Around the Big East

weathermannyc said:
this is 100% absolutely wrong. The Big12 cleaned house last year by demolishing Q4 opponents. These wins are not as valuable as higher quad wins or neutral or road wins, but the offensive and defensive efficiency aspect of the formula allow you to "gain" with a large margin of victory.
Click to expand...
Don't shoot the messenger. This is what the NCAA published regarding this year's formula.
basketball-men-d1 flag

Andy Wittry | NCAA.com | November 30, 2024​

College basketball's NET rankings, explained​

The number of Quadrant 1 wins and Quadrant 3/4 losses will be incredibly important when it comes time for NCAA tournament selection and seeding.

www.ncaa.com

College basketball's NET rankings, explained

Here's everything you need to know about college basketball's NET ranking system.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
 
dk423 said:
Smith broke the record for triple doubles Pac-12. Do you think ashworth is capable of doing that in the A-10?

Yeah, having top flight athletes matter a lot. I’m not sure how this is remotely controversial, especially on this board considering last year’s team’s deficiencies
Click to expand...
 
dk423 said:
Smith broke the record for triple doubles Pac-12. Do you think ashworth is capable of doing that in the A-10?

Yeah, having top flight athletes matter a lot. I’m not sure how this is remotely controversial, especially on this board considering last year’s team’s deficiencies
Click to expand...
I don't know if Ashworth is capable of a triple double record, I just know he's a dynamite basketball player. Yukon won 18 conference games last year starting 3 unathletic white guys. What's the point? That it doesn't matter?
 
To me, Zuby is obviously such pleasant surprise, leader and a difference maker for this team. Imo, I have a sense that Smith is finding his groove and also becoming a leader and high impact player. Not too many teams have a “Batman and Robin” duo like these two capable of making big plays at both ends of the court. I also feel both benefit their teammates substantially.
 
weathermannyc said:
this is 100% absolutely wrong. The Big12 cleaned house last year by demolishing Q4 opponents. These wins are not as valuable as higher quad wins or neutral or road wins, but the offensive and defensive efficiency aspect of the formula allow you to "gain" with a large margin of victory.
Click to expand...
This is a list of Quad 4 wins for each BIG EAST school. As you can see, they're making hay on Quad 4 wins.
 

Attachments

  • GfhbWLyWsAAPDE_.jpeg
    GfhbWLyWsAAPDE_.jpeg
    183.3 KB · Views: 21
paultzman said:
To me, Zuby is obviously such pleasant surprise, leader and a difference maker for this team. Imo, I have a sense that Smith is finding his groove and also becoming a leader and high impact player. Not too many teams have a “Batman and Robin” duo like these two capable of making big plays at both ends of the court. I also feel both benefit their teammates substantially.
Click to expand...
And a case could even be made that those are our 3rd and 4th best players. Tis the season!
 
tom in salem said:
Don't shoot the messenger. This is what the NCAA published regarding this year's formula.
basketball-men-d1 flag

Andy Wittry | NCAA.com | November 30, 2024​

College basketball's NET rankings, explained​

The number of Quadrant 1 wins and Quadrant 3/4 losses will be incredibly important when it comes time for NCAA tournament selection and seeding.

www.ncaa.com

College basketball's NET rankings, explained

Here's everything you need to know about college basketball's NET ranking system.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
Click to expand...
Take a minute to read this thoroughly and you’ll see that it does not give the answer you seem to think it does.
 
tom in salem said:
I see your point, but there's a reason Kadary plays a team leading 30.8 mpg.
Click to expand...
I agree that Ashworth is a good player who shoots and does a lot for Creighton . 17 points a game is nothing to sneeze at .
I know you weren’t down playing his contribution to Creighton . He’s a terrific player , based on any criteria .
Richmond getting all those minutes and putting up decent but ,not great numbers is puzzling .
He has better players around him here at St John’s this year than he had at SH but , he’s not the player we thought he was going to be .
There is a lot of season left , so let’s see what he can do .
Ashworth is the type of player , any team would want . Clutch , great free throw shooter , 3 point marksman , 6 or more assists a game .
The kind of guy you want on the line or shooting with the game up for grabs .
 
dk423 said:
Using Torvik preseason projections & current NET
Baylor: 15/20
Virginia: 72/102
New Mexico: 55/85
Kansas St: 29/122
Georgia: 37/25

Harvard: 207/292
Delaware: 215/243
Bryant: 138/176
Fordham: 141/188
Wagner: 251/318
Quinnipiac: 239/245

We are 16/28.

K-State is clearly a killer. But we also had no choice in that game, it was a B12/BE challenge. I've said it before, but leaving our OOC games to be tournaments is foolish -- if we have an off week (e.g. UConn in Maui) or an injury, we can be playing lesser teams and have no chance to recover. Virginia isn't really playing that different from preseason expectations.

To me, the Georgia game was a "schedule loss" game that I didn't see coming. Hindsight is 20/20, but scheduling a third game in four days vs. a team who's only played one & already played on that court, was probably not smart. The Bryant game is the one to be upset about. It never made sense. That weekend had so many big games. We really should've had one more at the Garden or an away game.

Delaware is par for what you're scheduling this time of year. It's annoying, but necessary to avoid a huge layoff.
Click to expand...
Hopefully some of the rankings will improve for some of those teams as the season goes on.
 
Last edited:
Sunday morning project

All big East players and their averages for Points, Rebs, Asts, Steals, and blocks.
- Where they rank in each category is the amount of points the get.
For example if a player was 1st in scoring, 1st in Rebs, 1st in asts, 1st in steals, but 50th in blocks, their total would be 54 points. The lower the score the better the ranking. *this ranking does not mean they are the better player, just a way of seeing who contributes across the most areas*

Out of the players I looked at, RJ had the lowest overall score of 59 points.

RJ: 59 (5,10,14,9,21)
Smith: 80 (33,8,6,5,28)
Kadary: 82 (32,17,10,12,11)
Zuby: 100 (13,3,53,29,2)

Other notables
Freemantle: 60
Peavy: 71
Karaban: 91
Jones: 93
Neal: 97
Dixon: 99
Kalk: 105
Telfort: 150
Mcneely: 162
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Sunday morning project

All big East players and their averages for Points, Rebs, Asts, Steals, and blocks.
- Where they rank in each category is the amount of points the get.
For example if a player was 1st in scoring, 1st in Rebs, 1st in asts, 1st in steals, but 50th in blocks, their total would be 54 points. The lower the score the better the ranking. *this ranking does not mean they are the better player, just a way of seeing who contributes across the most areas*

Out of the players I looked at, RJ had the lowest overall score of 59 points.

RJ: 59 (5,10,14,9,21)
Smith: 80 (33,8,6,5,28)
Kadary: 82 (32,17,10,12,11)
Zuby: 100 (13,3,53,29,2)

Other notables
Freemantle: 60
Peavy: 71
Karaban: 91
Jones: 93
Neal: 97
Dixon: 99
Kalk: 105
Telfort: 150
Mcneely: 162
Click to expand...
Someone has too much time on their hands. ;) ;)
 
paultzman said:
Candid & probably right;

Click to expand...

At least he didn't talk about Diarra's lateral quickness.

IMO the problem for UConn is that Newton, Spencer and Castle are just light years better than Diarra (just a guy) Ball (has talent but is not producing anywhere near the level of last year's guys) and whoever else he puts out there. Karaban is obviously the same and Flagg picks up some of the production loss from the other three but then you ALSO have a huge production loss at the 5.

Not the same team by a long shot. Still very good. But (cue MR) not national championship material.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top