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Jack Williams said:
Yea really can’t think of worse timing, as we just had to scratch and claw our way to a road big East win. Going back down in competition just isn’t the energy we need right now and I hope we don’t make the mistake of looking past this game cause a loss would be devastating
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and in the cozy confines of CA....this wins delivers nothing, and a close game or God-forbid a L is a disaster.
 
JohnnyFan said:
I didn't have a problem with our OOC schedule this year. Baylor, Georgia, New Mexico, Virginia, Kansas State are all decent. In hindsight, the Delaware game seems unnecessary. Certainly the timing isn't great, as we want our team to be ramping up to higher competition at this point of the season. Replacing this game with a Q1 or Q2 game might have hit the sweet spot for this year.
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Baylor,Virginia, K-State not playing as well as pre season forecasts, thus their lower ratings and our lower SOS
 
Jack Williams said:
Yea really can’t think of worse timing, as we just had to scratch and claw our way to a road big East win. Going back down in competition just isn’t the energy we need right now and I hope we don’t make the mistake of looking past this game cause a loss would be devastating
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my uneducated guess, given i have no idea what goes into scheduling/agreements etc...... look at the all the games occurring from the 20th -> New Years... you will see a good majority of High Majors playing Low Major opponents... on the 28th - Florida vs Stetson/ Oklahoma vs Prairie View....and so on...

A "good" opponent probably couldnt be scheduled at this juncture... and we didnt want to go into Creighton on a 10+ day layoff...
 
Using Torvik preseason projections & current NET
Baylor: 15/20
Virginia: 72/102
New Mexico: 55/85
Kansas St: 29/122
Georgia: 37/25

Harvard: 207/292
Delaware: 215/243
Bryant: 138/176
Fordham: 141/188
Wagner: 251/318
Quinnipiac: 239/245

We are 16/28.

K-State is clearly a killer. But we also had no choice in that game, it was a B12/BE challenge. I've said it before, but leaving our OOC games to be tournaments is foolish -- if we have an off week (e.g. UConn in Maui) or an injury, we can be playing lesser teams and have no chance to recover. Virginia isn't really playing that different from preseason expectations.

To me, the Georgia game was a "schedule loss" game that I didn't see coming. Hindsight is 20/20, but scheduling a third game in four days vs. a team who's only played one & already played on that court, was probably not smart. The Bryant game is the one to be upset about. It never made sense. That weekend had so many big games. We really should've had one more at the Garden or an away game.

Delaware is par for what you're scheduling this time of year. It's annoying, but necessary to avoid a huge layoff.
 
dk423 said:
Using Torvik preseason projections & current NET
Baylor: 15/20
Virginia: 72/102
New Mexico: 55/85
Kansas St: 29/122
Georgia: 37/25

Harvard: 207/292
Delaware: 215/243
Bryant: 138/176
Fordham: 141/188
Wagner: 251/318
Quinnipiac: 239/245

We are 16/28.

K-State is clearly a killer. But we also had no choice in that game, it was a B12/BE challenge. I've said it before, but leaving our OOC games to be tournaments is foolish -- if we have an off week (e.g. UConn in Maui) or an injury, we can be playing lesser teams and have no chance to recover. Virginia isn't really playing that different from preseason expectations.

To me, the Georgia game was a "schedule loss" game that I didn't see coming. Hindsight is 20/20, but scheduling a third game in four days vs. a team who's only played one & already played on that court, was probably not smart. The Bryant game is the one to be upset about. It never made sense. That weekend had so many big games. We really should've had one more at the Garden or an away game.

Delaware is par for what you're scheduling this time of year. It's annoying, but necessary to avoid a huge layoff.
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Damn those are some tough breaks. We are a few breaks away from it being a really good schedule. A free throw vs Baylor gets us #1 team in the country. 10/11 teams underperforming. Agree completely about the Georgia placement.

The thing about the tournament games is neither team has to give up a home game. I imagine it’s hard to get those multi year H&H agreements, and really quality teams are less likely to agree to a one off. Now I’m sure we could go on the road against a HM if we wanted to challenge ourself.
 
dk423 said:
Using Torvik preseason projections & current NET
Baylor: 15/20
Virginia: 72/102
New Mexico: 55/85
Kansas St: 29/122
Georgia: 37/25

Harvard: 207/292
Delaware: 215/243
Bryant: 138/176
Fordham: 141/188
Wagner: 251/318
Quinnipiac: 239/245

We are 16/28.

K-State is clearly a killer. But we also had no choice in that game, it was a B12/BE challenge. I've said it before, but leaving our OOC games to be tournaments is foolish -- if we have an off week (e.g. UConn in Maui) or an injury, we can be playing lesser teams and have no chance to recover. Virginia isn't really playing that different from preseason expectations.

To me, the Georgia game was a "schedule loss" game that I didn't see coming. Hindsight is 20/20, but scheduling a third game in four days vs. a team who's only played one & already played on that court, was probably not smart. The Bryant game is the one to be upset about. It never made sense. That weekend had so many big games. We really should've had one more at the Garden or an away game.

Delaware is par for what you're scheduling this time of year. It's annoying, but necessary to avoid a huge layoff.
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Well done. Thanks.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Damn those are some tough breaks. We are a few breaks away from it being a really good schedule. A free throw vs Baylor gets us #1 team in the country. 10/11 teams underperforming. Agree completely about the Georgia placement.

The thing about the tournament games is neither team has to give up a home game. I imagine it’s hard to get those multi year H&H agreements, and really quality teams are less likely to agree to a one off. Now I’m sure we could go on the road against a HM if we wanted to challenge ourself.
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Yea I really do wonder what some of the politics are behind the scenes trying to get big games scheduled. For example isn’t there something weird going on with Kentucky where they wanna do a home and home but want to push the return game in NY back a year?
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Damn those are some tough breaks. We are a few breaks away from it being a really good schedule. A free throw vs Baylor gets us #1 team in the country. 10/11 teams underperforming. Agree completely about the Georgia placement.

The thing about the tournament games is neither team has to give up a home game. I imagine it’s hard to get those multi year H&H agreements, and really quality teams are less likely to agree to a one off. Now I’m sure we could go on the road against a HM if we wanted to challenge ourself.
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I think the Garden is an advantage to getting some schools here that wouldn't be playing in NYC otherwise. I'm also perfectly fine with playing a team like Penn State at a neutral court site in Atlantic City or Mohegan Sun. Of course I'd prefer blue bloods and preseason ranked teams, but we gotta roll the dice with teams that have upside. Bryant has zero upside.

I'm also in favor of going to The Pit next year. Playing @ New Mexico will likely be a Q1 game. Let's do it!
 
dk423 said:
Hey, I only caught the second half of the Prov game. lol.

Ashworth isn't a bad player. We can certainly come out with lackluster effort, and he can light us up from three. And/or, we make silly fouls & give him easy points. I just don't see him as a guy who should be able to make a big impact if we're playing with intensity on the defensive end. He isn't a great dribbler and it'll be tough for him to create separation.
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It might be just a better idea to say that Ashworth is a good player since McDermott gives him a green light .
I thought the phrase better Athlete had gone out of common usage . But , maybe not.
Smith can jump tall buildings at a single bound but , isn’t close to averaging 17’points a game like Ashworth .
They are different players that do different things for their respective teams .
If we want to pick nits about players , how about Richmond ? Even the most ardent supporters have to be disappointed in our Million Dollar man so far .
He hasn’t delivered anywhere near what the consensus of this Board expected of him . Yet .

Will he ? No time like the present .
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
It might be just a better idea to say that Ashworth is a good player since McDermott gives him a green light .
I thought the phrase better Athlete had gone out of common usage . But , maybe not.
Smith can jump tall buildings at a single bound but , isn’t close to averaging 17’points a game like Ashworth .
They are different players that do different things for their respective teams .
If we want to pick nits about players , how about Richmond ? Even the most ardent supporters have to be disappointed in our Million Dollar man so far .
He hasn’t delivered anywhere near what the consensus of this Board expected of him . Yet .

Will he ? No time like the present .
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Who cares about points per game? That's not the only way to impact games. Smith plays much better defense, isn't depend on running around screens/a specific offense to generate shots, and is a x100 better rebounder. And for a three point guy, Ashworth didn't shoot well last year and has mixed-to-bad results against good teams.
 
dk423 said:
Height and athleticism is why we blew out Virginia the way we did. It matters a lot more in college basketball.
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Actually, we just had better basketball players that wins games and to quote SLYFOXX, athleticism? Really? You guys must be ancient. I saw what Ashworth did in the postgame handshake line and that was wicked bush. Regardless, just compare the stats that don't lie. He's better than Smith.
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tom in salem said:
Actually, we just had better basketball players that wins games and to quote SLYFOXX, athleticism? Really? You guys must be ancient. I saw what Ashworth did in the postgame handshake line and that was wicked bush. Regardless, just compare the stats that don't lie. He's better than Smith.
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Smith broke the record for triple doubles Pac-12. Do you think ashworth is capable of doing that in the A-10?

Yeah, having top flight athletes matter a lot. I’m not sure how this is remotely controversial, especially on this board considering last year’s team’s deficiencies
 
tom in salem said:
Actually, we just had better basketball players that wins games and to quote SLYFOXX, athleticism? Really? You guys must be ancient. I saw what Ashworth did in the postgame handshake line and that was wicked bush. Regardless, just compare the stats that don't lie. He's better than Smith.
www.espn.com

Steven Ashworth - Creighton Bluejays Guard - ESPN

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Deivon Smith - St. John's Red Storm Guard - ESPN

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Hard to say better" ..Different playera and coach needs... Ashworth more min & FG attempts
 
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