I feel the same way which is why we need to draw them and beat them to exorcise some demons
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To nitpick, I feel like the Mets metaphor is more like:
- UCONN is the Braves -- undeniably better, games are still close but really frustrating.
- Seton Hall is the Phillies -- local rival, talent is close to equal most years but they are somehow almost always grittier than us, fan base drives us nuts.
It looks like there is a scenario where Marquette could be the 4 seed and SJU the 5 seed. Is that preferable to SH as the 4? If we need a win to get in (I don’t think we should), then a quad 1 win over Marquette moves that needle much more than a Q2 win over seton hall. On the flip side, a q1 loss to Marquette probably doesn’t hurt whereas a SH loss could knock us out. Also, Marquette may be without Kolek.
When you get your Big East tickets can you let me know where you are sitting. If we beat Georgetown and DePaul if necessary I plan to attend the quarterfinals next Thursday. I may have to go by myself particularly if we play in the afternoon so would good to sit near some posters.
Was looking at prices. Actually the night session might be better for me as UCONN fans are blowing up the prices for the early session.
Was looking at prices. Actually the night session might be better for me as UCONN fans are blowing up the prices for the early session.
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Mets vs Braves, Mets vs. Marlins, Mets vs. Phillies, Mets vs Cards, Meys vs. Giants....... shall i continue?
The thing with Seton Hall is that outside of Kadary Richmond you look at that team and you're like, "meh." I love Wusu, but he isn't a guy you have to game plan for. Bediako, he's a body. The wings are OK, but it isn't as though they scare you. There's no bench. EXCEPT, they are just going to play harder and tougher and with more desire than you are, they are going to play together, and the whole is way more than the sum of the parts.
I think we have more talent than they do but our tendency to try to be a one-man team does not match up well against them. If we continue our ball-sharing ways, we can beat them - but it won't be easy because it is just never going to be easy against a Holloway team. The guy is like a baby Kelvin Sampson.
I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer a matchup with Marquette minus Kolek or with a limited Kolek, despite how tough they hung with UConn last night.
Anyway we don't get a choice and we gotta play someone and possibly beat them (definitely will have to beat someone for seeding purposes). So it will be what it will be, for now hopefully the team doesn't overlook Georgetown.
I think we have more talent than they do but our tendency to try to be a one-man team does not match up well against them. If we continue our ball-sharing ways, we can beat them - but it won't be easy because it is just never going to be easy against a Holloway team. The guy is like a baby Kelvin Sampson.
I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer a matchup with Marquette minus Kolek or with a limited Kolek, despite how tough they hung with UConn last night.
Anyway we don't get a choice and we gotta play someone and possibly beat them (definitely will have to beat someone for seeding purposes). So it will be what it will be, for now hopefully the team doesn't overlook Georgetown.
Dre Davis is pretty formidable wing. Would put him above any wing we have currently...
Mullins Revenge
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Its been well documented that the team that wins the 1st 2 games in the season wins the 3rd game the majority of the time.Yeah, re playing SH, the often referenced theory that is hard to go 3-0 against a team gives me pause. We tend to be trail blazers& Holloway has his kids running through walls.
As you noted, it may be a case of picking your poison and we are playing much better however. Love these BE battles and our Tourney is electric unlike most other conferences.
The theory that it is difficult to beat a team 3 times in a season is false.
Mullins Revenge
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Since the 1970 NFL Merger, there have been 21 instances where a team swept a team in the regular season and then had a third battle in the playoffs. The sweeping team has gone 14-7 in those games
According to STATS LLC., there have been 981 similar matchups across Division I college basketball over the past 10 seasons. The teams entering the third game 2-0 are a combined 710-271 (.724 winning percentage) in the third meeting.
According to STATS LLC., there have been 981 similar matchups across Division I college basketball over the past 10 seasons. The teams entering the third game 2-0 are a combined 710-271 (.724 winning percentage) in the third meeting.
Davis deserves most improved player IMO.
He has had an impressive year for the Hall.
Johnnies317
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One handicapper analyzed the concept a year or two back that it is tough to beat a team a third time. I wish I had the data but remember it being in fact false and that the team that won twice won more often in the third matchup. That being said if we get Seton Hall a week from today I think we buck that trend and hand them an L
Mullins Revenge
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I have no doubt we will beat Seton Hall. But I believe it will be because we are a much better team now then when we played them previously. Not becasue they beat us twice so they cant do it a 3rd time.
The thing about the third matchup is that there are no more surprises - everyone knows what's coming so the only factors are (1) who's better; (2) who executes better; and (3) who wants it more.
In SJU v SHU my thinking is that the probabilities favor SJU on #1 and SHU on #3 and it comes down to #2. We have certainly executed better recently, will need that to continue.
In SJU v SHU my thinking is that the probabilities favor SJU on #1 and SHU on #3 and it comes down to #2. We have certainly executed better recently, will need that to continue.
I'm sure this is true, but I am also confident that the context of the team A beating team B twice due to a clear talent discrepancy is also much greater than any discrepancy between STJ/SHU.
Helpful chart below, but here's what it looks like I think:
(I know chart was posted earlier, but figured it would be helpful to parse it a bit)
- If we win and Nova win: SJU is a 5 seed playing seton hall
- If we win and Nova loses:
- And Uconn wins: SJU is 5 Seed
- If X wins: We play Marquette
- If X loses: We play Seton Hall
- And PC wins: SJU is 6 seed
- And Uconn wins: SJU is 5 Seed
(I know chart was posted earlier, but figured it would be helpful to parse it a bit)
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MugCostanza
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Yeah, the only problem is that analysis featured teams like Gonzaga who would play Portland, San Diego and Pacific twice in the regular season and then one or two of them a 3rd time in the conference tourney. When they adjusted for team strength they found that there's really to evidence to support a claim in either direction.
redfan9999998
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Anyone know if/when the Bridge tickets are going on sale for Thursday/Friday sessions? I see only Wednesday online and trying to get tickets in those sections? anyone at st.johns ticket office that might be able to help?
I would bet on the Pitino factor in a third matchup also. Pitino over Holloway , that’s what I’m banking on. Rick has two game tapes on them against us now. I have to believe he devises a winning strategy and the team being that they are playing better will be able to carry that plan out for forty minutes.
SJUWillRockNYC
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NOT THIS TIME.
we finally learned how to play a full 40 minutes.
PAYBACK IS A REAL MOFO'ER. I WANT TO EMBARRASS THEM, HUMILIATE THEM.