I know, but the committee doesn't take close losses into account. We'd be a lock if the eye test was the only criteria...
We'd be a lock right now if we pulled out that Syracuse game, such a shame.
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I know, but the committee doesn't take close losses into account. We'd be a lock if the eye test was the only criteria...
We'd be a lock right now if we pulled out that Syracuse game, such a shame.
westchesterjoe
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It's just my opinion and you are not wrong in wanting NOVA again but, I just believe we match up better against Creighton and could see us winning a rubber game vs the bluejays in the GARDEN
Nova is a tougher match for us as they match us athletically in most positions and are stronger rebounders and much better 3 pt shooters. i noticed that NOVA had a very effective Mid-COURT defense that seemed to annoy and harass our players as they tried to get the ball over the time line and we turned it over a few times as a result. That defense also forced us to set up whatever free lance offense we started much further from the basket.. I was thinking Lavin might have had Sampson or Harrison come to the ball sooner and then drive to the hoop for the lay up or pull jumper. Sampson can beat Pinkston or EFFENGU(SIC) off the dribble anytime he wanted.
It didn't seem to me that we adjusted very well to that defense. Of course, late in the game we gave NOVA fits in the in bounding but, didn't convert on any of those late game turnovers. It proved cost;y..
Are you certain the committee doesn't take close losses into account? Serious question, as I don't know the answer. But I would think that all other things being equal, single-digit losses to the likes of Cuse, Nova would give us an edge over other bubble teams without a Top 25 victory and no close losses to top 10 teams.
On twitter last night, Jon Rothstein said the johnnies would have to win the big east tourney to get in. (I disagree with that, but whatever.)
Some St. John's fans questioned him through twitter saying they played cuse, Wisconsin, nova, and Creighton in close losses, and Rothstein tweeted this:
@JonRothstein: @JPPelzman close losses don't carry weight. It's about quality wins. Other bubble teams have more --- for now. #SJUBB #CBSSuperSocial
westchesterjoe
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The NCAA Selection Committees nearly every year makes some bizarre decisions in selecting at large teams. Expect to hear such phrases as "body of work," late season winning streaks, weak out of conference schedules, trending, upsets in league tournaments by regular season winners losing, etc"
All of these and more, will be the discussions among teams not selected in a few weeks.. I just hope we aren't one of them.
On a completely different note, Virginia who beat us last season in the NIT is in first place in the ACC Sometimes A good NIT performance can be a springboard to the NCAA the following year.
We are currently around where most pre season prognosticators had us. Fifth in the conference and on the bubble. Hopefully we can finish strong, take third and get in the NCAA's. From there we can start to meet the expectations of many on the board which was the sweet sixteen.
If you look at this link, you should feel more comfortable about our chances.
Our biggest concern is we're 1-5 vs the RPI top 50 (actually, it's 1-5 vs the RPI top 25).
Xavier: 1-3 vs rpi top 50, much worse strength of schedule than us, 6-6 in last 12. Games @ stj and home vs Nova and Creighton.
Georgetown: 3-4 vs rpi top 50, similar strength of schedule, but already have 11 losses, 5-7 in last 12, and still have games @ Nova, @ Marquette and vs. Creighton.
Providence: 1-4 vs rpi top 50, worse strength of schedule, also has 12 losses, 7-5 in last 12, still must play @Creighton
Marquette: 1-8 vs tpi top 50 (!!!), much worse strength of schedule, 11 losses already, 7-5 in last 12. Games remaining vs Georgetown, STJ, @ Nova, @ Providence.
So for all of those saying we need to win out and win the BE tourney, unless you think the committee is only taking 2 BE teams, I don't see how any of the other bubble teams are in better shape than us.
Like I (and a few others) have said all along.... If we're 11-7 in the conference and 22-10 overall, then we're going to the NCAA Tournament. That would put us in 3rd place in the (currently) 3rd rated conference in the country.
We're in good shape, like you stated, and would be in great shape, as long as we win out. I'd like to win the conference tournament for bragging rights and a better seed in the NCAA Tournament. But it wouldn't be a necessity for us to win the conference tourney with a 3rd place finish. One win in the Big East tournament would all but cement an invitation, and we wouldn't have to sweat it out AT ALL come 'Selection Sunday.'
Just win out, and get that one conference tournament victory for safety purpose, and we're gonna be more than fine.
LOL
That's only because some a douche or two (I have a very, good idea about the persons) doesn't care about my direct approach. Like I really care about it. That's childish.
Frankly, if I have one gripe about this board it's the karma rating. Really, it doesn't serve any purpose. It's like tits on a boar hog.... Useless.
Otherwise, Paul has done a great job with the board. Just rid it (the board) of the karma rating.
tom in salem
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What's the link that Paul posted showing what teams would help/hurt SJU?