Found Dana O'Neil's book, The Big East, to be a good read. It covers the formation of the new conference and takes the original eight through their final four runs. Commissioner Dave Gavitt did a great job putting conference together. The descriptions of the relationships among the original coaches will be nostalgic for the older readers and informational for the younger reader. Seven of the original eight members made at least one final four, and BC barely missed in '85. Looie is portrayed in a very favorable light.
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Probably worked out for both sides. Hurley was likely recruiting over him and now he goes to play at same school his father was at. Cooley seems to have a lot of guards.
FYI-The second intra-conference "transfer" is about to happen, it will be 5-star recruit Tyrell Ward. He was signed with Xavier and then re-opened his commitment after they got rid of Travis Steele. Steele had a terrific 3 man recruiting class all top 100 recruits, Sean Miller has been able to keep two but he is about to lose Ward to Georgetown.
The old BE intra-conference rule about transfers also including incoming recruits who were originally SIGNED with a BE team. Meaning under the old rules Tyrell Ward, even though he never enrolled or played at Xavier, would not be allowed to sign with another BE school after his release.
Georgetown is a finalist for Antoine Davis and Akok Akok. Marcus Hammond is down to Georgetown and ND but word is he is headed to South Bend. Ewing is totally redoing the roster.
WRT Ward Georgetown has apparently hired Jordan Brooks from Xavier, former DOBO. Brooks is close to Ward a DeMatha product Brooks is from Maryland and played for Kevin Nickelberry another, new Ewing Assistant, at Howard and was an assistant at Howard later on. In fact now all 3 of Ewing's assistants, he promoted Clinton Crouch who is a former Maryland high school player and high school coach, have deep ties to the DMV area-Nickelberry, Crouch and Ward.
The old BE intra-conference rule about transfers also including incoming recruits who were originally SIGNED with a BE team. Meaning under the old rules Tyrell Ward, even though he never enrolled or played at Xavier, would not be allowed to sign with another BE school after his release.
Georgetown is a finalist for Antoine Davis and Akok Akok. Marcus Hammond is down to Georgetown and ND but word is he is headed to South Bend. Ewing is totally redoing the roster.
WRT Ward Georgetown has apparently hired Jordan Brooks from Xavier, former DOBO. Brooks is close to Ward a DeMatha product Brooks is from Maryland and played for Kevin Nickelberry another, new Ewing Assistant, at Howard and was an assistant at Howard later on. In fact now all 3 of Ewing's assistants, he promoted Clinton Crouch who is a former Maryland high school player and high school coach, have deep ties to the DMV area-Nickelberry, Crouch and Ward.
I know it might not be exact to other situations where guys might have not signed but certainly have had guys change their commitment from one BE school to another before.
Yes but commitments are not binding. Bottom line is the BE considered a signed NLI by an incoming recruit the same as a player enrolled at the school. And therefore that player was ineligible to "transfer" to another BE school.
I think the biggest reason the BE dropped it was because after the NCAA updated their transfer rules to allow a one time free transfer and most of the other major conferences dropped their intra-conference transfer penalties it made no sense for the BE to keep that rule and quite frankly put their member institutions at a disadvantage.
Think about a kid who is looking at several schools including a BE school, say UCONN. That kid may look ahead and say if I choose an SEC school and I decided to transfer later on I am free to transfer to any other school in the country INCLUDING another SEC school If I choose UCONN and I want to transfer I will be free to transfer to any school EXCEPT another BE school. Hmmmm maybe I will just opt not to go to UCONN then.....
If coach left, couldn’t recruits be let of their signed NLI? I can’t remember.
What do you mean by rule? No I don't think so. You still have to be released from your NLI regardless of the reason.
But that is not the ultimate point. Even after your release under the OLD BE transfer rules you COULD NOT attend on scholarship another BE program. Period.
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Just to put a Bow on this don't confuse getting an NLI release (which is still required for a signed recruit REGARDLESS of the reason they want the release) and the Transfer Portal. The OLD BE rules lumped the two together and prevented both types of transfers from ever playing for another BE school. Meaning incoming signed recruits who got a release from their old BE school and a BE player enrolled at a school looking to transfer. Under the OLD BE transfer rules BOTH were not allowed to go to another BE school period.
But a true transfer (someone who was enrolled at a BE school) under the old NCAA transfer rules that person had to be released from their scholarship before they could legally contact other schools and consider a transfer to another school. That is GONE. The portal replaced that. All that is required is 48 hour notice to the school and compliance and they then have to place your name in the portal where you are free to be contacted. There is no asking for a release from your scholarship anymore. That is gone.
F96. I don't remember the old rule as well as you but you used the word "ever" and that raised a quick question. If player a commited to a BE school. Coaching change has them release him from his NLI. He goes to a B1G school. 2 years later he decides he wants to transfer. Was he still not allowed back int the BE? The point is moot but I am just wondering.
The rule at one time was you had to sit out two years which might have come into play in your scenario.
Ray Knight, a Forward/Center was previously the only Men’s Big East Basketball player I recall having transferred from one Big East school (Georgetown) to another (Providence) back in the early 80’s prior to the rules institution.
As someone stated earlier (and it has been repeated), getting players has not been Patrick Ewing’s problem, it’s keeping them.
Pretty sure we were on the losing of end of that more than once lol
Yes but we did get at least one win, Harkless after originally giving a verbal to UConn. even though it was only one year of Mo, it was better than the two years they got out of both Wiggins (who verballed to us originally) and Wilson (who signed with is, might have showed up for one day of summer school and then transferred to UCONN who was in the AAC). You can throw in the one year they had Yawke as the player to be named later.
But we did lose several more to LSU and Baylor to name two schools.
Thought he played for the Mets, won a World Series with them and was married to golfer Nancy Lopez.
Here was the rule. Player signs an NLI with Big East school. Assuming he FULLY QUALIFIES if he is released from his NLI he cannot go to another BE school. Yes ever. If that player fails to qualify assuming he NEVER enrolled then the NLI is null and void and sometime in the future he can go to a BE school even the same school.
But yes to your example that player would be ineligible, assuming he was fully qualified originally, to transfer to a BE school.
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And still found time to beat the crap out of Eric Davis along the way.Thought he played for the Mets, won a World Series with them and was married to golfer Nancy Lopez.
Well last year tested that theory at Georgetown because he did not have many good players.
But they will be vastly different this coming year.
Harkless and Wiggins were perfect examples of the old transfer rule.
Both were verbal commitments and neither had signed NLI. If they had they would have been ineligible to go to SJU (Harkless) or UCONN (Wiggins) if they were ever released.