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You are extraordinary in how you are able to choose a narrative without any basis of inside knowledge in terms of why a kid transfers or whether the kid is making a mistake in transferring.
Good players transfer from coach you think is bad, "See that proves the coach is terrible..." Kid transfers from a coach you like, "What is he doing...what a dunce..."
lawmanfan post=427801
Wow on Wahab. Ewing turned him from nothing into something - he would be nuts to leave there. Nobody else is running their offense through the post the way Georgetown is.
Unless of course he already has his landing spot set at someplace like Kentucky...
Good players transfer from coach you think is bad, "See that proves the coach is terrible..." Kid transfers from a coach you like, "What is he doing...what a dunce..."
lawmanfan post=427801
Wow on Wahab. Ewing turned him from nothing into something - he would be nuts to leave there. Nobody else is running their offense through the post the way Georgetown is.
Unless of course he already has his landing spot set at someplace like Kentucky...
I wonder if he comes back home to South Carolina (he's from Conway, which is near Myrtle Beach) and goes to Clemson. I doubt it'll be the University of South Carolina (which is closer to his home than Clemson) with Frank Martin's job situation being in flux.Paultzman post=427820 said:
Between the NIT and NCAA a lot of teams are still playing. I can't even imagine what the total turnover is going to be in the sport. The question really becomes is it one free transfer or unlimited over a career. If the ultimate decision is unlimited it's over for most programs. It will be way too easy for Kentucky, Duke, etc. to just grab all the best players from all other programs. College basketball will become like college football with five (ten if you are generous) teams that rule the sport totally and everyone else playing so they have opponents to schedule. And hey, people love college football. I'm just not one of them.
Things change.
Things change.
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fordham96 post=427819 said:
Still mad that it turns out Ewing can really coach, I see. And maybe that Anderson turns out to be a good hire as well.
As for the rest, if you can't see the difference between problem children who were either kicked out of school or weren't suitable for what Ewing wanted to do, and a player who he made the centerpiece of his program and is suddenly and unexpectedly leaving when it's open season on transfers which is a gift to guys like Will Wade and Sean Miller and John Calipari - then maybe you just don't know as much as you think you do.
I suppose we will see if Wahab is better off wherever he lands, assuming he leaves Georgetown in the end. Not a lot of high-major programs are going to run things through the post the way Ewing did for him.
LOL! When did I say Ewing couldn't coach? You make up your own straw man argument then think you shoot it down. I never said Ewing could or could not coach. Also I repeatedly said after disaster last year he would be given a 2 yr reprieve. Also credited him with recruiting this year. You are the one who literally makes up your own narratives then cherry pick facts to support them while ignoring everything else that doesn't. Your the one who makes judgements without any actual basis for those judgements on things like game scores and transfers. You said the 4 game run thru the BET proved Ewing was a good coach then they got blown out in the NCAA Tourney and you said essentially obviously it was a flawed team that happen to get hot for a week. You literally contradict yourself every time.
BTW-Did you have an opinion on Ewing when his entire team collapsed last year? Were you out in front saying Gtown would make a huge mistake if they fired Ewing? If so at what point did you say that? Did James Akinjo and Mac McClung make mistakes transferring? Look forward to your responses.
lawmanfan post=427854
Still mad that it turns out Ewing can really coach, I see. And maybe that Anderson turns out to be a good hire as well.
As for the rest, if you can't see the difference between problem children who were either kicked out of school or weren't suitable for what Ewing wanted to do, and a player who he made the centerpiece of his program and is suddenly and unexpectedly leaving when it's open season on transfers which is a gift to guys like Will Wade and Sean Miller and John Calipari - then maybe you just don't know as much as you think you do.
I suppose we will see if Wahab is better off wherever he lands, assuming he leaves Georgetown in the end. Not a lot of high-major programs are going to run things through the post the way Ewing did for him.
BTW-Did you have an opinion on Ewing when his entire team collapsed last year? Were you out in front saying Gtown would make a huge mistake if they fired Ewing? If so at what point did you say that? Did James Akinjo and Mac McClung make mistakes transferring? Look forward to your responses.
lawmanfan post=427854
Still mad that it turns out Ewing can really coach, I see. And maybe that Anderson turns out to be a good hire as well.
As for the rest, if you can't see the difference between problem children who were either kicked out of school or weren't suitable for what Ewing wanted to do, and a player who he made the centerpiece of his program and is suddenly and unexpectedly leaving when it's open season on transfers which is a gift to guys like Will Wade and Sean Miller and John Calipari - then maybe you just don't know as much as you think you do.
I suppose we will see if Wahab is better off wherever he lands, assuming he leaves Georgetown in the end. Not a lot of high-major programs are going to run things through the post the way Ewing did for him.
Not sure where you perceive the inconsistency to be, but I'll try to help you understand.
1. Ewing was an unknown coaching commodity when he was hired, so there was no pre-existing opinion on his ability to coach or recruit. Same as Mullin, same as Juwan Howard, same as any other first-time coach. You can have an educated guess, and you can look at whether they surround themselves with professionals (Howard and Ewing yes, Mullin no), but then you have to see what happens.
2. Ewing's initial recruiting turned out to be problematic. He brought in some talented players, but he also brought in a fair number of problem children. It eventually blew up on him, with three of them departing involuntarily. Did Akinjo and McClung make the right decision in going places where they thought they would be better program fits? Maybe, maybe not. Kids sometimes make choices that are better for them in the short term but not in the long term. But clearly they were not happy at Georgetown - or Ewing was not happy with them - so they transferred. Bottom line there is that at that point in time, there was reason to be concerned about whether Ewing was going to be able to bring in good players with good attitudes who were a fit for what he wanted to do. And as we all know it's hard to win without players no matter how good a coach you are.
3. Despite the recruiting and management issues, it was pretty clear early on that Ewing was a very good strategist and game coach. Whether that's all him or him plus Louie Orr or whether it became more him as time went on, I don't know. But you could see that he came into every game with a solid game plan and then made good adjustments during the game to keep a team with a marginal roster competitive and to steal some wins in the process.
4. This season he had the worst roster in the Big East because of the departures. Notwithstanding that he won a half-dozen games and then managed to win 4 games in 4 days in the Big East Tournament, including wins over two NCAA tournament teams and a borderline Seton Hall team. Clearly some of it was getting hot and pieces falling into place at the right time, because nobody in their right mind could look at that roster and say "yeah, that's a 20 win team that should compete for a Big East title." Stuff happens sometimes.
5. Georgetown got waxed in the NCAA tournament by a PAC-12 team. The PAC-12 happens to be 9-1 in the tournament. Maybe it's just a better team from a better league and Georgetown wasn't able to sustain their BET magic carpet ride - certainly something that's happened many times to many teams over the years. Not sure that it says anything about Ewing's coaching ability. Again, stuff happens sometimes.
6. As for Wahab, it's difficult to see how he's going to be a more significant part of any team than he was for Georgetown, or what coach he's going to find who is going to do a better job of developing him. I guess we will see where he lands and what happens, but on its face it certainly does not seem like a great move by the kid.
7. As for Ewing, the remaining question is whether he can now bring in talented players who are not problem children. He certainly has a talented class coming in, and from what I can see it looks like he's learned from his past mistakes. If that's the case, they should be a top-tier team in the league again. I figured going into this season that even if he had a Norm-Roberts-eque disaster (which I expected given that roster) he would be safe for another year because he had that class coming in.
All transfers are not created equal, and I can't imagine that you think they are. Sometimes it's a good idea for a kid to transfer, and sometimes its a mistake. Go fight with someone else now.
1. Ewing was an unknown coaching commodity when he was hired, so there was no pre-existing opinion on his ability to coach or recruit. Same as Mullin, same as Juwan Howard, same as any other first-time coach. You can have an educated guess, and you can look at whether they surround themselves with professionals (Howard and Ewing yes, Mullin no), but then you have to see what happens.
2. Ewing's initial recruiting turned out to be problematic. He brought in some talented players, but he also brought in a fair number of problem children. It eventually blew up on him, with three of them departing involuntarily. Did Akinjo and McClung make the right decision in going places where they thought they would be better program fits? Maybe, maybe not. Kids sometimes make choices that are better for them in the short term but not in the long term. But clearly they were not happy at Georgetown - or Ewing was not happy with them - so they transferred. Bottom line there is that at that point in time, there was reason to be concerned about whether Ewing was going to be able to bring in good players with good attitudes who were a fit for what he wanted to do. And as we all know it's hard to win without players no matter how good a coach you are.
3. Despite the recruiting and management issues, it was pretty clear early on that Ewing was a very good strategist and game coach. Whether that's all him or him plus Louie Orr or whether it became more him as time went on, I don't know. But you could see that he came into every game with a solid game plan and then made good adjustments during the game to keep a team with a marginal roster competitive and to steal some wins in the process.
4. This season he had the worst roster in the Big East because of the departures. Notwithstanding that he won a half-dozen games and then managed to win 4 games in 4 days in the Big East Tournament, including wins over two NCAA tournament teams and a borderline Seton Hall team. Clearly some of it was getting hot and pieces falling into place at the right time, because nobody in their right mind could look at that roster and say "yeah, that's a 20 win team that should compete for a Big East title." Stuff happens sometimes.
5. Georgetown got waxed in the NCAA tournament by a PAC-12 team. The PAC-12 happens to be 9-1 in the tournament. Maybe it's just a better team from a better league and Georgetown wasn't able to sustain their BET magic carpet ride - certainly something that's happened many times to many teams over the years. Not sure that it says anything about Ewing's coaching ability. Again, stuff happens sometimes.
6. As for Wahab, it's difficult to see how he's going to be a more significant part of any team than he was for Georgetown, or what coach he's going to find who is going to do a better job of developing him. I guess we will see where he lands and what happens, but on its face it certainly does not seem like a great move by the kid.
7. As for Ewing, the remaining question is whether he can now bring in talented players who are not problem children. He certainly has a talented class coming in, and from what I can see it looks like he's learned from his past mistakes. If that's the case, they should be a top-tier team in the league again. I figured going into this season that even if he had a Norm-Roberts-eque disaster (which I expected given that roster) he would be safe for another year because he had that class coming in.
All transfers are not created equal, and I can't imagine that you think they are. Sometimes it's a good idea for a kid to transfer, and sometimes its a mistake. Go fight with someone else now.
Matt Norlander says Porter Moser would not have a better time to leave for a bigger job then now. And that job he says would be Marquette...
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1375179534685863936?s=19
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1375179534685863936?s=19
Butler's Aaron Thompson, Bryce Nze, Christian David, and Jair Bolden are ALL returning for the 21-22 season, per release. All four will exercise their additional year of eligibility.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1375244879933145092?s=21
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1375244879933145092?s=21
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PharmDJohnnie11
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Looks like Marquette is closing in on Shaka Smart as their next head coach per Rothstein.
PharmDJohnnie11 post=428018 said:
GREAT for the Big East.
Not sure it’s great for us or teams looking to jump Marquette.
yep it’ll definitely make it more of a task for us to make the tournament.Amaseinyourface post=428023 said:
two things about Shaka he’s gonna get good recruits and he’s gonna make the tournament. He may not win often when he gets there, but he does get there