(@Bar) California, Mon. Nov. 19, 7pm, ESPN-2 / 970 WNYM

[quote="Ray Morgan" post=303364][quote="sjc88" post=303363]Anyone else watching on TV hear Seth Greenberg take a shot at our non-conference schedule? I can't say I disagree but you can see how we will "framed" the rest of the season. Makes it even more important to not only win these games but how we look doing it.
Long way to go but this will be the "narrative" come tourney selection time.[/quote]

Not if we come up huge in conference play.[/quote]
The Big East as a whole already has some terrible losses. (Furman, St. Louis, LMU amongst others) We might have to come up REALLY huge.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=303353]I don't know how anyone can feel good about this win. This is a young and overmatched Cal team that flew across the country and if it wasn't for the Shamorie show late we are a loser. Not enough intensity on defense and too much standing around on offense waiting for someone to attack the basket. I guess a win is a win but if we plan on playing like this we will under achieve all season. Oh well, I am going to the game tomorrow night and I hope we give a better showing.[/quote] I feel good about this win, because it looked like we were going to loose. Could have played better. But a W is better than a L.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=303347][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303339][quote="ron s m" post=303333]Trimble has a reputation of being a good 3 point shooter. Seems like he misses whenever I watch him![/quote]
Trimble shot low 30s last year, which isn't very good. However, a lot of optimists on the board.[/quote]

Defense is killing this team. And not our interior defense but on the perimeter. Kid defends and plays hard. He took and missed two shots. I am fine with Trimble.[/quote]

I might have to go back and read more of your posts. I don’t know you as well as I thought. Never thought you’d take the guy who scored 0 and played ok defense over the guy who scored 7 and played bad d.

To me Trimble is the bare minimum for a college player. Anything worse would be not deserving of minutes. As it is right now the best thing I can say is he’s not hurting us. My guess is willians gets a few minutes tomorrow or maybe somewhere else soon, plays well, and starts to get those 10-12 minutes a game.
 
Positive to come out of this is we are being forced to win close games early. If we would have run roughshod over OOC games like we should have it wouldn't have prepared us at all for when games got close. Learning from mistakes hopefully while still getting W's.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303372][quote="we are sju" post=303347][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303339][quote="ron s m" post=303333]Trimble has a reputation of being a good 3 point shooter. Seems like he misses whenever I watch him![/quote]
Trimble shot low 30s last year, which isn't very good. However, a lot of optimists on the board.[/quote]

Defense is killing this team. And not our interior defense but on the perimeter. Kid defends and plays hard. He took and missed two shots. I am fine with Trimble.[/quote]

I might have to go back and read more of your posts. I don’t know you as well as I thought. Never thought you’d take the guy who scored 0 and played ok defense over the guy who scored 7 and played bad d.

To me Trimble is the bare minimum for a college player. Anything worse would be not deserving of minutes. As it is right now the best thing I can say is he’s not hurting us. My guess is willians gets a few minutes tomorrow or maybe somewhere else soon, plays well, and starts to get those 10-12 minutes a game.[/quote]

No. Usually ST John's teams struggle to score but play hard. And don't mean to keep killing Dixon but on bad defensive team he stands out. And seems to either be effort or lack of basketball IQ. Which is why I am fine with Trimble. If we were scoring 50 than Trimble would be a problem.
 
Im no expert, but really get the impression these guys are still trying to find themselves as a team and fitting into new roles. This is especially true for Clark and Simon who last year had much bigger roles. Now Figgy and Heron are here and they command the ball. Same with Dixon.

Another thing about Clark is who knows how comfortable he feels playing center.

Defensive pressure definitely needs to be up but I feel like we did have our hands up, Cal made some tough shots. Still too many open shots though.

Very poor atmosphere for a game tonight at Barclay's. Don't know if anyone who was there agreed. Not just the size of the crowd, but most of the food stands were closed. Made it feel even more like a ghost town.

I have expect a win tomorrow.
 
We were lethargic in the 2nd half on D and mechanical on offense—before Ponds took over.
Agree that we have to lengthen the bench and get Roberts and Williams some spot PT.
Lucky win, but this won’t play well against better competition or in the BEC.
Hope Mullin drives that home.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=303374][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303372][quote="we are sju" post=303347][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303339][quote="ron s m" post=303333]Trimble has a reputation of being a good 3 point shooter. Seems like he misses whenever I watch him![/quote]
Trimble shot low 30s last year, which isn't very good. However, a lot of optimists on the board.[/quote]

Defense is killing this team. And not our interior defense but on the perimeter. Kid defends and plays hard. He took and missed two shots. I am fine with Trimble.[/quote]

I might have to go back and read more of your posts. I don’t know you as well as I thought. Never thought you’d take the guy who scored 0 and played ok defense over the guy who scored 7 and played bad d.

To me Trimble is the bare minimum for a college player. Anything worse would be not deserving of minutes. As it is right now the best thing I can say is he’s not hurting us. My guess is willians gets a few minutes tomorrow or maybe somewhere else soon, plays well, and starts to get those 10-12 minutes a game.[/quote]

No. Usually ST John's teams struggle to score but play hard. And don't mean to keep killing Dixon but on bad defensive team he stands out. And seems to either be effort or lack of basketball IQ. Which is why I am fine with Trimble. If we were scoring 50 than Trimble would be a problem.[/quote]

Trimble reminds me of a norm player. Dixon reminds me of a leavin player.
 
It's college basketball; enjoy it and don't worry. I recall when StJ got beat by Niagara at the Falls and beati Fordham by only one; I don't recall a single "blowout" that season, 1985, when we went to the final four. Maybe it won't happen like it this year but the feeling of confidence that we can come back, even when were down 7, is the same as it was 32 years ago. It is good never to be out of it.The difference now is that these kids are more exciting to watch but the '85 team was much tougher on defence. Chris should teach these guys the "Bush" (ambush). It never failed for Louie.
 
[quote="oldfan61" post=303382]It's college basketball; enjoy it and don't worry. I recall when StJ got beat by Niagara at the Falls and beati Fordham by only one; I don't recall a single "blowout" that season, 1985, when we went to the final four. Maybe it won't happen like it this year but the feeling of confidence that we can come back, even when were down 7, is the same as it was 32 years ago. It is good never to be out of it.The difference now is that these kids are more exciting to watch but the '85 team was much tougher on defence. Chris should teach these guys the "Bush" (ambush). It never failed for Louie.[/quote]

Just because you can't "recall" any blowouts in '84'-85 doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303381][quote="we are sju" post=303374][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303372][quote="we are sju" post=303347][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303339][quote="ron s m" post=303333]Trimble has a reputation of being a good 3 point shooter. Seems like he misses whenever I watch him![/quote]
Trimble shot low 30s last year, which isn't very good. However, a lot of optimists on the board.[/quote]

Defense is killing this team. And not our interior defense but on the perimeter. Kid defends and plays hard. He took and missed two shots. I am fine with Trimble.[/quote]

I might have to go back and read more of your posts. I don’t know you as well as I thought. Never thought you’d take the guy who scored 0 and played ok defense over the guy who scored 7 and played bad d.

To me Trimble is the bare minimum for a college player. Anything worse would be not deserving of minutes. As it is right now the best thing I can say is he’s not hurting us. My guess is willians gets a few minutes tomorrow or maybe somewhere else soon, plays well, and starts to get those 10-12 minutes a game.[/quote]

No. Usually ST John's teams struggle to score but play hard. And don't mean to keep killing Dixon but on bad defensive team he stands out. And seems to either be effort or lack of basketball IQ. Which is why I am fine with Trimble. If we were scoring 50 than Trimble would be a problem.[/quote]

Trimble reminds me of a norm player. Dixon reminds me of a leavin player.[/quote]

Yes and 6 Trimble's would be a disaster. With this team he makes sense. Unless Dixon decides to play harder than wont need Trimble.
 
Dixon is not hopeless. Got to say he is very quick going to the hoop, and has an OK shot. But I am a big time advocate if you don't defend, it's time to have a seat on the bench. He attempted a few ill advised drives tonight and in other games. There are very few guards who at 6'1" can drive among the trees and hit an array of shots with either hand like Ponds can. Others try, but it's not as easy as Ponds makes it look.
 
After tomorrow nights game we really should have some opportunities to see some of the younger players like Roberts get some burn out there. Quite a few true cupcakes around the corner
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303381][quote="we are sju" post=303374][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=303372][quote="we are sju" post=303347][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303339][quote="ron s m" post=303333]Trimble has a reputation of being a good 3 point shooter. Seems like he misses whenever I watch him![/quote]
Trimble shot low 30s last year, which isn't very good. However, a lot of optimists on the board.[/quote]

Defense is killing this team. And not our interior defense but on the perimeter. Kid defends and plays hard. He took and missed two shots. I am fine with Trimble.[/quote]

I might have to go back and read more of your posts. I don’t know you as well as I thought. Never thought you’d take the guy who scored 0 and played ok defense over the guy who scored 7 and played bad d.

To me Trimble is the bare minimum for a college player. Anything worse would be not deserving of minutes. As it is right now the best thing I can say is he’s not hurting us. My guess is willians gets a few minutes tomorrow or maybe somewhere else soon, plays well, and starts to get those 10-12 minutes a game.[/quote]

No. Usually ST John's teams struggle to score but play hard. And don't mean to keep killing Dixon but on bad defensive team he stands out. And seems to either be effort or lack of basketball IQ. Which is why I am fine with Trimble. If we were scoring 50 than Trimble would be a problem.[/quote]

Trimble reminds me of a norm player. Dixon reminds me of a leavin player.[/quote]

Figueroa reminds me of a Mahoney player. Heron reminds me of a Fraschilla player. Ponds reminds me of a Jarvis player.
Williams, Earlington and Roberts remind me of Mullin players. All three will likely be dissatisfied and transfer by their sophomore year.
Seriously though, the team was completely out of sync tonight. Clark, a 5th year player, was playing against freshmen and sophomores and had a subpar game. Played with flat feet and shot 2-11. That put a player like Figueroa off kilter. Figgy took only 5 shots. Heron 10 shots. Sixth man Trimble provides no offensive spark whatsoever. Dixon plays matador defense. Fixing that scenario is the staff's job.There should be no need for hero ball with Heron, Figgy and Ponds. Clark and Simon needs to assimilate better.
 
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Trimble...ughh... supposed to be a sharpshooter, but is most definitely not. Defensively...he couldn't keep his shadow in front of him with the sun behind him. He is just too slow. Just my opinion.
 
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