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logen said:
What Rutgers has provided is the Big 10 Network inclusion in NY area cable outlets, etc. Rutgers inclusion has not hurt the conference at all, anything resembling a dial mover, certainly not.
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I don't doubt it has not hurt the conference, what I am skeptical about is that the inclusion of Rutgers has benefitted the conference enough, that the big 12 would look at them, and think it is a good idea to prioritize a Uconn over a Duke for example. Or even a UConn over an NC State.

Though this is a tricky conversation because schools with solid football are obviously graded on a huge curve in terms of viability

The other thing that breaks my brain when discussing this topic, is I am used to there being some sort of limit to how many schools can be in a conference. Those days seem over. Whats stopping the big 12 from poaching half of the ACC, and then poaching half of the Big East as a basketball only division? With Uconn being the lucky school from the BE that gets a piece of the football money too
 
B12 would love to recruit the tri state area and be able to get those guys a game back near home.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
B12 would love to recruit the tri state area and be able to get those guys a game back near home.
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And the Presidents would love to recruit students from the northeast.

UConn is tricky since they're so bad in football, they're probably taking a piece of the football TV pie. The basketball-only schools wouldn't have to do that, and probably add value to it if anything.
 
lawmanfan said:
The OG Big East schools are NEVER leaving that brand and will never be basketball only members of some football conference. They would rather own their own conference than rent in someone else's.
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I agree with most of your post, I think the Big 12 is better served being patient and waiting for far more valuable ACC schools. Hopefully the Big 12 presidents come to the same conclusion.

The quoted part I disagree with, though. St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova were interested in ACC membership before they formed the new Big East. The ACC said no.

Hypothetically let's say UConn is added to the Big 12. In a few years they could have:
UConn
Kansas
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
NC State
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Arizona
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Others

They probably wouldn't end up with every single one of those, some would go to the SEC and Big Ten (I didn't bother listing the obvious ones like UNC), but regardless they'd be by far the best basketball conference.

They'd take MSG from us, we'd be playing at Barclays. If St. John's gets offered at any point (a very big IF), they have to consider it.

Let's hope the presidents quickly move past this and we can go back to anticipating what should be an excellent season.
 
Friendly reminder that Ed Cooley and Rick Pitino were both hired the same offseason. Still pissed we didn't make the tournament, but Georgetown won 9 games last year. Thank god for Rick

A 9-23 record is probably also why Cooley is deciding to schedule like this. coward
 
@sillydonovan First off go look at the UCONN's recruiting under Ollie it was pretty damn good.

No the BE did not elevate their recruiting. Houston and Memphis and Cincinnati recruiting very well in the AAC.
 
lawmanfan said:
We interrupt the Summer of LMF Being Off RedFans to offer the following comments:



- Agree that Yormark thinks hoops is undervalued and would like to improve the B12 profile in that area. But disagree that he will he get a supermajority of his presidents to agree.
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Improve the B12 basketball? They have arguably been the best and deepest basketball conference in the country for the last decade. Obviously they lost Oklahoma and Texas which hurts but they swapped them for Arizona and Houston. they are arguably stronger.

UCONN would make them insanely deep.
 
ADORAZ said:
I agree with most of your post, I think the Big 12 is better served being patient and waiting for far more valuable ACC schools. Hopefully the Big 12 presidents come to the same conclusion.

The quoted part I disagree with, though. St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova were interested in ACC membership before they formed the new Big East. The ACC said no.

Hypothetically let's say UConn is added to the Big 12. In a few years they could have:
UConn
Kansas
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
NC State
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Arizona
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Others

They probably wouldn't end up with every single one of those, some would go to the SEC and Big Ten (I didn't bother listing the obvious ones like UNC), but regardless they'd be by far the best basketball conference.

They'd take MSG from us, we'd be playing at Barclays. If St. John's gets offered at any point (a very big IF), they have to consider it.They don' t want/need to move.

Let's hope the presidents quickly move past this and we can go back to anticipating what should be an excellent season.
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No football, no invite.
 
tom in salem said:
No football, no invite.
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That may be the case, it's why the ACC rejected us last round and I said it'd be a big IF. Was just pointing out that if we don't end up in the Big 12 it'd be because they wouldn't invite us, most likely not the other way around.

I do think a handful of basketball schools will end up in a Power conference eventually. We have to play well enough these next few years so we're a candidate if that happens. I've been saying this for years, but a worst case scenario is if UConn, Villanova, and Georgetown leave and we're not in that group.
 
ADORAZ said:
That may be the case, it's why the ACC rejected us last round and I said it'd be a big IF. Was just pointing out that if we don't end up in the Big 12 it'd be because they wouldn't invite us, most likely not the other way around.

I do think a handful of basketball schools will end up in a Power conference eventually. We have to play well enough these next few years so we're a candidate if that happens. I've been saying this for years, but a worst case scenario is if UConn, Villanova, and Georgetown leave and we're not in that group.
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I think separating the contracts makes it a different ball game. Gonzaga/STJ/Villanova/Marquette/Creighton all arguably add more to a basketball-only TV deal compared to what a Virginia Tech adds to a football deal and a basketball deal.

The football-focused schools can still not worry about dividing up their pie with the non-basketball schools, and (potentially) have them to thank for a bigger basketball deal.
 
otis said:
Why does the B12 need a basketball only school to improve its conference revenue?
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They're separating the football and basketball TV contracts, Nova vs. UConn or St. John's vs Georgetown I think would be more valuable for a TV contract than most other Big 12 basketball games (based on current TV ratings).

Further, adding the top Big East schools would not only eliminate a competing conference, it'd free up MSG and they'd be positioned to air a very lucrative tournament.

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen (basketball-only schools to the Big 12), I do think Yormark wants it to (he's already gone after Gonzaga) but convincing the presidents is another story.

Sadly they can probably take MSG with just UConn and not St. John's, but a full return to relevance would certainly help our case.
 
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otis said:
Why does the B12 need a basketball only school to improve its conference revenue?
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The other way to think of it is, why would Fox want basketball-only properties under the Big 12 deal?

I think the answer lies in what we’ve seen across different industries in this era of consolidation and monopolies in general: efficiencies, higher profit margins, more reach, etc.
 
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