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As for lack of playing time, for Williams and Roberts, it's clear that Mullin values offense over defense. Mullin wants shooters on the floor. and ball handlers and playmakers. Small sample for Williams, but shooting the ball may not be his thing at this point. Roberts, as a big, doesn't fit the game plan. I'm just going with what I have seen from the staff.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=303458]As for lack of playing time, for Williams and Roberts, it's clear that Mullin values offense over defense. Mullin wants shooters on the floor. and ball handlers and playmakers. Small sample for Williams, but shooting the ball may not be his thing at this point. Roberts, as a big, doesn't fit the game plan. I'm just going with what I have seen from the staff.[/quote]

Roberts is far from a big though. He’s big on our team but that’s about it. He’s a springy PF. He runs like a gazelle on the court and is an excellent athlete. He can certainly offer some time playing defense, boarding and blocking shots. Simply put, Clark needs help and I can’t see Roberts being a huge crutch for us out there. He needs to be used at points.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=303459][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303458]As for lack of playing time, for Williams and Roberts, it's clear that Mullin values offense over defense. Mullin wants shooters on the floor. and ball handlers and playmakers. Small sample for Williams, but shooting the ball may not be his thing at this point. Roberts, as a big, doesn't fit the game plan. I'm just going with what I have seen from the staff.[/quote]

Roberts is far from a big though. He’s big on our team but that’s about it. He’s a springy PF. He runs like a gazelle on the court and is an excellent athlete. He can certainly offer some time playing defense, boarding and blocking shots. Simply put, Clark needs help and I can’t see Roberts being a huge crutch for us out there. He needs to be used at points.[/quote]

Everyone agrees, except the coach. He has stated why, although the choice of words wasn't so great.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=303457][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=303351][quote="Mean Gene" post=303342]I think Trimble we find his shot. He did last year.[/quote]
You thought we would lose tonight, so do we write off Trimble?[/quote]

Not at all. I think Trimble will find his shot. he hustles and plays defense.[/quote]

You're joking, right? Please go back and watch the game again if you are serious. He is too short to guard the 3 or the 4 and any time he switched to the 1 or the 2 they could go by him at will because he is too slow.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=303460][quote="MCNPA" post=303459][quote="Ray Morgan" post=303458]As for lack of playing time, for Williams and Roberts, it's clear that Mullin values offense over defense. Mullin wants shooters on the floor. and ball handlers and playmakers. Small sample for Williams, but shooting the ball may not be his thing at this point. Roberts, as a big, doesn't fit the game plan. I'm just going with what I have seen from the staff.[/quote]

Roberts is far from a big though. He’s big on our team but that’s about it. He’s a springy PF. He runs like a gazelle on the court and is an excellent athlete. He can certainly offer some time playing defense, boarding and blocking shots. Simply put, Clark needs help and I can’t see Roberts being a huge crutch for us out there. He needs to be used at points.[/quote]

Everyone agrees, except the coach. He has stated why, although the choice of words wasn't so great.[/quote]

Yeah I don’t get it because teams have been victimizing us and specifically Clark in the post. He needs a break while Keita is out and our best prepared physically is Roberts. Marvin might have not had such a bad game yesterday, if they hadn’t been isolating him so much down low and he was defending a position he struggles defending. Marvin is clearly a bigger asset for us as a stretch PF. I don’t see Mullin having much choice but to integrate Roberts a bit, but who knows.. Would be reallly nice to have both Keita and Roberts helping out down the stretch this season.
 


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Really tired of seeing Trimble criticized on this board. The kid obviously worked his behind off this summer to get in shape and clearly the staff appreciates his value on defense and not turning the ball over. Shot will come as it did last year. He had a big block and a big steal in the comeback run last night. Kid is a good teammate and a perfect seven or eighth man.
 
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[quote="sirvoo" post=303235]Ponds needs to take over[/quote]

You posted this with about 8 minutes left when were down 7. Good call. Thank god he did
 
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Really tired of seeing Trimble criticized on this board. The kid obviously worked his behind off this summer to get in shape and clearly the staff appreciates his value on defense and not turning the ball over. Shot will come as it did last year. He had a big block and a big steal in the comeback run last night. Kid is a good teammate and a perfect seven or eighth man.[/quote]

Yes very odd. Like bullies picking on the easy target. Same happened with Amar on here. Kid might not ever make a shot. and he clearly is not the athlete that everyone else on team is. But he is playing hard and playing within himself. Kid is not that skilled but plays hard. If Keita had not gotten hurt and Dixon played harder Trimble would barely be getting any mins.
Watch the games! Watch how Trimble defends on perimeter in comparison to Ponds, Simon and Dixon.
 
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[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=303461][quote="Mean Gene" post=303457][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=303351][quote="Mean Gene" post=303342]I think Trimble we find his shot. He did last year.[/quote]
You thought we would lose tonight, so do we write off Trimble?[/quote]

Not at all. I think Trimble will find his shot. he hustles and plays defense.[/quote]

You're joking, right? Please go back and watch the game again if you are serious. He is too short to guard the 3 or the 4 and any time he switched to the 1 or the 2 they could go by him at will because he is too slow.[/quote]

That's the problem, the staff is putting him in an impossible situation. but he hustles like crazy on defense. I like his effort and that's all we can ask of him. He's being asked to guard SF's, PF's and Centers. That's impossible for him. I just think he's slow on the switches, meaning that like the others out there, they just look unsure on defense. Trimble gave us valuable minutes last season and did not look overmatched that much last year. I think he is finding his way in his new role also. I'm not ready to give up on him yet and I think he will find his shot as he did last year. He wound up shooting 30+% for the season from three last year but he missed a ton of shots early and then found his shot as the season wore on. Unfortunately, he will continually be put in this situation until Keita comes and or Roberts is given some minutes.
 
Ponds reminded me a lot last night of Bryce Cotton. I think Ponds is a bit more talented, but I remember the days when Bryce would just completely take over a game bombing 3s and never missing FTs. It's so nice to have that.

In the past we were Cal and would lose this game when an opposing player took over the game. We have that now. I'm not in the least worried about the Cal game, games like this happen, they shot almost 60% from the field and we still came out on top. Illinois took Zags to the last 30 seconds. I'm excited for tonight.
 
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Really tired of seeing Trimble criticized on this board. The kid obviously worked his behind off this summer to get in shape and clearly the staff appreciates his value on defense and not turning the ball over. Shot will come as it did last year. He had a big block and a big steal in the comeback run last night. Kid is a good teammate and a perfect seven or eighth man.[/quote]

Yes very odd. Like bullies picking on the easy target. Same happened with Amar on here. Kid might not ever make a shot. and he clearly is not the athlete that everyone else on team is. But he is playing hard and playing within himself. Kid is not that skilled but plays hard. If Keita had not gotten hurt and Dixon played harder Trimble would barely be getting any mins.
Watch the games! Watch how Trimble defends on perimeter in comparison to Ponds, Simon and Dixon.[/quote]

Far from bullying. If people on here would stop saying how good he is on defense I would never say anything about the young man. I have no doubt that he works hard, and hustles, but he is not a good defender at any position. It's really that simple. Stop saying he's great and I'll stop saying he's not.
 
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Really tired of seeing Trimble criticized on this board. The kid obviously worked his behind off this summer to get in shape and clearly the staff appreciates his value on defense and not turning the ball over. Shot will come as it did last year. He had a big block and a big steal in the comeback run last night. Kid is a good teammate and a perfect seven or eighth man.[/quote]

Yes very odd. Like bullies picking on the easy target. Same happened with Amar on here. Kid might not ever make a shot. and he clearly is not the athlete that everyone else on team is. But he is playing hard and playing within himself. Kid is not that skilled but plays hard. If Keita had not gotten hurt and Dixon played harder Trimble would barely be getting any mins.
Watch the games! Watch how Trimble defends on perimeter in comparison to Ponds, Simon and Dixon.[/quote]

Far from bullying. If people on here would stop saying how good he is on defense I would never say anything about the young man. I have no doubt that he works hard, and hustles, but he is not a good defender at any position. It's really that simple. Stop saying he's great and I'll stop saying he's not.[/quote]

He simply tries defensively. And despite being 6-3 or whatever when he gets caught down low he tries to hold his position. We have 3 guys that do not put in the effort. And in the case of Dixon as Paul pointed out in addition to the effort he is very small. I would like to see Roberts get some minutes. I do not get to see what goes on in practice. Until Dixon improves and or Keita comes back Trimble is going to play.
 
Not knocking Dixon, but whenever I saw him at Quinnipiac defense was not his forte. Secondly as a small, thin kid he is antithetical to long guard era. Lastly, he is not a natural point guard. Obviously he will improve, but I would not be surprised to see him as a role player for his remaining time here. Next year I suspect Mack runs point & if they land a long guard like Precious MD’s role will be complementary again. Fans tend to look at transfer’s stats from a conference like the MAAC & assume the player over time can replicate past numbers. I would not assume that.
 
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Really tired of seeing Trimble criticized on this board. The kid obviously worked his behind off this summer to get in shape and clearly the staff appreciates his value on defense and not turning the ball over. Shot will come as it did last year. He had a big block and a big steal in the comeback run last night. Kid is a good teammate and a perfect seven or eighth man.[/quote]

Yes very odd. Like bullies picking on the easy target. Same happened with Amar on here. Kid might not ever make a shot. and he clearly is not the athlete that everyone else on team is. But he is playing hard and playing within himself. Kid is not that skilled but plays hard. If Keita had not gotten hurt and Dixon played harder Trimble would barely be getting any mins.
Watch the games! Watch how Trimble defends on perimeter in comparison to Ponds, Simon and Dixon.[/quote]

Far from bullying. If people on here would stop saying how good he is on defense I would never say anything about the young man. I have no doubt that he works hard, and hustles, but he is not a good defender at any position. It's really that simple. Stop saying he's great and I'll stop saying he's not.[/quote]

He simply tries defensively. And despite being 6-3 or whatever when he gets caught down low he tries to hold his position. We have 3 guys that do not put in the effort. And in the case of Dixon as Paul pointed out in addition to the effort he is very small. I would like to see Roberts get some minutes. I do not get to see what goes on in practice. Until Dixon improves and or Keita comes back Trimble is going to play.[/quote]

I respect your opinion, and I hope you can respect mine, however, we will simply have to agree to disagree on Trimble at this time.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=303480]Not knocking Dixon, but whenever I saw him at Quinnipiac defense was not his forte. Secondly as a small, thin kid he is antithetical to long guard era. Lastly, he is not a natural point guard. Obviously he will improve, but I would not be surprised to see him as a role player for his remaining time here. Next year I suspect Mack runs point & if they land a long guard like Precious MD’s role will be complementary again. Fans tend to look at transfer’s stats from a conference like the MAAC & assume the player over time can replicate past numbers. I would not assume that.[/quote]

I believe that’s an affliction known as “Alpa Bangura syndrome”.
 
All I thought after last night's game was "whew!". Since this team is still learning to develop a culture of winning, these "cardiac kids" victories don't bother me as much as some, so long as they win and continue to adapt to each of these styles of play. Ponds really does grab the big moment, he's such an exciting player you hope that the others don't stand and watch him as the fans do, considering a team like Duke will double him with lottery picks. But that's a problem for another day. I'm also not going to bash Trimble, but he is in dire need of confidence on offense. I'm not sure that the few minutes I saw Roberts against Rutgers are enough for me to join the argument about his playing time, but it does seem to me that we could've use those 5 fouls (aka "Keitas") on their big men last night instead of letting them get easy baskets around the rim.
As for a fun aspect on TV, I thoroughly enjoyed Fran giving Jay Williams crap about not coming to St. John's, wanting no part of Erick Barkley, and not having high enough SAT scores to enroll at St. John's instead of Duke. Fun stuff in a telecast that had a much more sincere NYC/Brooklyn feel than ESPN (and Fox to be honest) typically produces. Cool to see Dr. J in attendance to see his son as well. Anyway, lets not let VCU start like they did last night and lets play a little better defense than we (along with the Rams and Chiefs) did last night.
 
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Speaking of Fran, did I misconstrue his remark about transfers being a good way to go because they were already, in his words "bought and paid for". maybe I missed something, but sounds like he said what i have always believed, which is that the level of corruption to get big time recruits was, and still is, out of control.
 
I could see your take on Fran's comments but I took it differently

Thought he meant more along the lines of the transfers not being so green to college in general, a higher level of play & expectations.... along with working out the early kinks a freshman might have.
 
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I thought he made that wisecrack for that purpose and it clearly made Bob uncomfortable in his response. I personally enjoy the lack of pretense in his color commentary.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=303496]I could see your take on Fran's comments but I took it differently

Thought he meant more along the lines of the transfers not being so green to college in general, a higher level of play & expectations.... along with working out the early kinks a freshman might have.[/quote]

The definition I see of bought and paid for is" corrupted by money from special interests: bribed" I think he, as a former coach, meant exactly that.
 
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