Attendance

One observation about the attendance and our team.

I went to the Florida Gulf Coast game last week and the first half of the game you could hear a pin drop, not a single person was into it, for a while i felt like i was the only one cheering for our team, towards the end of the first half some of the crowd finally started getting into it and what do you know we started playing better and tied the game (see where im going with this)

our players perform better when the crowd is behind them, the crow is such a large part of the team and the game people don't even realize that sitting there with a blank stare on their face showing now emotion and being completely silent is hurting us.

further more who goes to a game to be silent and look like the are having the most miserable time in the world?? stay home for that, the game is supposed to be emotional and exciting for fans as well. you can yell at the tv at home but when your at the game you are worried about what the people around you are doing and what they think of you?

I would also like to point out that alcohol sales at carnessecca arena would help this issue. enough with this puritan dry campus bs, bring the ratskeller back to campus.
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No doubt alcohol sales would help! I've been to my share of games both this year and last year and something I've noticed this year at CA is that students seem to be almost embarrassed to cheer. There are a few students who will try to start "DE-FENSE" or "Let's go Johnnies" chants, but often only 1 or 2 more people will join in then it dies from there. After seeing that no one joined the cheer, no one else wants to start one because they think they will sound like an idiot chanting all alone. The atmosphere should be one where no one is embarrassed or ashamed to cheer for SJ. Many people support the team, but are not vocal about it thus the dull atmosphere. I was actually embarrassed that Lavin did not receive a larger applause when he came back at Midnight Madness. I stood up with a few other guys cheering loudly to show some respect hoping others would do the same, but they remained seated and not clapping. There are many fairweather fans who like to go to games just to have something to do but aren't really invested, then there are the diehards like on here and Jungle who go the extra mile to support the team whether that be buying season tickets, making trips to SC, and truly follow every step of the team.
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The school shouldn't have to sell alcohol in order to attract fans. There are plenty of dry campuses that draw a full house game after game. The problem is that the students who go to St. John's don't care about the basketball program. Anybody who was at the FGC game could see there wasn't even a student section.
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I'm not saying sell alcohol to attract fans, im saying to wake them up
 
1) Our fans travel-just not to St. John's games.
2)Isn't there a rule of no alcoholic beverages being sold at on campus games?
3) Just a suggestion but the Providence game has an 8pm start and unless there is an overnight stay will be returning at about 4am-G'town game is 4pm would return about 8pm-sounds like better situation and G'town should be a better opponent, game, and rival.
4) Moose (and don't take this personally-who woke you up(just a phrase my buds use) I've been saying our fan base sucks for a long time and even though I go to almost every home game (season ticket holder since 72-73) some away games and have traveled to tourneys in Providence, Puerto Rico, Charleston, I will include myself in my statement that our fan base sucks as I could do more and hopefully to avoid the blowback from those that will take umbrage with my opinion.
 
1) Our fans travel-just not to St. John's games.
2)Isn't there a rule of no alcoholic beverages being sold at on campus games?
3) Just a suggestion but the Providence game has an 8pm start and unless there is an overnight stay will be returning at about 4am-G'town game is 4pm would return about 8pm-sounds like better situation and G'town should be a better opponent, game, and rival.
4) Moose (and don't take this personally-who woke you up(just a phrase my buds use) I've been saying our fan base sucks for a long time and even though I go to almost every home game (season ticket holder since 72-73) some away games and have traveled to tourneys in Providence, Puerto Rico, Charleston, I will include myself in my statement that our fan base sucks as I could do more and hopefully to avoid the blowback from those that will take umbrage with my opinion.
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2- Some schools allow alcohol to be sold on campuses now. More prevalent with campus football facilities but still its a movement in that direction.

3- Start times have a lot to do with TV. And also arena's being used for other events. I'm sure that def comes into play for our MSG games. Gtown at 11am I think there WAS a Rangers game for 7.

4- Nothing woke me up per se. While some call me a homer with Lavin I've always been very critical of admin in terms of marketing as well as our fan base or lack thereof. I've been very vocal this year and critical as well of the staff moreso for a variety of reasons.
 
I think our fanbase is growing, we are a young and up and coming team that plays a style that people like to watch.
 
1) Our fans travel-just not to St. John's games.
2)Isn't there a rule of no alcoholic beverages being sold at on campus games?
3) Just a suggestion but the Providence game has an 8pm start and unless there is an overnight stay will be returning at about 4am-G'town game is 4pm would return about 8pm-sounds like better situation and G'town should be a better opponent, game, and rival.
4) Moose (and don't take this personally-who woke you up(just a phrase my buds use) I've been saying our fan base sucks for a long time and even though I go to almost every home game (season ticket holder since 72-73) some away games and have traveled to tourneys in Providence, Puerto Rico, Charleston, I will include myself in my statement that our fan base sucks as I could do more and hopefully to avoid the blowback from those that will take umbrage with my opinion.
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2- Some schools allow alcohol to be sold on campuses now. More prevalent with campus football facilities but still its a movement in that direction.

3- Start times have a lot to do with TV. And also arena's being used for other events. I'm sure that def comes into play for our MSG games. Gtown at 11am I think there WAS a Rangers game for 7.

4- Nothing woke me up per se. While some call me a homer with Lavin I've always been very critical of admin in terms of marketing as well as our fan base or lack thereof. I've been very vocal this year and critical as well of the staff moreso for a variety of reasons.
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I completely agree with you, i am very critical of our athletic marketing team as well because school spirit is created and inherited, they are sleeping and collecting paychecks IMO. there are endless opportunities for our school and they are just not being creative nor taking advantage of the opportunities that st johns has over all other universities, differentiation is the key and they are missing the mark by alot. this is nothing new.
 
I'll say it one last time, TICKET PRICES are too much! I only went to 1 of the 2 games last week because I could not afford 20 dollar tickets for both nights. For me and my father that would be 40 plus 40 which is 80 for 2, 2 hour basketball games. I took my father to the Florida Gulf Coast Game and spent the 40 bucks and in all honesty, I don't think it was a good value. They can have a full house, lots of fan support, but it is way too expensive. St. John's was a school built on charity, now they are nothing but greedy for money. I bet all of those empty seats could have sold for 5 dollars a shot instead of 20. I predict that would have raised a lot more money and gotten more fan support in the building. Take this seriously, people do want to go to the games but are priced out of the building.
 
so you want a Ferrari but pay Hyundai price for it?

good teams need good coaches, good equipment, good facilities, etc.... I'm sure no school will have a program that looses money (reason so many schools don't have football) maybe if more people donated money, the ticket prices would be cheaper.

IMO $20 for a college basketball game is very very cheap try going to any other games to big time schools. you probably wont find anything under $50
 
1) Our fans travel-just not to St. John's games.
2)Isn't there a rule of no alcoholic beverages being sold at on campus games?
3) Just a suggestion but the Providence game has an 8pm start and unless there is an overnight stay will be returning at about 4am-G'town game is 4pm would return about 8pm-sounds like better situation and G'town should be a better opponent, game, and rival.
4) Moose (and don't take this personally-who woke you up(just a phrase my buds use) I've been saying our fan base sucks for a long time and even though I go to almost every home game (season ticket holder since 72-73) some away games and have traveled to tourneys in Providence, Puerto Rico, Charleston, I will include myself in my statement that our fan base sucks as I could do more and hopefully to avoid the blowback from those that will take umbrage with my opinion.
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2- Some schools allow alcohol to be sold on campuses now. More prevalent with campus football facilities but still its a movement in that direction.

3- Start times have a lot to do with TV. And also arena's being used for other events. I'm sure that def comes into play for our MSG games. Gtown at 11am I think there WAS a Rangers game for 7.

4- Nothing woke me up per se. While some call me a homer with Lavin I've always been very critical of admin in terms of marketing as well as our fan base or lack thereof. I've been very vocal this year and critical as well of the staff moreso for a variety of reasons.
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Moose you misunderstood my second point-was referring to the bus trip as the G'town game being a better prospect than Providence game for the time element and convenience of the fans.
 
One observation about the attendance and our team.

I went to the Florida Gulf Coast game last week and the first half of the game you could hear a pin drop, not a single person was into it, for a while i felt like i was the only one cheering for our team, towards the end of the first half some of the crowd finally started getting into it and what do you know we started playing better and tied the game (see where im going with this)

our players perform better when the crowd is behind them, the crow is such a large part of the team and the game people don't even realize that sitting there with a blank stare on their face showing now emotion and being completely silent is hurting us.

further more who goes to a game to be silent and look like the are having the most miserable time in the world?? stay home for that, the game is supposed to be emotional and exciting for fans as well. you can yell at the tv at home but when your at the game you are worried about what the people around you are doing and what they think of you?

I would also like to point out that alcohol sales at carnessecca arena would help this issue. enough with this puritan dry campus bs, bring the ratskeller back to campus.
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No doubt alcohol sales would help! I've been to my share of games both this year and last year and something I've noticed this year at CA is that students seem to be almost embarrassed to cheer. There are a few students who will try to start "DE-FENSE" or "Let's go Johnnies" chants, but often only 1 or 2 more people will join in then it dies from there. After seeing that no one joined the cheer, no one else wants to start one because they think they will sound like an idiot chanting all alone. The atmosphere should be one where no one is embarrassed or ashamed to cheer for SJ. Many people support the team, but are not vocal about it thus the dull atmosphere. I was actually embarrassed that Lavin did not receive a larger applause when he came back at Midnight Madness. I stood up with a few other guys cheering loudly to show some respect hoping others would do the same, but they remained seated and not clapping. There are many fairweather fans who like to go to games just to have something to do but aren't really invested, then there are the diehards like on here and Jungle who go the extra mile to support the team whether that be buying season tickets, making trips to SC, and truly follow every step of the team.
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I am a SJ grad and long time season ticket holder...back in the day ('70s and '80s), the atmosphere seemed more raucous (might just be my memories) at Alumni Hall...my daughter now attends Penn State and I can't believe the school spirit...no one is afraid to scream "We are...Penn State" in any situation...

Perhaps it is simply a function of our lack of success over the last 10 years...hopefully this will take a turn once we get accustomed to winning and a sense of pride envelops the program
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZRx6vtKzTk
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Tom when is the last campus game you went to?

And for every Pitt game that everyone keeps holding as the shining candle I can pick plenty of mid week clashes with Cincy that you could have convo with person on other side of arena.
 
Pause it at :34. That was two years ago, with a bunch of guys that weren't in the top 100 and weren't highly recruited. Two years ago. Everybody chill, the fans are there. And EVERY FAN BASE HAS FRONT RUNNERS. They will come out, don't worry.
 
We're going to have a lot less opportunities to have moments like the one against Pitt.

The teams the Big East is losing were usually the ones we play at MSG; Syracuse, UCONN, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Cincinnati

And we're replacing them with only two teams worthy of playing at the Garden, Temple and Memphis.


There will still be opportunities to knock off highly ranked teams at home, but not nearly as many.
 
We're going to have a lot less opportunities to have moments like the one against Pitt.

The teams the Big East is losing were usually the ones we play at MSG; Syracuse, UCONN, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Cincinnati

And we're replacing them with only two teams worthy of playing at the Garden, Temple and Memphis.


There will still be opportunities to knock off highly ranked teams at home, but not nearly as many.
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Believe we will still play Syracuse every year (@ MSG every other year). I would not be surprised if we play ND on a somewhat regular basis as well. UConn is another story.

That said, your point is well taken. Will arguably need to "beef up" our out of conference/MSG schedule if all the aforementioned bolted (Louisville, Uconn, Cincy).
 
JAMAICA, N.Y. -- "St. Johns freshman point guard Omar Cook (Brooklyn, N.Y./Christ the King) scored a game-high 25 points, connecting on six three-pointers, grabbed a team-best seven rebounds and handed out a game-high eight assists in his first game at Alumni Hall, leading the Red Storm to an 86-80 win over the California (Source) All-Stars in front of 5,438 fans on Friday night. Cook was one of four players in double figures for St. Johns and one of nine players to score."

I remember sitting in the exhibition crowd that night thinking we had the best lead guard in America. I also thought, coming off a BE Championship, we were back for the long haul.

Lav makes me feel we can make it all the way back
 
I'll say it one last time, TICKET PRICES are too much! I only went to 1 of the 2 games last week because I could not afford 20 dollar tickets for both nights. For me and my father that would be 40 plus 40 which is 80 for 2, 2 hour basketball games. I took my father to the Florida Gulf Coast Game and spent the 40 bucks and in all honesty, I don't think it was a good value. They can have a full house, lots of fan support, but it is way too expensive. St. John's was a school built on charity, now they are nothing but greedy for money. I bet all of those empty seats could have sold for 5 dollars a shot instead of 20. I predict that would have raised a lot more money and gotten more fan support in the building. Take this seriously, people do want to go to the games but are priced out of the building.
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did you check stub hub ? great deals on some tickets which can get you to more games
 
JAMAICA, N.Y. -- "St. Johns freshman point guard Omar Cook (Brooklyn, N.Y./Christ the King) scored a game-high 25 points, connecting on six three-pointers, grabbed a team-best seven rebounds and handed out a game-high eight assists in his first game at Alumni Hall, leading the Red Storm to an 86-80 win over the California (Source) All-Stars in front of 5,438 fans on Friday night. Cook was one of four players in double figures for St. Johns and one of nine players to score."

I remember sitting in the exhibition crowd that night thinking we had the best lead guard in America. I also thought, coming off a BE Championship, we were back for the long haul.

Lav makes me feel we can make it all the way back
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I remember going to the Duke/SJU game at MSG that year and Jay Williams making Omar Cook look like a junior varsity player. We got annihilated that game. And Duke alumni packed the Garden. Sickening experience that day.
 
JAMAICA, N.Y. -- "St. Johns freshman point guard Omar Cook (Brooklyn, N.Y./Christ the King) scored a game-high 25 points, connecting on six three-pointers, grabbed a team-best seven rebounds and handed out a game-high eight assists in his first game at Alumni Hall, leading the Red Storm to an 86-80 win over the California (Source) All-Stars in front of 5,438 fans on Friday night. Cook was one of four players in double figures for St. Johns and one of nine players to score."

I remember sitting in the exhibition crowd that night thinking we had the best lead guard in America. I also thought, coming off a BE Championship, we were back for the long haul.

Lav makes me feel we can make it all the way back
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I remember going to the Duke/SJU game at MSG that year and Jay Williams making Omar Cook look like a junior varsity player. We got annihilated that game. And Duke alumni packed the Garden. Sickening experience that day.
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Give any school the basketball success of Duke and you will draw crowds anywhere.
 
If you guys think attendance is bad now wait until all this conference jumping is done. MSG will be a ghost town except for UConn and Gtown games.
 
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