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Kevin Willard announcing addition of Alexis Yetna: “He is a great addition to our frontcourt; he’s physical, crafty and a ferocious rebounder. He has tremendous touch around the rim, but is also capable of shooting from the perimeter. We think he’s a perfect fit for our system."
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Paultzman post=431491 said:
Seems like alot of Big East teams are lucking into 5th years from key players and this happened in a year when we have no key player who could come back for a 5th year (sorry Dunn). I drool at the thought of someone like Justin Simon, Marvin Clark, Dom Pointer or even D'Angelo Harrison being able to come back for a 5th year if the timing worked out.
Room112 post=431531 said:
I hear Ya but Simon turned down his available 5Th year.
RM North knows this player well as I recall
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I am more in Paultz's viewpoint but I would love to know what "standard" would be acceptable for Smart (or Wojo) for that matter?
In other words what do you mean by "do something?"
And here is the bigger question, why wouldn't SJU be held to the same standard? Wojo did win a regular season BE title in an era where one school has dominated-Nova. It seems you guys are holding people to standards based on talent they can accumulate. Fine. So would you feel better if they were lousy recruiters?
Would you argue that SJU should not be held to the same standard Fordham because they can't recruit at the same level as Marquette? Then by definition you are denigrating SJU.
Paultzman post=431466
In other words what do you mean by "do something?"
And here is the bigger question, why wouldn't SJU be held to the same standard? Wojo did win a regular season BE title in an era where one school has dominated-Nova. It seems you guys are holding people to standards based on talent they can accumulate. Fine. So would you feel better if they were lousy recruiters?
Would you argue that SJU should not be held to the same standard Fordham because they can't recruit at the same level as Marquette? Then by definition you are denigrating SJU.
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I’d take that betlawmanfan post=431465 said:
Again this is not to defend Wojo or even Shaka. I think a plausible argument can be made both underachieved in their terms at Marquette and Texas. Although Texas was a 3 seed last year (that means they were one of the 12 best teams in the country) and Marquette did share in a BE regular season title (and were a 5 seed that year in the NCAA's highest seed among BE teams). I think both schools expected more and that is fine.
But essentially you are holding them to a higher standard then say Patrick Ewing of Georgetown who has done very little in 4 years and saw an embarrassing roster blow up in year 3 that may have cost others their job. Why?
Also you are holding them to a higher standard because they are able to recruit at a high level. You understand recruiting at a high level is a GOOD thing. And more importantly why shouldn't we hold SJU to that same standard? It is almost like Smart should recruit 2 star kids that way you won't hold him to that standard, no?
But essentially you are holding them to a higher standard then say Patrick Ewing of Georgetown who has done very little in 4 years and saw an embarrassing roster blow up in year 3 that may have cost others their job. Why?
Also you are holding them to a higher standard because they are able to recruit at a high level. You understand recruiting at a high level is a GOOD thing. And more importantly why shouldn't we hold SJU to that same standard? It is almost like Smart should recruit 2 star kids that way you won't hold him to that standard, no?
fordham96 post=431602 said:
Ewing’s situation is extremely unique. Both in who he is and the guy they fired to bring him in. Everyone knows that.
Your main point, every fan base wants to win and most think the best way to do that is to get the best players, which are most commonly the highly rated ones. They all want that, but conversely, I don’t think there is a fan base out there who would be unhappy with a winning team/program because the players that lead to said success were not ranked highly coming in. That’s moot at that point. Short answer, just win.
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fordham96 post=431597 said:
“Do something” - Accomplish more on the court (wins, conference championships, conference tournament championship, deep NCAA runs etc.) than your predecessor did so you won’t get fired like he did or have to leave for another job before you get the axe.
And who says St. John’s isn’t held to the same standard. I would think we want the same as above or else we wouldn’t have gone through six head coaches this decade.
Great recruiter, bad recruiter, in the end is what we want is positive, measurable results like I posted under “Do Something”.
I don't doubt Ewing is in a unique position but that does not change my point. Some posters argue he is a good coach, based on what? His record? Seriously, what? And he has recruited well at a school where expectations are high.
Another issue is Mike Anderson himself. When I brought up the fact he was "fired" from Arkansas awhile back these same "posters" jump up and say, "Yeah but that is because the Arkansas administration doesn't know what they are doing. Their expectations are too HIGH." As if to say he wasn't really fired.
Simply put why is Shaka Smart being held do a different standard than Mike Anderson. Both with good quality overall coaching records who both went to Power 6 schools with high expectations and despite not being failures both failed to ultimately achieve what both schools were looking for. Again that does not make Mike Anderson a bad coach or Smart. But it seems some get this notion "he is a good coach and therefore I need to defend EVERYTHING he does no matter the evidence" and this coach is a "bad coach and therefore I need to make up any argument that fits that narrative."
Amaseinyourface post=431607
Ewing’s situation is extremely unique. Both in who he is and the guy they fired to bring him in. Everyone knows that.
Your main point, every fan base wants to win and most think the best way to do that is to get the best players, which are most commonly the highly rated ones. They all want that, but conversely, I don’t think there is a fan base out there who would be unhappy with a winning team/program because the players that lead to said success were not ranked highly coming in. That’s moot at that point. Short answer, just win.
Another issue is Mike Anderson himself. When I brought up the fact he was "fired" from Arkansas awhile back these same "posters" jump up and say, "Yeah but that is because the Arkansas administration doesn't know what they are doing. Their expectations are too HIGH." As if to say he wasn't really fired.
Simply put why is Shaka Smart being held do a different standard than Mike Anderson. Both with good quality overall coaching records who both went to Power 6 schools with high expectations and despite not being failures both failed to ultimately achieve what both schools were looking for. Again that does not make Mike Anderson a bad coach or Smart. But it seems some get this notion "he is a good coach and therefore I need to defend EVERYTHING he does no matter the evidence" and this coach is a "bad coach and therefore I need to make up any argument that fits that narrative."
Amaseinyourface post=431607
Ewing’s situation is extremely unique. Both in who he is and the guy they fired to bring him in. Everyone knows that.
Your main point, every fan base wants to win and most think the best way to do that is to get the best players, which are most commonly the highly rated ones. They all want that, but conversely, I don’t think there is a fan base out there who would be unhappy with a winning team/program because the players that lead to said success were not ranked highly coming in. That’s moot at that point. Short answer, just win.
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Fordham, not sure the exact point you are trying to make so not even sure we disagree. Of course some schools and their hires come with different expectations.
I don't think we agree.
What I am saying is certain posters (not you) simply invent an expectation to suit a pre-determined argument they made so as not to have to admit they were wrong.
Amaseinyourface post=431610
Fordham, not sure the exact point you are trying to make so not even sure we disagree. Of course some schools and their hires come with different expectations.
What I am saying is certain posters (not you) simply invent an expectation to suit a pre-determined argument they made so as not to have to admit they were wrong.
Amaseinyourface post=431610
Fordham, not sure the exact point you are trying to make so not even sure we disagree. Of course some schools and their hires come with different expectations.
fordham96 post=431611 said:
Gotchya. Sounds kinda like a poster claiming after a slow start there’s no chance to win 10 league games and when they do they list the reasons why it’s really not that impressive
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BTW-I meant DISagree. We don't actually disagree, sorry.
Again for those who argue that Texas was justified in pushing out Smart because he "underachieved" based on their expectations now have to answer a simple question, "Was Arkansas justified in firing Mike Anderson based on their (Nolan Richardson glory days) expectations and his failure to live up to that?"
You can't have it both ways.
If you are going to argue Marquette got used goods (Smart) then SJU did as well.
Amaseinyourface post=431612
Gotchya. Sounds kinda like a poster claiming after a slow start there’s no chance to win 10 league games and when they do they list the reasons why it’s really not that impressive
Again for those who argue that Texas was justified in pushing out Smart because he "underachieved" based on their expectations now have to answer a simple question, "Was Arkansas justified in firing Mike Anderson based on their (Nolan Richardson glory days) expectations and his failure to live up to that?"
You can't have it both ways.
If you are going to argue Marquette got used goods (Smart) then SJU did as well.
Amaseinyourface post=431612
Gotchya. Sounds kinda like a poster claiming after a slow start there’s no chance to win 10 league games and when they do they list the reasons why it’s really not that impressive
As far as standards go, I certainly hold Marquette to a higher standard than St. John's at this time, because not only have they had somewhat more of a recent history of success, but by taking on a coach like Shaka Smart, they show a commitment to at least trying to maintain a level of signficance. The financial terms of Smart's contract with Marquette don't appear to have been disclosed. But he was making around $3.5 million at Texas. So if he's making anywhere near similar to that, St. John's I doubt would even be willing to spend that much on a coach that could take them to the next level.fordham96 post=431597 said:
We all remember the circus that happens every 5 years with the St. John's coaching search. I love that we have CMA, but he basically fell into our lap.
Weren't both around $2 million? That's not "around the number" of $3.5 million. It's just over 50%. Not that I think STJ needs to spend $3.5 but it just shows that the state FB schools have ridiculous money to spend on coaches, facilities, hookers and blow ++.