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boo haarvey
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.
boo haarvey
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[quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?
jetstorm
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[quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???
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[quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Year long motivation factor and additional chip on the shoulder factor. Kids feel disrespected and a good coach will use that. If this team is as good as some or most of us think, it adds more fuel to the fire. If they aren’t as good, then we finish where we were picked.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Year long motivation factor and additional chip on the shoulder factor. Kids feel disrespected and a good coach will use that. If this team is as good as some or most of us think, it adds more fuel to the fire. If they aren’t as good, then we finish where we were picked.
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=400668][quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).
I think we're making way more out of this then CMA and the team are. They're gonna go out and bust their butts every single game, and would do so no matter where they were picked to finish. Something tells me they are not shocked at the pre-season rankings, and not giving it nearly as much thought as our fan base.
boo haarvey
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[quote="SJU85" post=400674][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400668][quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).[/quote]
I haven’t done an empirical study, but I feel confident in saying that teams projected to finish fifth or even sixth in the Big East historically outperform teams projected to finish ninth. So objectively speaking, I don’t think there’s much upside to being projected near the bottom of the conference. But if CMA, the staff and fan base can spin this to create some extra motivation, great. In my view, the kids and staff should be plenty motivated already.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).[/quote]
I haven’t done an empirical study, but I feel confident in saying that teams projected to finish fifth or even sixth in the Big East historically outperform teams projected to finish ninth. So objectively speaking, I don’t think there’s much upside to being projected near the bottom of the conference. But if CMA, the staff and fan base can spin this to create some extra motivation, great. In my view, the kids and staff should be plenty motivated already.
[quote="jetstorm" post=400669][quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???[/quote]
Certainly just looking at rankings of incoming class and last year's records, 9th place is a reasonable place to pick us. I look at it a bit differently and admittedly through the lens of both an optimist and SJU fan.
Out of our 12 players, 6 have never played in a SJU uniform and are unknown quantities and the other 6 have either only played last year in BE or in minimal minutes one other year and it is reasonable to expect improvement this year with continued good coaching and added confidence. My feeling is if new recruits are underrated (as I believe they are) and several of returnees take a step forward (especially Williams, Dunn & Roberts) we can finish in middle of the pack. Will be fun to see how it works out.
Out of our 12 players, 6 have never played in a SJU uniform and are unknown quantities and the other 6 have either only played last year in BE or in minimal minutes one other year and it is reasonable to expect improvement this year with continued good coaching and added confidence. My feeling is if new recruits are underrated (as I believe they are) and several of returnees take a step forward (especially Williams, Dunn & Roberts) we can finish in middle of the pack. Will be fun to see how it works out.
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=400696][quote="jetstorm" post=400669][quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???[/quote][/quote]
Respect is earned, not giving. Sju has to demand RESPECT on the court.
Stomp whoever they play on the 25th, no matter how minor the team, and the same with LaSalle. Put a hurting on BC, and war with TT for 40minutes.
Should then win the rest of the ooc with ease.
Walk into the uconn place and keep quiet even if they talk smack. Heck maybe even look nervous and have them think that they have us right where they want us. Then when the game begins we hit them hard, and get a win there.
That's how you get respect.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
Ever hear of RESPECT???[/quote][/quote]
Respect is earned, not giving. Sju has to demand RESPECT on the court.
Stomp whoever they play on the 25th, no matter how minor the team, and the same with LaSalle. Put a hurting on BC, and war with TT for 40minutes.
Should then win the rest of the ooc with ease.
Walk into the uconn place and keep quiet even if they talk smack. Heck maybe even look nervous and have them think that they have us right where they want us. Then when the game begins we hit them hard, and get a win there.
That's how you get respect.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=400698]Certainly just looking at rankings of incoming class and last year's records, 9th place is a reasonable place to pick us. I look at it a bit differently and admittedly through the lens of both an optimist and SJU fan.
Out of our 12 players, 6 have never played in a SJU uniform and are unknown quantities and the other 6 have either only played last year in BE or in minimal minutes one other year and it is reasonable to expect improvement this year with continued good coaching and added confidence. My feeling is if new recruits are underrated (as I believe they are) and several of returnees take a step forward (especially Williams, Dunn & Roberts) we can finish in middle of the pack. Will be fun to see how it works out.[/quote]
We were taking care of our home court at the end of the season. We won4 of our last 5, we were beating Creighton at the half and if that held it would have been 5 of 6 with the only loss to x by 3.
I think we were getting to Friday's game, maybe even to the b.e. championship game. We'll never know though since the season was canceled.
We could be looked at very differently if it wasn't canceled. With more respect then we have now.
That right there should motivate atleast the returnees.
Out of our 12 players, 6 have never played in a SJU uniform and are unknown quantities and the other 6 have either only played last year in BE or in minimal minutes one other year and it is reasonable to expect improvement this year with continued good coaching and added confidence. My feeling is if new recruits are underrated (as I believe they are) and several of returnees take a step forward (especially Williams, Dunn & Roberts) we can finish in middle of the pack. Will be fun to see how it works out.[/quote]
We were taking care of our home court at the end of the season. We won4 of our last 5, we were beating Creighton at the half and if that held it would have been 5 of 6 with the only loss to x by 3.
I think we were getting to Friday's game, maybe even to the b.e. championship game. We'll never know though since the season was canceled.
We could be looked at very differently if it wasn't canceled. With more respect then we have now.
That right there should motivate atleast the returnees.
. That being said I think we will finish higher well at least I hope we do
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=400690][quote="SJU85" post=400674][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400668][quote="kred" post=400652][quote="Boo Harvey" post=400650][quote="JohnnyFan" post=400648]If I am CMA, I love being picked 9th. Let people sleep on us. There's no trophies for preseason rankings.[/quote]
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).[/quote]
I haven’t done an empirical study, but I feel confident in saying that teams projected to finish fifth or even sixth in the Big East historically outperform teams projected to finish ninth. So objectively speaking, I don’t think there’s much upside to being projected near the bottom of the conference. But if CMA, the staff and fan base can spin this to create some extra motivation, great. In my view, the kids and staff should be plenty motivated already.[/quote]
Sorry no spin here at all, I leave that to the politicians and apologists. Empirical data is just that but the funny thing is there are always cases where the opposite happens other than what the data shows . These exceptions due occur like losing four games in a row in a series that you were up three games to none or a 16th seed in the NCAAA Tourny upsets a No. 1 seed (after 33 years iit finally happened in 2018) . Rarely happens, but can and teams in the bad position have the hope, expectation, that they will be the exception.
Do I love being picked ninth, no, nor did I say that. I can’t however argue with where we were picked based on where we finished last year, what we lost, what we returned and picked up, it’s a reasonable choice.
In today’s generation any perceived slight can be a motivating factor and gives coaches more ammunition to use when pumping up their team. Being picked two slots from the bottom is a motivating factor that any good coach can use, especially if he and the team feel slighted and have the ability to do something about it on the court. Anderson is no dummy and is a good coach so he will use it as I don’t think he or his team really believe they don’t have the ability to finish higher. That’s what I am saying.
Not sure how CMA feels, but as a general matter, I’d prefer being picked first over being picked 9th.[/quote]
Why ? Picked means nothing.[/quote]
So you don’t think there is any correlation between where a team is picked and where they finish? Historically, do you think that teams picked last have performed better than teams picked first?[/quote]
Some prefer being the hunter at the beginning than the hunted.
We are talking about this year and this team had no shot being picked in the top 4 let alone 1st. So realistically he was looking at maybe a five. After another year of recruiting, different story with expectations (hopefully).[/quote]
I haven’t done an empirical study, but I feel confident in saying that teams projected to finish fifth or even sixth in the Big East historically outperform teams projected to finish ninth. So objectively speaking, I don’t think there’s much upside to being projected near the bottom of the conference. But if CMA, the staff and fan base can spin this to create some extra motivation, great. In my view, the kids and staff should be plenty motivated already.[/quote]
Sorry no spin here at all, I leave that to the politicians and apologists. Empirical data is just that but the funny thing is there are always cases where the opposite happens other than what the data shows . These exceptions due occur like losing four games in a row in a series that you were up three games to none or a 16th seed in the NCAAA Tourny upsets a No. 1 seed (after 33 years iit finally happened in 2018) . Rarely happens, but can and teams in the bad position have the hope, expectation, that they will be the exception.
Do I love being picked ninth, no, nor did I say that. I can’t however argue with where we were picked based on where we finished last year, what we lost, what we returned and picked up, it’s a reasonable choice.
In today’s generation any perceived slight can be a motivating factor and gives coaches more ammunition to use when pumping up their team. Being picked two slots from the bottom is a motivating factor that any good coach can use, especially if he and the team feel slighted and have the ability to do something about it on the court. Anderson is no dummy and is a good coach so he will use it as I don’t think he or his team really believe they don’t have the ability to finish higher. That’s what I am saying.
You can see why BE coaches ranked us low. We got intoxicated beating GT in big BE T comeback and the “half win” v Creighton. Perhaps the other coaches are more focused on SJU winning five BE regular season games with one road win. I think they could be a middle of pack team, but also can see possibility of 7th or 8th place. This is a bear of a conference.
Let’s see how well this team can come together incorporating new pieces and ignore the noise. We really have not done enough yet to warrant much in these prognostications IMO.
Let’s see how well this team can come together incorporating new pieces and ignore the noise. We really have not done enough yet to warrant much in these prognostications IMO.
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