creighton

Basically UVA was valued over us because they beat two mediocre at large squads. If Villanova and Utah ended the year hot and made it in, we get in too then? Just feels so flimsy
 
Jack Williams said:
Whats pissing me off today: The argument for Virginia over St. John's I see online is "wins over the field".

Okay Virginia wins over the field: 6 seed Clemson, 7 seed Florida, 9 seed A&M

St Johns win over the field: 3 seed Creighton

Basically UVA was valued over us because they beat two mediocre at large squads. If Villanova and Utah ended the year hot and made it in, we get in too then? Just feels so flimsy
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Agreed. And why would wins over field matter more than Quad 1 wins? The quads also take into account where the game is played. They're just making it up as they go along.
 
Jack Williams said:
Whats pissing me off today: The argument for Virginia over St. John's I see online is "wins over the field".

Okay Virginia wins over the field: 6 seed Clemson, 7 seed Florida, 9 seed A&M

St Johns win over the field: 3 seed Creighton

Basically UVA was valued over us because they beat two mediocre at large squads. If Villanova and Utah ended the year hot and made it in, we get in too then? Just feels so flimsy
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DAYTON BEAT NO AT-LARGE TEAM IN THE FIELD. HOW ARE THEY A SEVEN SEED
 
ACC, Big 12 and SEC all have deals with ESPN. If you don’t think that has nothing to do with these decisions I got a bridge to sell you. That conglomerate will do anything, literally anything, to make a buck. Just a grooming, mind bogglingly corrupt, morally bankrupt company, through-and-through.
 
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