Around the Big East 19/20

Can anyone explain the intentional foul by marquette in a tie ball game with 20 seconds left to send butler to the line.

Was that a brain fart by the player or was that a new coaching strategy im not aware of?
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=373942]Glad to be in the minority here. All I'm saying is that they've been very lucky. Willard's shadiness got him Whitehead and that's a fact. The reason I bring that up is because that jump started the program again and since then they never looked back. It kinda proves you may need to muck it up a bit if you want to win at a major level consistently. Plus didn't they tamper with Thompson while he was still at Cuse? They are willing to do what it takes. Not sure we are.

So they get Whitehead and then they get Powell who turned out to be one of the best players SHU has ever had. He scores practically 30 PPG most nights and if that's not putting your team on your back in college I don't know what is. They were lucky enough that he stayed all 4 years too. I'm sure Willard gets some credit for all this, but not all of it. They've had breaks and they've mucked it up. I just don't see who could ever come close to that production after he leaves. Would be like asking for another Mullin to come through our doors practically. I know many of you will immediately say "Gill", and he's a great big but bigs can't carry the scoring load for a team and are prone to injury at least more so than guards. Idk why some are saying I moved the goal post...I still think they go out early in the NCAA's like always because that's all they've done. And I still think after Powell is gone they will be setback more than you'd think. And by the way, we beat #16 Zona without Heron and that meant nothing. So don't really care about their Maryland example. Many forget just how hot Willard's seat was just a handful of years ago before Powell became Michael Jordan. SHU fanbase was calling for his head from every direction. The way they shut me up for good about SHU is if they make at least the Sweet 16 and then continue to succeed without Powell. Not saying top 10 but making tourneys regularly.[/quote]


Seton Hall has all the ingredients to be a Final Four team.
 
I think anybody on this site would wish our Program was as remotely successful as SH over the last 10 years . Willard being their Coach for that time period . Willard has out recruited Lavin, Mullin during that time frame and the Pirates success is a function of those players and Willard’s ability as a Program builder and skilled in Game Coach . Lavin had that 1 great Class of Recruits . Harrison, Sampson, Greene , Harkless, Pointer , etc . But , for all their high Ranks as HS players , Lavin never really developed them to challenge for a BE Tittle or , receive more than 1 NCAA bid , which they promptly lost in the first Round . Lavin bringing on Jordan and Obepka proved to be less than expected . Jordan was a problem from Day 1 , despite being a excellent talent . Obepka was less than his hype and his off court habits derailed his career and helped torpedo Lavin’s last season and the first round loss to San Diego ., Mullin brought on Ponds , Simon , Clark and then Figgy and Heron . Coveted players all and highly ranked . But , they too did not deliver the results we had hoped ., The Hall , conversely , had strong years throughout . The Pirates are much more than Powell and Gill. McKnight, Rhoden, Cale , Rodgers , etc are a strong roster . Much deeper than our team this year . Most of us knew this season was going to be a struggle . Our early season success was great but , even there we stumbled vs Vermont . Wins against WVA and Arizona were surprises and kudos to Coach for getting them . The BE Season , like many past seasons has been a disappointment . Our Team, flawed in multiple aspects , has suffered from opportunities lost . Butler, Providence , Seton Hall were possible wins , if the game were 35 minutes instead of 40 . But , it didn’t happen . Even Marquette was a close game at 62-60 but , again faulted in the final moments . This was a frequent occurrence during the Mullin era too. Games lost in the final moments . For us fans , our disappointment is almost 20 years . 2 Decades of pretty much bad basketball . Yes, 2 NCAAs under Lavin and 1 under Mullin . Not a happy picture . Especially with SH, Nova, PC , all original BE teams outperforming us nearly every year . Plus , relative newcomers Xavier, Creighton , Butler , Marquette beating us like drums for the most part . Thank goodness that DePaul has been in the league to prevent us from being the doormat in many seasons. What has been our long term problem ? Some of it has been Coaching but , even more has been Recruiting . We just haven’t gotten enough BE caliber players to fill our starting lineups nor , the remainder of our Roster . There is a disconnect in our Brand Identity between us and the BB community . We were essentially turned down by 3 or 4 Coaches in the search to replace Mullin . Even our new and eminently qualified AD Cragg could not get his first , second or third choices to come here and Coach . Fortunately , Coach Anderson , being just fired from Arkansas , agreed to come here . He has a good Resume . Will he rebuild our Program ? We don’t know that yet . Some signs are good so far . But , what are the Goals set for him ? Win a BE Championship ? Get us to the NCAA’s but , finish mid pack in the BE? Lose again in the first round ? More likely , in the short term , is make sure we don’t challenge DePaul for the Cellar dweller every year . That would be a failure . How long do we give Coach ? Fans and Administration here are tough . Mullin started getting heat in his second year and by the third year , most fans wanted him out the Door . Will Anderson get his 5 years ? By that time , he will be 60 years old . Not too old by current standards but , a 5 year rebuild isn’t usually enough to save a Coach’s job . Patience doesn’t stretch that long . Hopefully by Day’s end we will be 2-6 and not 1-7 . As for next season , I would say we still need a lot more talent coming in than we have in the fold at this point . We can only hope . As we have done for most of the last 20 years .
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=374107]Friars battle.but Nova wins a close one on road.[/quote]

Providence has lost 3 straight, but they've probably been more impressive in those games, then they were in building up that 4-1 Big East start.

The problem was, because they struggled so much in the non-conference, they needed at least 1 win, probably 2, in this three game stretch (tough as it was), just to get back on the NCAA Tournament Bubble.
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=374030] Fortunately , Coach Anderson , being just fired from Arkansas , agreed to come here . He has a good Resume . Will he rebuild our Program ? We don’t know that yet . Some signs are good so far . But , what are the Goals set for him ? Win a BE Championship ? Get us to the NCAA’s but , finish mid pack in the BE? Lose again in the first round ? More likely , in the short term , is make sure we don’t challenge DePaul for the Cellar dweller every year . That would be a failure . How long do we give Coach ? Fans and Administration here are tough . Mullin started getting heat in his second year and by the third year , most fans wanted him out the Door . Will Anderson get his 5 years ? By that time , he will be 60 years old . Not too old by current standards but , a 5 year rebuild isn’t usually enough to save a Coach’s job . Patience doesn’t stretch that long . Hopefully by Day’s end we will be 2-6 and not 1-7 . As for next season , I would say we still need a lot more talent coming in than we have in the fold at this point . We can only hope . As we have done for most of the last 20 years .[/quote]

I will try to be as polite as I can but your long winded post was ridiculous. I will ignore everything about Willard who the fans were ready to have fired and your flawed revisionist history about Mullin and Lavin.
Coach Anderson is already 60 years old and will be 65 in 5 years. Provided there are no scandals, which would shock me if there were any as he is in complete control at all times, the inmates are not running the asylum like under past staffs , he will be given the full duration of his contract. I fail to comprehend why you think the fan base is unhappy. I predicted 13 wins for this make shift team this year and we are already there with perhaps ten games left. The coach has implemented a system, accountability both on and off the court, a rigid practice regime and the players full attention at all times. I believe he has overachieved to date with this group and hope they can grab a few more wins prior to year end.
He and his staff are recruiting daily and are at every local event they should be at. As for recruiting he has an injured freshman sitting out and signed 4 talented players all of whom should contribute next season. 2 may be juco all Americans which I have always said is equivalent to bringing in a top 60 kid. We have an underrated 3 star pg who was injured his junior year and a tough as nails 2 guard who will finish much higher than 370 when all is said and done. The beauty of Dylan is that he will play behind the continually improving Williams for 2 years, as is done in big time programs and will not have the pressure to perform from day 1. If you think that isn’t a good class for a newly formed staff that was only all together for a complete 2.5 months before they put the 2020 class together I just don’t know what to tell you other than you don’t understand SJU bball.
And one last thing we are not a tough fan base. We are a fan base that expects our coaches to work as hard as the opposing staff, no more no less. Our last 2 coaches did not do that and that is why we were on their case and they were let go early. CMA is the exact opposite of our prior two coaches and appears to eat, sleep and breath bball. Most fans who post here seem to be enamoured with the work effort he and his staff put forth. I really don’t understand where you are coming from.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=374276][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=374030] Fortunately , Coach Anderson , being just fired from Arkansas , agreed to come here . He has a good Resume . Will he rebuild our Program ? We don’t know that yet . Some signs are good so far . But , what are the Goals set for him ? Win a BE Championship ? Get us to the NCAA’s but , finish mid pack in the BE? Lose again in the first round ? More likely , in the short term , is make sure we don’t challenge DePaul for the Cellar dweller every year . That would be a failure . How long do we give Coach ? Fans and Administration here are tough . Mullin started getting heat in his second year and by the third year , most fans wanted him out the Door . Will Anderson get his 5 years ? By that time , he will be 60 years old . Not too old by current standards but , a 5 year rebuild isn’t usually enough to save a Coach’s job . Patience doesn’t stretch that long . Hopefully by Day’s end we will be 2-6 and not 1-7 . As for next season , I would say we still need a lot more talent coming in than we have in the fold at this point . We can only hope . As we have done for most of the last 20 years .[/quote]

I will try to be as polite as I can but your long winded post was ridiculous. I will ignore everything about Willard who the fans were ready to have fired and your flawed revisionist history about Mullin and Lavin.
Coach Anderson is already 60 years old and will be 65 in 5 years. Provided there are no scandals, which would shock me if there were any as he is in complete control at all times, the inmates are not running the asylum like under past staffs , he will be given the full duration of his contract. I fail to comprehend why you think the fan base is unhappy. I predicted 13 wins for this make shift team this year and we are already there with perhaps ten games left. The coach has implemented a system, accountability both on and off the court, a rigid practice regime and the players full attention at all times. I believe he has overachieved to date with this group and hope they can grab a few more wins prior to year end.
He and his staff are recruiting daily and are at every local event they should be at. As for recruiting he has an injured freshman sitting out and signed 4 talented players all of whom should contribute next season. 2 may be juco all Americans which I have always said is equivalent to bringing in a top 60 kid. We have an underrated 3 star pg who was injured his junior year and a tough as nails 2 guard who will finish much higher than 370 when all is said and done. The beauty of Dylan is that he will play behind the continually improving Williams for 2 years, as is done in big time programs and will not have the pressure to perform from day 1. If you think that isn’t a good class for a newly formed staff that was only all together for a complete 2.5 months before they put the 2020 class together I just don’t know what to tell you other than you don’t understand SJU bball.
And one last thing we are not a tough fan base. We are a fan base that expects our coaches to work as hard as the opposing staff, no more no less. Our last 2 coaches did not do that and that is why we were on their case and they were let go early. CMA is the exact opposite of our prior two coaches and appears to eat, sleep and breath bball. Most fans who post here seem to be enamoured with the work effort he and his staff put forth. I really don’t understand where you are coming from.[/quote]

I will add to this that Williard, besides the studs that got paid, has had very mediocre recruiting classes rankings-wise. He got a lot of 0-3 star guys who he recruited to his system. To his defense he got them playing together and recruited guys for how he wanted to play, not all that different from what Mike Anderson is doing. Anderson’s recruits in the 2020 class are actually more impressive on paper than most Willards classes have been. What Willard has is continuity and that is some that SJU needs. Not just continuity but good coaching continuity. Anderson’s track record indicates that we will get that as he has been a model of consistency. Hopefully he and the staff to take hold recruiting-wise and we do start landing some of those kids that the fans are hoping for. I think Posh is one of them and btw we beat the Hall for him although their fans will deny it to the grave.
 
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I was gonna attribute Sly's post to him being hungover. But unfortunately 95% of his posts sounds like someone hungover or currently at "Happy Hour."
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=374030]I think anybody on this site would wish our Program was as remotely successful as SH over the last 10 years . Willard being their Coach for that time period . Willard has out recruited Lavin, Mullin during that time frame and the Pirates success is a function of those players and Willard’s ability as a Program builder and skilled in Game Coach . Lavin had that 1 great Class of Recruits . Harrison, Sampson, Greene , Harkless, Pointer , etc . But , for all their high Ranks as HS players , Lavin never really developed them to challenge for a BE Tittle or , receive more than 1 NCAA bid , which they promptly lost in the first Round . Lavin bringing on Jordan and Obepka proved to be less than expected . Jordan was a problem from Day 1 , despite being a excellent talent . Obepka was less than his hype and his off court habits derailed his career and helped torpedo Lavin’s last season and the first round loss to San Diego ., Mullin brought on Ponds , Simon , Clark and then Figgy and Heron . Coveted players all and highly ranked . But , they too did not deliver the results we had hoped ., The Hall , conversely , had strong years throughout . The Pirates are much more than Powell and Gill. McKnight, Rhoden, Cale , Rodgers , etc are a strong roster . Much deeper than our team this year . Most of us knew this season was going to be a struggle . Our early season success was great but , even there we stumbled vs Vermont . Wins against WVA and Arizona were surprises and kudos to Coach for getting them . The BE Season , like many past seasons has been a disappointment . Our Team, flawed in multiple aspects , has suffered from opportunities lost . Butler, Providence , Seton Hall were possible wins , if the game were 35 minutes instead of 40 . But , it didn’t happen . Even Marquette was a close game at 62-60 but , again faulted in the final moments . This was a frequent occurrence during the Mullin era too. Games lost in the final moments . For us fans , our disappointment is almost 20 years . 2 Decades of pretty much bad basketball . Yes, 2 NCAAs under Lavin and 1 under Mullin . Not a happy picture . Especially with SH, Nova, PC , all original BE teams outperforming us nearly every year . Plus , relative newcomers Xavier, Creighton , Butler , Marquette beating us like drums for the most part . Thank goodness that DePaul has been in the league to prevent us from being the doormat in many seasons. What has been our long term problem ? Some of it has been Coaching but , even more has been Recruiting . We just haven’t gotten enough BE caliber players to fill our starting lineups nor , the remainder of our Roster . There is a disconnect in our Brand Identity between us and the BB community . We were essentially turned down by 3 or 4 Coaches in the search to replace Mullin . Even our new and eminently qualified AD Cragg could not get his first , second or third choices to come here and Coach . Fortunately , Coach Anderson , being just fired from Arkansas , agreed to come here . He has a good Resume . Will he rebuild our Program ? We don’t know that yet . Some signs are good so far . But , what are the Goals set for him ? Win a BE Championship ? Get us to the NCAA’s but , finish mid pack in the BE? Lose again in the first round ? More likely , in the short term , is make sure we don’t challenge DePaul for the Cellar dweller every year . That would be a failure . How long do we give Coach ? Fans and Administration here are tough . Mullin started getting heat in his second year and by the third year , most fans wanted him out the Door . Will Anderson get his 5 years ? By that time , he will be 60 years old . Not too old by current standards but , a 5 year rebuild isn’t usually enough to save a Coach’s job . Patience doesn’t stretch that long . Hopefully by Day’s end we will be 2-6 and not 1-7 . As for next season , I would say we still need a lot more talent coming in than we have in the fold at this point . We can only hope . As we have done for most of the last 20 years .[/quote] And the longest post of 2020 without using paragraphs goes to............ :)
 
Per Shannon Russell

NET check-up: Entering today's game, Creighton is No. 26 and Xavier is No. 61. A potential Quad 1 win for the Musketeers, and a difficult place to claim one. The Bluejays are 11-1 at home.
 
UConn loses at home in OT to Tulsa is tied for last place and 10-9 overall. My heart breaks :)
 
BIG EAST NET Rankings (1/26/20)

Five @BIGEASTMBB squads ranked in Top 26 & all current teams are in Top 80!

#8 Butler
#12 Seton Hall
#14 Villanova
#25 Marquette
#26 Creighton
#53 Georgetown
#59 Xavier
#66 St. John's
#67 DePaul
#80 Providence
#86 UConn (Next Season)
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=374345]Per Shannon Russell

NET check-up: Entering today's game, Creighton is No. 26 and Xavier is No. 61. A potential Quad 1 win for the Musketeers, and a difficult place to claim one. The Bluejays are 11-1 at home.[/quote]

I had to turn the channel. I couldn't deal with the live access of the coaches during the game.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=374381]UConn loses at home in OT to Tulsa is tied for last place and 10-9 overall. My heart breaks :)[/quote]

I truly hope they continue their losing ways when they enter the BE!
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=374399][quote="Paultzman" post=374345]Per Shannon Russell

NET check-up: Entering today's game, Creighton is No. 26 and Xavier is No. 61. A potential Quad 1 win for the Musketeers, and a difficult place to claim one. The Bluejays are 11-1 at home.[/quote]

I had to turn the channel. I couldn't deal with the live access of the coaches during the game.[/quote]

I like the Live Access. Very interesting to hear the coaches, especially in their conversations with the refs.
 
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Source: Top 50 recruit Keon Edwards just verbally committed to DePaul. He took an official visit to campus this past weekend.
Evan Daniels

DePaul now sits with the top-rated 2021 class in America. They are the lone program to boast two Rivals150 commitments. In the fall, Ahamad Bynum, a tough scorer from the local Simeon Career Academy, gave his verbal pledge to the Blue Demons.
 
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