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Not sure there are defenders as much as posters pointing out that there are iconically successful coaches who had similar starts at other schools, VERY big difference.
You know, like Ayo can’t play, Prey can’t shoot, Dunlap can”t play D, etc., etc.
Not sure why the Villanova big man did not slide over a few feet to make it harder on Epps to drive to the basket ?
Yea, it’s kinda like when a rookie QB throws a bunch of picks and people are like “well Peyton manning did!” But then they never become Peyton manning
Probably not but I think they're too flawed in the back court to be able to handle a #1
I'd personally like e Neptune to continue at Nova because I don't think he's doing a good job and that will make it easier on us. There are enough elite coaches in the big east.
Mullins Revenge
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Wait.......Prey can shoot now?
RedmanMike
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I think Neptune is done (and my 'Nova riends all agree) - and he deserves to be after that terrible performance with the season on the line...
Of course not, but you know what, occasionally they do! So the way I see it, predicting they won’t is just a cheap way of inflating egos because obviously the numbers are overwhelmingly in your favor since there are very few Peyton Mannings. But frankly, you haven’t the faintest idea, so pushing back on people who point out you don’t know and cite WHY you don’t know, for sure is just more of the same
Fine, no problem at all, but again just an opinion, one you are certainly entitled to; my reference was to people who push back on those who point out it is just an opinion and cite examples as to why it is just that.
The names I hear mentioned most frequently include: Collins, Odom, Richard Pitino.
L J S A
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Odom could be a home run there.
Remarkable the difference for us.
Probably played more games out of Gampel, which is pretty small.
Look, no one can tell the future, but I do watch Villanova a lot, he has been there for 3 years now! I think it is more than fair to make judgements, have opinions about whether or not he can hack it at this level.
Frankly, my issue with bringing up other coaches having slow starts as a shield for Neptune, is that's a pretty flimsy case for why a coach should be given more time.
What does Neptune do that you like? Is there anything? Has he constructed the roster well, does he have a good sense of when to take timeouts, when his huddles are mic'd up, do you feel he is running a productive timeout, does his team consistently run quality sets, especially late in games when things are tight? I would answer NO to all of those questions. The only argument for Neptune I have seen on this board is that he made Fordham a .500 team in his one year there. But for the past 3 years, I look at Nova and I don't see a well coached team.
Furthermore, I think the comparisons to coaches having slow starts is especially flimsy now. In the NIL era, building a team/program is not the same task it was when Jay Wright took over Villanova. There was a lot more development of underclassmen needed, transfers couldn't play instantly, you didn't have an NIL budget, etc. Thats not to say anything is easy, it is still difficult don't get me wrong. It is just different, and with the resources Nova is privy to, fresh off of their golden age, I think Neptune needed to show more than he's shown, to get the benefit of the doubt. And I think the higher ups there agree with me based on what I have heard.
I am pulling for Nova to move off of Neptune this offseason. We are still in a very uncertain time right now for the Big East, and we could use Nova being a better asset than they have been since Wright left.
Same question I have when this was brought up three weeks ago and no one defending Neptune could answer: who is he returning next year as a building block that makes you think year four is heading in the right trajectory? What building blocks from year 1 through 3 are promising?
Because if you're mentioning other coaches who struggled early on in their tenures, typically you had guys developing and being ready. Different era or not, who is Neptune developing that you're eyeing for in year four?
Because if you're mentioning other coaches who struggled early on in their tenures, typically you had guys developing and being ready. Different era or not, who is Neptune developing that you're eyeing for in year four?