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mjmaherjr said:
Hypothetically Big 12 raids UConn ( weren’t there rumors of them wanting us a few months ago ) what if they poach a couple schools what’s your ideal scenario and if us to Big 12 rumor was legit woukd you want that move ?
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SJU is the square peg in the Big 12 round hole.

I cannot see that rumor being true. The Big 12 wants to make the football side bigger, since they already have the best basketball conference.

The BE would be better served going after the private Catholic schools like Dayton first, and then seeing where things go from there.
 
mjmaherjr said:
Hypothetically Big 12 raids UConn ( weren’t there rumors of them wanting us a few months ago ) what if they poach a couple schools what’s your ideal scenario and if us to Big 12 rumor was legit woukd you want that move ?
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As Cher said :
 
kranmars said:
SJU is the square peg in the Big 12 round hole.

I cannot see that rumor being true. The Big 12 wants to make the football side bigger, since they already have the best basketball conference.

The BE would be better served going after the private Catholic schools like Dayton first, and then seeing where things go from there.
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So then we gotta hope ND keeps football Indy and get them back in the big east. If we only lose UConn I don’t care but if we lose others as per the original rumor we need some serious countermeasures ready
 
kranmars said:
From your list, Clemson and FL State are the most appealing (with Miami close behind). But I think the SEC would try to take them first.

Yes, they would need to work out an arrangement with South Carolina and Florida, but money wins out.

That’s where the other schools are left scrambling.
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Die Hard Cane (FB) fan here...

SEC wants FSU and Miami. They do not want the B1G to get into the Florida market. The only team that will make a big deal of Miami joining the SEC is the UF (because they are gaping vaginas).

Miami will end up in the SEC or the B!G...

FSU and Clemson seem SEC bound.

ND will join the B!G

I couldn't care less about the rest of the conference - to be perfectly honest, lol.
 
passitback said:
Die Hard Cane (FB) fan here...

SEC wants FSU and Miami. They do not want the B1G to get into the Florida market. The only team that will make a big deal of Miami joining the SEC is the UF (because they are gaping vaginas).

Miami will end up in the SEC or the B!G...

FSU and Clemson seem SEC bound.

ND will join the B!G

I couldn't care less about the rest of the conference - to be perfectly honest, lol.
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Does ND make more money by committing football ?
 
mjmaherjr said:
Does ND make more money by committing football ?
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Not sure what they generate as an indy. The B!G pays almost 60-million per year to each football school.

ND likes to play by their own rules, though. They are media darlings; they expect and demand preferential treatment. I am not sure that will fly with the tOSU and UMs of the conference.

Great question...

Most fans are working under the assumption that they will HAVE to join a mega-conference to survive the constantly changing CFB landscape.



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Power Five conferences combined to bring in $3.3 billion in revenue last year
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passitback said:
Not sure what they generate as an indy. The B!G pays almost 60-million per year to each football school.

ND likes to play by their own rules, though. They are media darlings; they expect and demand preferential treatment. I am not sure that will fly with the tOSU and UMs of the conference.

Great question...

Most fans are working under the assumption that they will HAVE to join a mega-conference to survive the constantly changing CFB landscape.



www.cbssports.com

Big Ten leads Power Five conferences with $845.6 million in revenue in 2022 fiscal year, per report

Power Five conferences combined to bring in $3.3 billion in revenue last year
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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From what you’re saying if I’m a ND fan I’d rather stay Indy then realign with BE on e ACC blows up
 
mjmaherjr said:
From what you’re saying if I’m a ND fan I’d rather stay Indy then realign with BE on e ACC blows up
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Yup! The BE isn't going to pay them anywhere near the amount of money they make if they joined the B!G, taking football into account.

I am not even sure that amount (whatever it is) will be enough to persuade them to join the B!G.

The football team flipped a 40 million dollar profit last year, generating over 90 million in revenue!

CASH COWS!
 
passitback said:
Yup! The BE isn't going to pay them anywhere near the amount of money they make if they joined the B!G, taking football into account.

I am not even sure that amount (whatever it is) will be enough to persuade them to join the B!G.

The football team flipped a 40 million dollar profit last year, generating over 90 million in revenue!

CASH COWS!
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But if they make that much Indy football and aligned all other sports with big east the finance in me thinks that makes sense
 
mjmaherjr said:
So then we gotta hope ND keeps football Indy and get them back in the big east. If we only lose UConn I don’t care but if we lose others as per the original rumor we need some serious countermeasures ready
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What "others" in the Big East could we lose??
The only reason even Uconn from the Big East is being considered is because they are a national basketball power and it has zero to do with their mediocre football program.
But the 12 really doesn't need to add basketball centric schools like Uconn or Gonzaga.
They already have Kansas.

The Big 12 is losing two of the biggest brands in football in Texas and Oklahoma. Do you think Uconn is even remotely in that company? They are a regional football brand and, by regional, I mean Connecticut!

This is not strictly a battle between college athletic conferences but a continuing war between FOX and ESPN. The Big East is positioned to be a top 4 basketball power conference for years to come and needs to negotiate better T.V. deals!

While they are not getting tens of millions in football T.V. money, they also don't have to fund tens of millions in coaching staff and 85 player scholarships. If the NFL ever changed their draft eligibility like the NBA and MLB, college football would lose its best stars. In today's world you never know what 2030 could bring.
 
mjmaherjr said:
But if they make that much Indy football and aligned all other sports with big east the finance in me thinks that makes sense
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It might be. I don't know the numbers in the other sports to say definitively. It worked out for them before. However, that was a different era.

We now have a portal, and NIL, and talk of mega-conferences. Who knows what type of implications this can have on media deals, etc.
 
It’s simple math. UConn football loses money. A significant amount of money. What formula can you add to that to make them in any way attractive football-wise, to these big football conferences? I don’t see it.
 
Rocket said:
What "others" in the Big East could we lose??
The only reason even Uconn from the Big East is being considered is because they are a national basketball power and it has zero to do with their mediocre football program.
But the 12 really doesn't need to add basketball centric schools like Uconn or Gonzaga.
They already have Kansas.

The Big 12 is losing two of the biggest brands in football in Texas and Oklahoma. Do you think Uconn is even remotely in that company? They are a regional football brand and, by regional, I mean Connecticut!

This is not strictly a battle between college athletic conferences but a continuing war between FOX and ESPN. The Big East is positioned to be a top 4 basketball power conference for years to come and needs to negotiate better T.V. deals!

While they are not getting tens of millions in football T.V. money, they also don't have to fund tens of millions in coaching staff and 85 player scholarships. If the NFL ever changed their draft eligibility like the NBA and MLB, college football would lose its best stars. In today's world you never know what 2030 could bring.
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Someone had posted an article or rumor several months ago that they were talking to us ( the yormark guy ) and nova and I think someone else Gtown maybe
 
MCNPA said:
It’s simple math. UConn football loses money. A significant amount of money. What formula can you add to that to make them in any way attractive football-wise, to these big football conferences? I don’t see it.
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Only if they think it will gain then northeast market share
 
passitback said:
It might be. I don't know the numbers in the other sports to say definitively. It worked out for them before. However, that was a different era.

We now have a portal, and NIL, and talk of mega-conferences. Who knows what type of implications this can have on media deals, etc.
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Currently, Notre Dame receives $22 million / year from NBC. For comparison, the new Big Ten deal will be expected to pay out around 90 million per year/ per team in the future regardless of on-field performance. Per USA Today Also about $35 million from ACC deal.

Assume the other ND trademark and attendance revenue would be protected.
 
austour said:
Currently, Notre Dame receives $22 million / year from NBC. For comparison, the new Big Ten deal will be expected to pay out around 90 million per year/ per team in the future regardless of on-field performance. Per USA Today Also about $35 million from ACC deal.

Assume the other ND trademark and attendance revenue would be protected.
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Insanity! Tough to compete with that.
 
mjmaherjr said:
Someone had posted an article or rumor several months ago that they were talking to us ( the yormark guy ) and nova and I think someone else Gtown maybe
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Once the ACC loses Miami, Clemson, Florida State and Notre Dame, then it may make sense to merge the ACC and Big East that would dominate college basketball East of the Mississippi.

I personally don't think we need to go west of the Mississippi. Gonzaga IS MARK FEW.
Saint Mary's is Randy Bennett. God knows how attractive those schools will be without them in the NIL world.

Hopefully Big East leadership will get better at TV contract negotiations. If we stay with basketball schools I would only add St. Louis and Dayton if Uconn leaves.

Only legacy football schools make money. For school like Uconn it's fool's gold.
 
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