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[Marillac2]

The guy is ruthlessly bashing one of our best players in every thread and I am trolling?

My criticism of Jenkins is completely independent of Posh. You are the only one that brings Posh up when Jenkins is mentioned.

If Posh was completely wiped from my memory, I would still find Jenkins the most frustrating player to ever wear a St. John’s uniform.

I just find it hypocritical of you to bash Posh based solely on shooting when he has a higher field goal % for both his career and this season than Jenkins and shockingly similar three point stats both this season and for his career if you eliminate one season playing in the MAAC or control for strength of schedule in any way.

They are both objectively bad shooters at this level.

 

[carmineabbatiello]

Daniss is playing at a level where I see his recent STJ comps as PGIII (PGIII better)

Well duh.

 

[carmineabbatiello]

It's not like he's Erick Barkeley or Omar Cook or Mark Jackson, or Shamorie or Marcus or .

Well yes...and no. Yes, he might not be as good a guard as the aforementioned. And No, he is the team leader on the court, in the lockeroom, on the bench and at the bowling alley like some of the aforementioned. He also is the 2nd best player on the team like some of the aforementioned. It's January, there is no free agency and team structure and dynamics are now cast in stone. Either Jenkins takes us to the promised land or he doesn't. There are no other options.

 

[carmineabbatiello]

I just find it hypocritical of you to bash Posh based solely on shooting when he has a higher field goal % for both his career and this season than Jenkins

 

[Knight]

My criticism of Jenkins is completely independent of Posh. You are the only one that brings Posh up when Jenkins is mentioned.

If Posh was completely wiped from my memory, I would still find Jenkins the most frustrating player to ever wear a St. John’s uniform.

I just find it hypocritical of you to bash Posh based solely on shooting when he has a higher field goal % for both his career and this season than Jenkins and shockingly similar three point stats both this season and for his career if you eliminate one season playing in the MAAC or control for strength of schedule in any way.

They are both objectively bad shooters at this level.

I think will can move on from Posh, He transferred and is not coming back.

 

[Rhythm]

Why is every thread marillac bashing Jenkins? We get it you dislike his game. Why don’t you make a thread about your dislike of him and keep it there.

 

[IDRAFT]

Why is every thread marillac bashing Jenkins? We get it you dislike his game. Why don’t you make a thread about your dislike of him and keep it there.

It’s not just him, he is just the ringleader. It’s beyond spam at this point. If only the guy had another year of eligibility he could transfer and these same posters would wax poetic about every point or assist he got for his next team.

 

[redmanwest]

If Posh was completely wiped from my memory, I would still find Jenkins the most frustrating player to ever wear a St. John’s uniform.

I share (to a lesser degree of passion) your sense that Jenkins shoots too much. He's not perfect, but he is what we've got.

BUT, the statement above is a little hyperbolic. Though it is definitely a subjective evaluation, I think guys like Sprolling, Hatton, Bangura, Sanchez, Lovett, to name just a few who come to mind, who were definitely more or equally vexing... There is a long list unfortunately of past St. John's players that were frustrating or who underachieved, etc. Just sayin.

 

[Jack Williams]

I think will can move on from Posh, He transferred and is not coming back.

Its not even about Posh, its about what we were told when Pitino got hired. Once Pitino got hired, the vibe on here was that we were going to recruit 12 kids who could all shoot the lights out. Posh (and others) were no longer necessary here due to lack of shooting ability.

Can we see now with the benefit of hindsight that that narrative was a tad ridiculous? Are we even good at shooting this year? We're in the bottom half in the BE in FG%

I am not taking a shot at Pitino's recruiting. Its just a lot of people couldnt wait to speak ill on the players we had last year. Once we got Pitino, we were suddenly too good for all of them. In reality, this is a top 20 team with David Jones, Aj Storr, and Posh in the mix. Just saying. But yes, like you said, no one is coming back. Best to focus on who we do have here

 

[paultzman]

Hard to predict anything with so many new faces in addition to a competent center. Perhaps out of our frustration w years of ineptitude and disappointment we developed expectations well beyond fair because of the “Rick factor”

Stepping back, the team had less than laudable OOC results and now is going through the BE gauntlet. Nothing to do w the Seton Hall beating, but considering Rick had to quickly cut and paste a squad, figure out rotations and roles, I would now be quite happy being a bubble team that scrambled for Dance bid & makes a little noise in BE Tourney.

In year two, we’ll have a lot of roster holes to fill, so I am cautiously optimistic that with returnees and attracting solid transfers, we can continue to move in right direction. Anything better than that is gravy to me.

 

[Knight]

Its not even about Posh, its about what we were told when Pitino got hired. Once Pitino got hired, the vibe on here was that we were going to recruit 12 kids who could all shoot the lights out. Posh (and others) were no longer necessary here due to lack of shooting ability.

Can we see now with the benefit of hindsight that that narrative was a tad ridiculous? Are we even good at shooting this year? We're in the bottom half in the BE in FG%

I am not taking a shot at Pitino's recruiting. Its just a lot of people couldnt wait to speak ill on the players we had last year. Once we got Pitino, we were suddenly too good for all of them. In reality, this is a top 20 team with David Jones, Aj Storr, and Posh in the mix. Just saying. But yes, like you said, no one is coming back. Best to focus on who we do have here

I think the main factor in the large turnover was due to character issues, not shooting ability. That was the focus of new recruits.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Its not even about Posh, its about what we were told when Pitino got hired. Once Pitino got hired, the vibe on here was that we were going to recruit 12 kids who could all shoot the lights out. Posh (and others) were no longer necessary here due to lack of shooting ability.

Can we see now with the benefit of hindsight that that narrative was a tad ridiculous? Are we even good at shooting this year? We're in the bottom half in the BE in FG%

I am not taking a shot at Pitino's recruiting. Its just a lot of people couldnt wait to speak ill on the players we had last year. Once we got Pitino, we were suddenly too good for all of them. In reality, this is a top 20 team with David Jones, Aj Storr, and Posh in the mix. Just saying. But yes, like you said, no one is coming back. Best to focus on who we do have here

You are forgetting that Van Macon plus , Fr Shanley , Mike Cragg were seriously aghast at the attitude and conduct of last year ‘s team individually and collectively .

Sure blame is placed on CMA but , some of those players were not going to fit RP ‘s idea of team .

 

[Jack Williams]

You are forgetting that Van Macon plus , Fr Shanley , Mike Cragg were seriously aghast at the attitude and conduct of last year ‘s team individually and collectively .

Sure blame is placed on CMA but , some of those players were not going to fit RP ‘s idea of team .

im not talking about why Pitino got rid of the players.

Im talking about the heel turn from posters on here like MullinsRevenge who thought the days of poorly shooting guards were behind us so had fun kicking our former players on their way out.

Fine ill say it I blame MullinsRevenge for jenkins 3pt%. its karma lol

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

im not talking about why Pitino got rid of the players.

Im talking about the heel turn from posters on here like MullinsRevenge who thought the days of poorly shooting guards were behind us so had fun kicking our former players on their way out.

Fine ill say it I blame MullinsRevenge for jenkins 3pt%. its karma

Jack , you like others don’t seem to mention the Assists , Steals, Rebounds , Defense that Jenkins plays . Plus , be the Leader on the Court .
I think last week , Jenkins was second to Kolek for Assists per game . And , in the top 20 in the Country .

Who do you want shooting the ball , if not Jenkins , Dingle ? Ledlum ? Taylor ?

Only Alleyne and sometimes Luis can get their own shot .

Dingle shoots 41 percent , hardly better than Jenkins . Plus , Dingle is essentially a 1 dimensional player .
We expected him to be so much more . It hasn’t happened .

 

[logen]

Repetitive mantra, Pitino came in, the talking and printing heads jumped on an easy story, “St. John’s is back”, “St. John’s is Top 25“, etc. and many fans here bought into it hook, line and sinker, never mind the roster was virtually completely sight unseen.
So now we get the “wish Posh was here, wish Jones and Storr were here, Wusu would really have helped us” posts, posters never accepting that the decision to turn over the roster was pretty much made before Pitino was hired. Father Stanley saw with his own eyes the culture that had evolved under CMA and he was holding both sides of that coin accountable.

 

[Jack Williams]

Jack , you like others don’t seem to mention the Assists , Steals, Rebounds , Defense that Jenkins plays . Plus , be the Leader on the Court .
I think last week , Jenkins was second to Kolek for Assists per game . And , in the top 20 in the Country .

Who do you want shooting the ball , if not Jenkins , Dingle ? Ledlum ? Taylor ?

Only Alleyne and sometimes Luis can get their own shot .

Dingle shoots 41 percent , hardly better than Jenkins . Plus , Dingle is essentially a 1 dimensional player .
We expected him to be so much more . It hasn’t happened .

I’ve been the main guy duking it out with marillac and Larry wrong about Daniss. Trust me you’re preaching to the choir.

But his 3pt% does kinda stink. In fact none of our guards are shooting the lights out.

All I’m saying is It’s just funny to me now because when I wanted to keep posh I was told it was impossible because the days of having poorly shooting backcourts here was over

Oh well

 

[Jack Williams]

Repetitive mantra, Pitino came in, the talking and printing heads jumped on an easy story, “St. John’s is back”, “St. John’s is Top 25“, etc. and many fans here bought into it hook, line and sinker, never mind the roster was virtually completely sight unseen.
So now we get the “wish Posh was here, wish Jones and Storr were here, Wusu would really have helped us” posts, posters never accepting that the decision to turn over the roster was pretty much made before Pitino was hired. Father Stanley saw with his own eyes the culture that had evolved under CMA and he was holding both sides of that coin accountable.

But yet we kept two guys so therefore the conversation about potentially keeping other guys is valid

 

[logen]

But yet we kept two guys so therefore the conversation about potentially keeping other guys is valid

And Pitino was very candid about why those 2 guys were kept vis a vis the rest of the team, so no, potentially keeping those “other guys” is not valid because it was explained fully in Pitino’s first press conference, fully. And the only thing repetitively sillier than the constant Jenkins bashing is the never ending longing for players who accomplished very little while they were here, in terms of winning.

 

[Jack Williams]

And Pitino was very candid about why those 2 guys were kept vis a vis the rest of the team, so no, potentially keeping those “other guys” is not valid because it was explained fully in Pitino’s first press conference, fully.

Was he candid? Was it explained fully? Cause during the introductory press conference, he said he had to meet with most of the other players before making a decision. So coming out of the press conference, there was still a shot that he could have retained some other guys. It didn't play out that way, which is fine... really, it is.

The reality is some of these guys were kicked on the way out by some cocky St. John's fans who thought we were too good for them once we got Rick. They got caught in the hype and headlines as you mentioned. In reality, some of those guys could have helped us this year. I don't think acknowledging that is "silly" which brings me to my next point.

And the only thing repetitively sillier than the constant Jenkins bashing is the never ending longing for players who accomplished very little while they were here, in terms of winning.

I'm not gonna lie, I am getting sick and tired of the narrative that we should never "long" for former players because they didn't win enough when they were here.

Our coach was not good, did not have control over the team (clearly) and we were a poorly run basketball team. That says absolutely nothing about the individual talent we had.

How is AJ Storr on a 13-4 Wisconsin team? He didn't win anything while playing for Mike Anderson, therefore we can't talk about his potential value? Do I have that right?

I don't get you guys sometimes, its a st johns basketball forum and you act like discussing past st johns players, who were literally here less than a year ago, is some off limits topic? I literally read some of you guys discuss Mike Jarvis weekly. The Jarvis era.. who gives a fuck about the Jarvis era in 2024? Well people on here do because they live and breathe st johns basketball. Thats cool with me.

Should past coaches who failed here be off limit topics due to silliness?
Should past seasons where we didn't win a lot be off limits due to silliness?
Should past players who were on the team LAST season be off limits due to silliness?

I am just trying to figure out all the unwritten rules.

No one was even talking about our former players in here until one poster who shit on Posh to prop up Jenkins play. Whether you find it silly or not that right there invites a discussion about Posh/Jenkins which leads to talk about former players.

 

[IDRAFT]

And Pitino was very candid about why those 2 guys were kept vis a vis the rest of the team, so no, potentially keeping those “other guys” is not valid because it was explained fully in Pitino’s first press conference, fully. And the only thing repetitively sillier than the constant Jenkins bashing is the never ending longing for players who accomplished very little while they were here, in terms of winning.

This should be a sticky.