(Baha Mar Hoops) #13 Baylor, Thu., Nov. 21, 7p, CBSSN

Redmen88 said:
I’m not sure Richmond fits with this team. It seems everyone is flying around and he is running in quicksand. Maybe that will change after they get a few games under their belt.
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That's why he fits. I've never seen a St. John's player set his teammates up as well as he did last night. He had whatever he wanted in the lane against a top 15 team too. We blew some perfect looks created by him. Some awful three wide open three pointers.

I thought he was great last night.
 
Jack Williams said:
I don’t think anyone is reveling.

But the difference between this and that UConn game, is right now, it is November. Brutal loss last night but there’s no saying it will define our season. Maybe it will. But we don’t know yet.

I feel like there’s this constant push and pull on this site between fans who approach sports differently. I feel like you have a very hard nosed approach where if we lose, there’s no other takeaway other than the fact that we lost and losing sucks. And that’s fair.

But I contend that it’s fair as well for fans to see how we played and take a glass half full approach. Despite the loss and how much it hurt, and despite the fact that there are several things the team can work on, this team has a lot going for it. And there is time and opportunity to move on from this and make it a great year. And I think it will be.
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My take is there is losing and there is losing, you get beat, fine it happens and I have acknowledged such many times. But when it is other than that I point it out and that play Pitino called out of bounds IMO was ridiculous and what set me off. IMO, 49:54 minutes into a stressful game screams to apply the KISS thought process. You have by far the quickest player on the court in Smith and Scott who certainly has shown is unafraid of the moment. Run something simple to get both as an option on a relatively open court, not what he ran,which I only would have expected lt of a rookie coach.
All can dissgree.
 
MJDinkins said:
Fair points. I stated, right before Zuby's free throws, that I would take our players off the line. I would've placed them near half court and had them immediately ready defensively.
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Could go either way on that one, but Luis just getting a hand on the rebound would have won the game had the clock not started egregiously late
 
Marillac2 said:
That's why he fits. I've never seen a St. John's player set his teammates up as well as he did last night. He had whatever he wanted in the lane against a top 15 team too. We blew some perfect looks created by him. Some awful three wide open three pointers.

I thought he was great last night.
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He had several airballs. Missed a bunch of layups. Missed a bunch of free throws. Threw some ugly passes, albeit a few good ones. Got cramps and moved like a 35 year old man. A game against a fast team like Baylor might warrant less minutes in the future. I would expect him to look like a world beater against plodding UVA.
 
I believe that this loss will be viewed positively by the average college basketball fan who doesn't follow everything St. John's. They will see a 1 point double overtime game on a neutral court against a Baylor program that makes the NCAA tournament just about every year in the last 10 plus years and was in the Final Four in 2021.

I will say that is today. We do need to win the next two games and hope Baylor has a good season. Let's see what we do tonight.
 
logen said:
My take is there is losing and there is losing, you get beat, fine it happens and I have acknowledged such many times. But when it is other than that I point it out and that play Pitino called out of bounds IMO was ridiculous and what set me off. IMO, 49:54 minutes into a stressful game screams to apply the KISS thought process. You have by far the quickest player on the court in Smith and Scott who certainly has shown is unafraid of the moment. Run something simple to get both as an option on a relatively open court, not what he ran,which I only would have expected lt of a rookie coach.
All can dissgree.
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I hear you on that. Not a great showing from Rick last night at all
 
Beasts of the East said:
Baylor defended the inbound well. When a team presses the safety valve is your big man coming up from near mid court. His job is to immediately dump it back to the inbounder who is usually your best ball handler and who steps i. Quickly with defending usually ignoring him. Baylor was well schooled to immediately foul zuby so that wouldnt happen.

Zuby was the last option for a clean entry pass. If baylor hadn't sealed off our ball handlers it wouldnt have been thrown to him. No question it was a tough spot for a 65% ft shooter who had his first big pressure moment.

The mere fact that Zuby was on the line was not his fault at all. In fact up to that moment it was a good play by him to use his speed to spring free and allow a clean entry pass instead of a bad pass to one of the guards.

Usually the morning after is easier for fans
This one will probably take 2 days for the sick feeling to go away for many of us.
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The only way it goes away Beast is if we win the next two games. Then this game , even though it was a loss , it becomes a positive. If we don’t win the next two then this game becomes a negative probably when selection time comes.
 
smalley said:
As we saw last year, close losses to good teams count for nothing on selection Sunday
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Especially with blowing an 18pnt lead.

Don't know how anyone can not be bothered by last night's game, I only went to sleep around 6:30, now I'm dead.

I want so bad to be great again. Up 18 I'm saying we got this, hope we beat Tennessee tomorrow, Rick won't allow them to screw this game up.
If they didn't blow that, it doesn't go to ot, and we win. Hours later though? They lose.😡

I really wish I didn't care so much.
 
logen said:
Thread eerily giving me flashbacks to the UConn loss in the BE tourney last year. Many posters reveling in the fact that we played a good team tough.
No, we played a game we should have won, but managed to find multiple ways to yet again lose. But it’s OK, it was the refs fault. Everyone reveled in bringing Pitino in to WIN these games, we have the talent to do it, we did last year too, hopefully it eventually happens.
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We have a 5 million dollar Hall of Fame coach and a 3 million dollar NIL roster. There are no more excuses, no more moral victories, there are only wins and loses. The time for all that other BS is over. The only thing that matters now are results.
 
Redenbacher said:
Pitino's not even in the top 20 of the highest paid coaches. Of course, his situation is unique and because of that, we got him at a bargain basement price. But's it's not like the school opened up the vault to pay Pitino.
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Really ? He’s being paid the highest amount of $$$ than any other Coach in our history . Plus , we are also in Court with the former Coach that potentially has millions in settlement dollars involved . To me , that’s opening up the vault of a school that was notorious for being frugal for 100 years ..
As I said , Pitino was brought in at Premium salary to get our BB program to a contending BE Championship level and regular NCAA bids . Not to finish 5 th in the BE and watch the Tournament from our living rooms , At least for those fans that would relish the chance to see us in a NCAA game in person .

I didn’t see Pitino’s presser but , he should have admitted his responsibility in the last seconds . He bears as much responsibility
 
Rocket said:
If so, Brady won't play for at least a couple of weeks. God works in mysterious ways because a reluctant Pitino will now be forced to play both Glover and Prey more, both of whom should have been in the game at the end of the second overtime.

Pitino left an exhausted Zuby in the game which a rookie coach wouldn't do and both Smith and Wilcher were out of position on defense. At the very least, foul someone to avoid the three.

I feel really bad for Zuby who played his heart.

As someone said we could find 100 reasons....Luis grabbing the rebound, Smith not being 6 feet from Roach, etc., but Pitino now has to play players who need to be integrated better like Prey and Glover.

I give players like Zuby, Luis and Scott an A and Wilcher a B+. Richmond gets a C+ and Smith a B. Pitino gets a B for blowing his substitutions and clock management.
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I wish you were one of my professors at St.John's wrt grading my exams. I respectfully disagree with your grades for Wilcher and Pitino. Wilcher had a lousy game. In 27 minutes, he only had 6 points (the only starter not in double figures), 1 assist, no rebounds, 4 turnovers and 4 personal fouls. At the end, Pitino had the wrong players in the game at the wrong time. He should have had all ball handlers in the game and players with a reasonable chance of making at least one foul shot. Finally, he let the Baylor coach take control and outsmart him at key times during the game.

In my opinion, Both Wilcher and Pitino don't deserve grades higher than a C-.
 
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