Darn it. Paultzman beat me to it...
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Around the Big East 19/20
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[quote="Adam" post=374602][quote="MCNPA" post=374584]I don’t think that our recruiting has tanked at all. We are on our third head coach in the last few years and Anderson only started this past April. We have Posh who 100% should be a top 100 player. I’m not sure why newer rankings aren’t reflecting how well he is playing this season for an excellent team. We are also bringing in at least 2 if not more juco all americans which are quality pickups. Anderson will build relationships here and we will start landing those top 50-150 kids as well and I don’t think any of our recruits are far below that range equivalency.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.
[quote="MCNPA" post=374607][quote="Adam" post=374602][quote="MCNPA" post=374584]I don’t think that our recruiting has tanked at all. We are on our third head coach in the last few years and Anderson only started this past April. We have Posh who 100% should be a top 100 player. I’m not sure why newer rankings aren’t reflecting how well he is playing this season for an excellent team. We are also bringing in at least 2 if not more juco all americans which are quality pickups. Anderson will build relationships here and we will start landing those top 50-150 kids as well and I don’t think any of our recruits are far below that range equivalency.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as fewer kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill out the entire roster which meant a bigger class. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as fewer kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill out the entire roster which meant a bigger class. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.
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[quote="Adam" post=374636][quote="MCNPA" post=374607][quote="Adam" post=374602][quote="MCNPA" post=374584]I don’t think that our recruiting has tanked at all. We are on our third head coach in the last few years and Anderson only started this past April. We have Posh who 100% should be a top 100 player. I’m not sure why newer rankings aren’t reflecting how well he is playing this season for an excellent team. We are also bringing in at least 2 if not more juco all americans which are quality pickups. Anderson will build relationships here and we will start landing those top 50-150 kids as well and I don’t think any of our recruits are far below that range equivalency.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as a lot less kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill an entire roster in just a couple months. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.[/quote]
Difference is though that we already were on Ponds for quite a while because Lavin and co actually recruited. Mullin did zero recruiting. We had no ties to any recruits except the ones that Abdelmassih went after and there wasn’t much. Anything he had he took with him to Nebraska.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as a lot less kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill an entire roster in just a couple months. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.[/quote]
Difference is though that we already were on Ponds for quite a while because Lavin and co actually recruited. Mullin did zero recruiting. We had no ties to any recruits except the ones that Abdelmassih went after and there wasn’t much. Anything he had he took with him to Nebraska.
[quote="MCNPA" post=374637][quote="Adam" post=374636][quote="MCNPA" post=374607][quote="Adam" post=374602][quote="MCNPA" post=374584]I don’t think that our recruiting has tanked at all. We are on our third head coach in the last few years and Anderson only started this past April. We have Posh who 100% should be a top 100 player. I’m not sure why newer rankings aren’t reflecting how well he is playing this season for an excellent team. We are also bringing in at least 2 if not more juco all americans which are quality pickups. Anderson will build relationships here and we will start landing those top 50-150 kids as well and I don’t think any of our recruits are far below that range equivalency.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as a lot less kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill an entire roster in just a couple months. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.[/quote]
Difference is though that we already were on Ponds for quite a while because Lavin and co actually recruited. Mullin did zero recruiting. We had no ties to any recruits except the ones that Abdelmassih went after and there wasn’t much. Anything he had he took with him to Nebraska.[/quote]
Very fair point. One more point from me is that CMA recruited at Arkansas so some of those players he/TJ were on could have followed him here for 2019/20/21. That was seemingly one (of many) advantages of hiring a Power conference coach as opposed to a mid-major.
For the record I think CMA and staff has done a much better job getting out there and building relationships than Mullin. Not sure if Mullin's first couple classes chose us due to his name, ACs, or Lavin, but regardless it got really bad towards the end. I don't expect our recruiting to ever fall off like that.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I don’t think you can even grade Anderson’s “first year” as he had no time and grabbed a few warm bodies after all were off the board. That’s not really his first recruiting class, the 2020 class is. Agree we should all expect to improve our recruiting g classes moving forward. As far as not being involved, I’m bjt sure that’s true. We don’t know who we are in good with. This staff keeps things close to the vest. I’m not denying we need better and more highly ranked kids though, especially freshmen. I’m hoping that ball starts rolling in 2021 class when this staff has had time to recruit kids.[/quote]
Mullin got top 100 talent within his first few weeks, along with the #26 overall class. He was hired March 30 and CMA April 19. To your point though, those few weeks did make a difference as a lot less kids were on the board when CMA was hired. Mullin also had to fill an entire roster in just a couple months. Still, Mullin managed to sign players like LoVett and Ponds before ever coaching a game. I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I'll be very interested in seeing how the JUCOs perform next year.[/quote]
Difference is though that we already were on Ponds for quite a while because Lavin and co actually recruited. Mullin did zero recruiting. We had no ties to any recruits except the ones that Abdelmassih went after and there wasn’t much. Anything he had he took with him to Nebraska.[/quote]
Very fair point. One more point from me is that CMA recruited at Arkansas so some of those players he/TJ were on could have followed him here for 2019/20/21. That was seemingly one (of many) advantages of hiring a Power conference coach as opposed to a mid-major.
For the record I think CMA and staff has done a much better job getting out there and building relationships than Mullin. Not sure if Mullin's first couple classes chose us due to his name, ACs, or Lavin, but regardless it got really bad towards the end. I don't expect our recruiting to ever fall off like that.
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[quote="Steve Knortz" post=374606]Darn it. Paultzman beat me to it...
[URL]https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/01/28/tyler-beard-commits-to-georgetown/[/URL][/quote]
So Gtown has three 4 star kids coming in next year and we have 2 Juco kids and two 3 star kids?
[URL]https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/01/28/tyler-beard-commits-to-georgetown/[/URL][/quote]
So Gtown has three 4 star kids coming in next year and we have 2 Juco kids and two 3 star kids?
Not that rankings is everything, but I would like to see us get involved w some top 100 recruits.I think Posh will be good next year, but the fact remains he is a 3 star recruit and would be a frosh, people are making him out to be the next Eric Barcley, a McD AA. I also dont believe Wasu is ranked that high. On the other side of the coin Steere was a top 100 recruit.
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[quote="Adam" post=374602][quote="MCNPA" post=374584]I don’t think that our recruiting has tanked at all. We are on our third head coach in the last few years and Anderson only started this past April. We have Posh who 100% should be a top 100 player. I’m not sure why newer rankings aren’t reflecting how well he is playing this season for an excellent team. We are also bringing in at least 2 if not more juco all americans which are quality pickups. Anderson will build relationships here and we will start landing those top 50-150 kids as well and I don’t think any of our recruits are far below that range equivalency.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I’m more excited about the 2020 class with the 4+ guys than I have been since the Ponds class. These ratings don’t give the full picture. Lavin and Mullin recruited kids with a checkered history and many question marks, plus they just recruited with no strategy. CMA and company have a plan in place and are recruiting kids that want to be here and fit the system. That is the most important because it leads to less turnover and year to year change.
Lots of teams like Creighton, Gonzaga ranked highly every year while not lakes us landing the top ranked kids. Lots of other programs do it as well. Anderson and this staff know what they’re doing. They know how to win and will land recruits. Gotta give it some time though to keep improving.[/quote]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
I’m more excited about the 2020 class with the 4+ guys than I have been since the Ponds class. These ratings don’t give the full picture. Lavin and Mullin recruited kids with a checkered history and many question marks, plus they just recruited with no strategy. CMA and company have a plan in place and are recruiting kids that want to be here and fit the system. That is the most important because it leads to less turnover and year to year change.
Wow...what a game.
Fox Sports' Mike DeCourcy feels St. John's is the only bottom 5 team in the conference who still has a shot at the dance.
He (paraphrased) feels we need to protect our home court, and if we do so then he feels we could get in with our resume’.
Frankly, I don't see us going undefeated at home the rest of the way, but stranger things has happened.
He (paraphrased) feels we need to protect our home court, and if we do so then he feels we could get in with our resume’.
Frankly, I don't see us going undefeated at home the rest of the way, but stranger things has happened.
MakingPlays
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Was just on FS1 talking about Big East teams in the tournament. He has Seton Hall, Butler, Villanova, Creighton, and Marquette all firmly in. the panel asked him if a 6th team was to make it in from the Big East who has the best chance, and he said St. John's. The wins over West Virginia and Arizona were huge, those are 2 top 10 NET wins, which not many teams can claim they have that. He believes all they have to do is win their remaining home games, they don't even have to win anything on the road and they should make it in.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.
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[quote="Making Plays" post=374892]Was just on FS1 talking about Big East teams in the tournament. He has Seton Hall, Butler, Villanova, Creighton, and Marquette all firmly in. the panel asked him if a 6th team was to make it in from the Big East who has the best chance, and he said St. John's. The wins over West Virginia and Arizona were huge, those are 2 top 10 NET wins, which not many teams can claim they have that. He believes all they have to do is win their remaining home games, they don't even have to win anything on the road and they should make it in.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.[/quote]
I don't see us making the NCAA tourny, but I looked at the home games and remaining teams road record.
G-Townis 0-4, X 0-3, Marq 1-3 =1-7 Real good shot at beating those 3.
Prov & Creighton are both 2-2
Good luck going undefeated at home.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.[/quote]
I don't see us making the NCAA tourny, but I looked at the home games and remaining teams road record.
G-Townis 0-4, X 0-3, Marq 1-3 =1-7 Real good shot at beating those 3.
Prov & Creighton are both 2-2
Good luck going undefeated at home.
MakingPlays
Well-known member
[quote="CMA TIME" post=374893][quote="Making Plays" post=374892]Was just on FS1 talking about Big East teams in the tournament. He has Seton Hall, Butler, Villanova, Creighton, and Marquette all firmly in. the panel asked him if a 6th team was to make it in from the Big East who has the best chance, and he said St. John's. The wins over West Virginia and Arizona were huge, those are 2 top 10 NET wins, which not many teams can claim they have that. He believes all they have to do is win their remaining home games, they don't even have to win anything on the road and they should make it in.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.[/quote]
I don't see us making the NCAA tourny, but I looked at the home games and remaining teams road record.
G-Townis 0-4, X 0-3, Marq 1-3 =1-7 Real good shot at beating those 3.
Prov & Creighton are both 2-2
Good luck going undefeated at home.[/quote]
I don't think they'll go undefeated at home. If making a prediction i'd say they probably go 4-1 to finish at home. Possibly win 1 surprise road game. I think another factor here is, the team has played pretty well at MSG outside of the Nova game. If they can win a couple of games in the Big East tournament that would be huge.
Going to be interesting to see how things play out, the best teams in the conference have already been played at home, all the remaining home games should be very winnable and should be favored in all if not most of them.[/quote]
I don't see us making the NCAA tourny, but I looked at the home games and remaining teams road record.
G-Townis 0-4, X 0-3, Marq 1-3 =1-7 Real good shot at beating those 3.
Prov & Creighton are both 2-2
Good luck going undefeated at home.[/quote]
I don't think they'll go undefeated at home. If making a prediction i'd say they probably go 4-1 to finish at home. Possibly win 1 surprise road game. I think another factor here is, the team has played pretty well at MSG outside of the Nova game. If they can win a couple of games in the Big East tournament that would be huge.
MakingPlays
Well-known member
[quote="Adam" post=374602]
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
One thing that's not factored in is 247 hasn't ranked their JUCO players yet, in year's past they have ranked JUCO's and factored them into the class rankings. I'm almost 100% certain when/if 247 ranks JUCO's this year both Cole and Moore will be 4-stars and the class ranking will get a huge boost.
You can just look at the teams that were recruiting these guys and know they were coveted players.
Per Zagsblog...
At the time of Cole's commitment he was being recruited by N.C. State, Oregon State, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Buffalo, Fresno State and Akron. Moore was being recruited by Arkansas, LSU, Alabama, Tulsa, and Mississippi State.
SJU class rankings of the past decade (from 247 Composite):
2010: #164 (Lavin's first year- keep in mind he inherited a full roster)
2011: #7
2012: #33
2013: #88 (low because it was a 1 man class BUT that was #31 Jordan and the only position we needed to fill)
2014: #114 (this was where everyone freaked out, though Lavin did return a full primarily senior team)
2015: #26 (Mullin's first year)
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #46
2019: #159 (Anderson's first year)
2020: #65
On paper Anderon's first 2 years thus far have arguably been the worst of the 11 years relative to how many minutes we've needed to fill. 2010/2013/2014 had stacked rosters and didn't require incoming recruits. That's not the case for 2019/2020 where the majority of minutes need/needed to be replaced.
My bigger concern is we don't even seem to be seriously involved with any top 100 recruits for 2020/21/22. I've been a fan since around 2010 and I can't ever remember a time where that were the case. We struck out on a ton of 4/5 stars, but we also picked up quite a few.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying our recruiting has been bad. I just feel it might not be competitive enough in the Big East and coaching can only get you so far. This is just my own (potentially misinformed) opinion, he absolutely deserves more time and also we'll need to wait to see how good Cole/Moore/Posh/Wusu actually are before judging our 2020 class.
Sorry about derailing this thread a bit. Nice pickup today by Georgetown.[/quote]
One thing that's not factored in is 247 hasn't ranked their JUCO players yet, in year's past they have ranked JUCO's and factored them into the class rankings. I'm almost 100% certain when/if 247 ranks JUCO's this year both Cole and Moore will be 4-stars and the class ranking will get a huge boost.
You can just look at the teams that were recruiting these guys and know they were coveted players.
Per Zagsblog...
At the time of Cole's commitment he was being recruited by N.C. State, Oregon State, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Buffalo, Fresno State and Akron. Moore was being recruited by Arkansas, LSU, Alabama, Tulsa, and Mississippi State.
JohnnyFever
Active member
JUCO's are almost always seen as less talented with less of a ceiling when compared to a 4 or 5 star HS kid. That's just the truth, though there are exceptions obviously. That being said, we need to stop relying on JUCO's and transfers all the time and only use them to plug a hole or two. Otherwise we will only have mostly rental players for a year or two and they don't get that long to build chemistry together vs. a mostly HS recruit laden team. Posh and Cole are really the only ones I'm somewhat excited about, but overall the recruiting has underwhelmed thus far but obviously it's still early. If we can recruit much better it will be interesting to see the results under CMA.
I think this was a silly thing for the analyst to say btw. He's giving hope when we were already finished for tourney consideration at 2-6. We just dropped another and now 2-7. The only way we get into the tourney is winning the BET and that ain't happening. This team cannot go on any kind of winning streak in conference and they cannot shoot if their lives depended on it 99% of games. Sorry to be the splash of cold water, but I'm already looking to next year hoping Cole can actually shoot, though I have no clue if anyone else left on the team will be able to shoot.
I think this was a silly thing for the analyst to say btw. He's giving hope when we were already finished for tourney consideration at 2-6. We just dropped another and now 2-7. The only way we get into the tourney is winning the BET and that ain't happening. This team cannot go on any kind of winning streak in conference and they cannot shoot if their lives depended on it 99% of games. Sorry to be the splash of cold water, but I'm already looking to next year hoping Cole can actually shoot, though I have no clue if anyone else left on the team will be able to shoot.
MakingPlays
Well-known member
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=374896]JUCO's are almost always seen as less talented with less of a ceiling when compared to a 4 or 5 star HS kid. That's just the truth, though there are exceptions obviously. That being said, we need to stop relying on JUCO's and transfers all the time and only use them to plug a hole or two. Otherwise we will only have mostly rental players for a year or two and they don't get that long to build chemistry together vs. a mostly HS recruit laden team. Posh and Cole are really the only ones I'm somewhat excited about, but overall the recruiting has underwhelmed thus far but obviously it's still early. If we can recruit much better it will be interesting to see the results under CMA.
I think this was a silly thing for the analyst to say btw. He's giving hope when we were already finished for tourney consideration at 2-6. We just dropped another and now 2-7. The only way we get into the tourney is winning the BET and that ain't happening. This team cannot go on any kind of winning streak in conference and they cannot shoot if their lives depended on it 99% of games. Sorry to be the splash of cold water, but I'm already looking to next year hoping Cole can actually shoot, though I have no clue if anyone else left on the team will be able to shoot.[/quote]
You may not agree with him, but what he's saying is correct. The guy is paid to study teams resumes and know what the committee is looking for, he's not just throwing some random thoughts out there. Making the tournament is not based on your conference record... it's based on your NET and quality of wins. There's been teams in the past with 17 and 18 wins that have made the tournament and didn't even have a .500 conference record, that's just a fact.
St. John's already has 3 quadrant 1 wins, with 2 of those being away from their home arena. There's at least 6 more quadrant 1 opportunities on the schedule, and that's not including the Big East tournament. Now, they may not win a single one of the games, that's possible, but looking at the remaining schedule and saying the analyst is silly for saying they can still mathematically make the tournament, is simply not knowing how the NET/Quadrant system works.
I think this was a silly thing for the analyst to say btw. He's giving hope when we were already finished for tourney consideration at 2-6. We just dropped another and now 2-7. The only way we get into the tourney is winning the BET and that ain't happening. This team cannot go on any kind of winning streak in conference and they cannot shoot if their lives depended on it 99% of games. Sorry to be the splash of cold water, but I'm already looking to next year hoping Cole can actually shoot, though I have no clue if anyone else left on the team will be able to shoot.[/quote]
You may not agree with him, but what he's saying is correct. The guy is paid to study teams resumes and know what the committee is looking for, he's not just throwing some random thoughts out there. Making the tournament is not based on your conference record... it's based on your NET and quality of wins. There's been teams in the past with 17 and 18 wins that have made the tournament and didn't even have a .500 conference record, that's just a fact.
St. John's already has 3 quadrant 1 wins, with 2 of those being away from their home arena. There's at least 6 more quadrant 1 opportunities on the schedule, and that's not including the Big East tournament. Now, they may not win a single one of the games, that's possible, but looking at the remaining schedule and saying the analyst is silly for saying they can still mathematically make the tournament, is simply not knowing how the NET/Quadrant system works.
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JohnnyFever
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Big difference between mathematically possible and likely. Based on what we've seen with several Big East teams blowing us out of the water (G'Town and Nova) and our only wins coming against DePaul, I have no idea how anyone can feel confidence about tourney chances. It's mathematically possible to hit the lotto too, but it's silly to make it seem like you can really win the jackpot when you know the odds are ridiculous. I was very hopeful about tourney chances after OOC, but once again we've completely fallen flat on our face in conference play and this has been the norm for a while now. Call it lack of talent or whatever, but it's obviously not happening. Every year we have a miracle scenario to still end the season doing well after a big hole is dug. Have we ever dug out of one? I haven't been around for it if we have.
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For most teams the venue plays a big part in a team's chances to win or lose. However when dealing with SJU the opponents ability to handle the pressure defense plays just as much if not more. Because of its non existent half court offense SJU is totally dependent on its pressure defense to stay competitive.
I don't know enough about the remaining opponents backcourts to predict how they will fare vs the SJU press but they will be the telling point.
I don't know enough about the remaining opponents backcourts to predict how they will fare vs the SJU press but they will be the telling point.