Around the Big East 18/19

[quote="Room112" post=320997]
Ponds has been listed as a second round pick in every mock draft this year FYI[/quote]

Second round isn't guaranteed contract. Plus I wonder many second rounders make team vs. toil in G League.

Of course, if he gets drafted in second round and has monster career from the get-go on a short contract, can he make huge money quicker, or does NBA cap how much more you can make at a certain percentage?
 
I think SP will probably leave also and make decent money somewhere but he will fall off the face of the earth as far as recognition. If he were to wait one more year, he would be right up there in the Natl POY conversations and he would be relevant for another year and who knows what happens to his draft status. To me, it is worth the gamble to stay in school one more year, however, I understand where thiese players are coming from and the $ calls.
 
Redmen88 wrote: I think SP will probably leave also and make decent money somewhere but he will fall off the face of the earth as far as recognition. If he were to wait one more year, he would be right up there in the Natl POY conversations and he would be relevant for another year and who knows what happens to his draft status. To me, it is worth the gamble to stay in school one more year, however, I understand where thiese players are coming from and the $ calls.

As much as I'd love to see Shamorie return from a SJU basketball perspective, I'm not sure how much he has to gain personally vis-à-vis the NBA from returning and he has to balance that against the ever present risk of injury if he does. He will likely be a second round draft pick if we and he finish well this year and the same could be true if he returns as he won't get bigger or more athletic and he has improved in the areas the scouts told him to. As far as National POY who knows what superstar freshman he would have to compete with next year, the top candidates tend to be underclassmen.
I think Mustapha is a different case as there are some areas he can still improve on with more college play (especially improving his play off the dribble) and he'd be one of, if not the featured guy(s) next year with Shamorie gone. But understand he likely feels differently and wish him the best either way.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=321007]Redmen88 wrote: I think SP will probably leave also and make decent money somewhere but he will fall off the face of the earth as far as recognition. If he were to wait one more year, he would be right up there in the Natl POY conversations and he would be relevant for another year and who knows what happens to his draft status. To me, it is worth the gamble to stay in school one more year, however, I understand where thiese players are coming from and the $ calls.

As much as I'd love to see Shamorie return from a SJU basketball perspective, I'm not sure how much he has to gain personally vis-à-vis the NBA from returning and he has to balance that against the ever present risk of injury if he does. He will likely be a second round draft pick if we and he finish well this year and the same could be true if he returns as he won't get bigger or more athletic and he has improved in the areas the scouts told him to. As far as National POY who knows what superstar freshman he would have to compete with next year, the top candidates tend to be underclassmen.
I think Mustapha is a different case as there are some areas he can still improve on with more college play (especially improving his play off the dribble) and he'd be one of, if not the featured guy(s) next year with Shamorie gone. But understand he likely feels differently and wish him the best either way.[/quote]

I guess my point is he would have 1 more year of being relevant. He probably is not in the top 3 for POY but at least he is in the conversation and would enjoy 1 more year in the limelight. He is not going to sign a lucrative contract at the end of this year and he has as good a chance of getting hurt in Turkey or China or D League as he does in college, so he would only forgo his first overseas guaranteed contract amount by staying. Again, I too feel as if it is a forgone conclusion that he is gone but there is food for thought for him.
 
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[quote="Redmen88" post=321006]I think SP will probably leave also and make decent money somewhere but he will fall off the face of the earth as far as recognition. If he were to wait one more year, he would be right up there in the Natl POY conversations and he would be relevant for another year and who knows what happens to his draft status. To me, it is worth the gamble to stay in school one more year, however, I understand where these players are coming from and the $ calls.[/quote]

Perfect example of why it should be like NHL model. Make everyone eligible and allow teams to stash player back in college.

Contract starts paying once team decides to promote the kid (no midseason call-ups, though). Taking it one step further, if kid never makes team or suffers career-ending injury, allow team to devise fair payment plan that doesn't get included in salary-capped payroll.

So if Ponds got drafted 30th and sent back to school but lost a limb, the team would have to still pay him his $9,290,258, but they could spread it over 40 years.
 
Ponds clearly put in the work he needed to do, in order to improve his NBA prospects. That has been evident in his play this year.

So, if it's not happening in the draft this year for him, then it will likely never happen. With that being the case, I would totally understand if he wants to start making money somewhere.
 
I agree that Ponds staying another year might not benefit him. Players have been told that "you can come back next year but your status as a potential draftee is not going to change" so, they come out. Not everyone comes out because they are a lottery or a first round pick. They come out when they do to make money and they are sick of school. As NC Johnnie says, Ponds athleticism or his height is not going to change and he has improved in the areas he was told he needed to improve on. Heron's height is not a negative like Ponds' but he does need work on his game.

And no, we aren't the only program that has kids leave who weren't drafted. Nova had a guard a few years ago and Sampson left LSU last year. There are others.
 
Shamorie likely turns pro, whether drafted by the NBA or not. Seems that's what he wants to do.
Thinking Heron and Simon return and that--along with Figgy, Mack, Wright, Keita, Manuel, Steere, Williams, and Caraher, plus a couple solid HS recruits--puts us in the mix in the BEC next season.
Let's pile up some big wins the rest of this season to make the odds of getting top recruits even better.
 
I hear you but I think Shamorie would bet that if he gets drafted, even in the second round, he will make the NBA team that drafts him and that is not a crazy conclusion; both the Knicks & Nets 2018 #2 draft picks are on the team and get playing time.
 
Ponds was strongly considering leaving after last year even though it was obvious he wasn't going to be drafted. With the year he's having, there is no improvement he could make next year that would raise his profile further. The NBA knows who he is.

That being said, I believe he's been vocal about wanting to take care of his family. No chance he comes back.
 
[quote="Room112" post=321022]Ponds was strongly considering leaving after last year even though it was obvious he wasn't going to be drafted. With the year he's having, there is no improvement he could make next year that would raise his profile further. The NBA knows who he is.

That being said, I believe he's been vocal about wanting to take care of his family. No chance he comes back.[/quote]

Agree. Another consideration for the players is how fertile the draft looks.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=321010]Ponds clearly put in the work he needed to do, in order to improve his NBA prospects. That has been evident in his play this year.

So, if it's not happening in the draft this year for him, then it will likely never happen. With that being the case, I would totally understand if he wants to start making money somewhere.[/quote]

That's the biggest issue. He's not going to grow. His arms aren't going to get longer. He can improve his shooting and athleticism just as easily on a pro team as he can in college. Would love for him to come back, but that's the selfish fan who's never walked a mile in his shoes in me talking.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=321011]I agree that Ponds staying another year might not benefit him. Players have been told that "you can come back next year but your status as a potential draftee is not going to change" so, they come out. Not everyone comes out because they are a lottery or a first round pick. They come out when they do to make money and they are sick of school. As NC Johnnie says, Ponds athleticism or his height is not going to change and he has improved in the areas he was told he needed to improve on. Heron's height is not a negative like Ponds' but he does need work on his game.

And no, we aren't the only program that has kids leave who weren't drafted. Nova had a guard a few years ago and Sampson left LSU last year. There are others.[/quote]

Malik Newman, Rawle Alkins, Trevon Duval last year.
 
Generally, my starting point has always been that if a kid can get drafted in the first round and get a guaranteed contract then he should go and if he can't then he should stay. However, most of these kids grow up in situations that are much tougher than the fans and tougher than what I grew up in. Bottom line, if he has the ability to go make a couple hundred thousand a year playing ball then I'm not in the position to tell him not to do it. It's a personal choice and one that I hope is made with good information. If that's done, then I'm happy for them and wish them well regardless of the road taken.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=320932][quote="NCJohnnie" post=320927]Ray Morgan wrote:Ewing doing a nice job at Georgetown. McClung a real nice find as he was a 3*. They have at least 3 other players who already contribute and have a lot of upside. They have been in every game, and like us with Seton Hall, must be upset about blowing that 4 point lead to us at home. Next season, they have to replace Govan. Not sure if they have someone in mind.

They just signed a highly thought of four star big out of HS (beat out Syracuse) plus they have the NC State transfer Yurtseven (averaged 14 and 7 for the Wolfpack last year). They will be in good shape up front as Leblanc also will be back.[/quote]

Totally forgot about the kid Yurtseven. Yeah that is big time. Rememebr they have 3 freshmen LeBlanc, Akinjo and McClung playing major roles already. They obviously lose Govan and Kaleb Johnson but he is going to have a real nice roster next year.[/quote]
What’s really impressive is that the freshmen they brought in relegated a couple already good starters to the bench, giving them good depth.
 
I'm thinking of visiting my daughter in NYC during the BE tournament and buying 1 ticket to the Thursday afternoon session and 3 to the Thursday evening session. Has anyone bought tickets through SeatGeek? Looks like a fairly reputable site with decent reviews but I've never used them (or any of the reseller sites). Thanks in advance for any input.
 
[quote="Section3" post=321040][quote="fordham96" post=320932][quote="NCJohnnie" post=320927]Ray Morgan wrote:Ewing doing a nice job at Georgetown. McClung a real nice find as he was a 3*. They have at least 3 other players who already contribute and have a lot of upside. They have been in every game, and like us with Seton Hall, must be upset about blowing that 4 point lead to us at home. Next season, they have to replace Govan. Not sure if they have someone in mind.

They just signed a highly thought of four star big out of HS (beat out Syracuse) plus they have the NC State transfer Yurtseven (averaged 14 and 7 for the Wolfpack last year). They will be in good shape up front as Leblanc also will be back.[/quote]

Totally forgot about the kid Yurtseven. Yeah that is big time. Rememebr they have 3 freshmen LeBlanc, Akinjo and McClung playing major roles already. They obviously lose Govan and Kaleb Johnson but he is going to have a real nice roster next year.[/quote]
What’s really impressive is that the freshmen they brought in relegated a couple already good starters to the bench, giving them good depth.[/quote]. Akingo and McClung are going to be a terrific duo for the Hoyas for years to come . LeBlanc is likely the better pro prospect and might even defect after this Season . He has the stuff the NBA wants in very young Players . I guess Akingo wasn’t interested in playing for Hurley at UConn? Or, just wanted out fearing NCAA sanctions , which seemingly haven’t gone anywhere , except the proverbial slap on wrist . McClung , from what I have learned was going to Rutgers of all places? Don’t know how he wound up a Hoya . They are terrific players , making big time contributions , while just Rookies .
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=321086]I'm thinking of visiting my daughter in NYC during the BE tournament and buying 1 ticket to the Thursday afternoon session and 3 to the Thursday evening session. Has anyone bought tickets through SeatGeek? Looks like a fairly reputable site with decent reviews but I've never used them (or any of the reseller sites). Thanks in advance for any input.[/quote]

Very reliable and safe way to purchase tickets. Them and Stubhub are real good. Check both and go with the one that gives you best price. Closer you get to game time, the cheaper the tickets get. Try to purchase tickets that can be downloaded electronically. Makes life much easier. Some BET tickets have to be picked up in Stubhub location close to Garden. A little annoying, It also works to your benefit if SJU is later game in either session on Thursday. I am assuming we avoid Wednesday night again. That would be brutal.

Hope that helps.
 
[quote="austour" post=321027][quote="SJU85" post=321011]I agree that Ponds staying another year might not benefit him. Players have been told that "you can come back next year but your status as a potential draftee is not going to change" so, they come out. Not everyone comes out because they are a lottery or a first round pick. They come out when they do to make money and they are sick of school. As NC Johnnie says, Ponds athleticism or his height is not going to change and he has improved in the areas he was told he needed to improve on. Heron's height is not a negative like Ponds' but he does need work on his game.

And no, we aren't the only program that has kids leave who weren't drafted. Nova had a guard a few years ago and Sampson left LSU last year. There are others.[/quote]

Malik Newman, Rawle Alkins, Trevon Duval last year.[/quote]

Alkins another example of how grass isn't greener. If you're good enough to make NBA you will with St. John's or Arizona. Ponds stayed so he can be the man here at home and he's all over the place. Alkins was just another player in shadows at Zona. You can stay home and stand out a ton and make the NBA, or you can go to a bigger program but blend in. Briscoe yet another cautionary tale. Cheick Diallo too.
 
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