Around the Big East 18/19

[quote="ron " post=315162][quote="Monte" post=315152]I haven’t been able to find the minute distributions, but only 5 guys scored for Marquette. And Howard wasn’t one of them.[/quote]

Here is the box score with minute distributions:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083257[/quote]

They played nine including Howard, 8 after Howard went out.

Keep in mind they were also missing Ed Morrow.

Now picture SJU missing BOTH Ponds and Keita. And they had to reach down and play Ellington and Roberts last night against a Georgetown on the road. Or play Williams the type of minutes that freshman Brendan Bailey played for Marquette last night. He guarded one on one Akinjo at the end playing stellar defense. Then you will start to see my point. There is a HUGE drop off once SJU goes to the bench. That is my larger point. Not simply minutes or playing kids. Chris doesn't trust those kids unless he absolutely has to (foul trouble or fouling out). I wouldn't either. Marquette has more quality players even though SJU's starting 5 is as good if not better than any BE team.

No way they win that Georgetown game last night under the same circumstances that Marquette did.

After 4 years it is inconceivable to me that even with Keita SJU cannot land a bona fide post presence let alone have multiple kids who can play and guard people down low.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=315147]Marquette wins without their best player against G'Town...AT G'Town. Why can't we beat DePaul at home without Ponds? Also don't forget Mizzou making tourney without Michael Porter last year. Coaching folks.[/quote]

Here we go lol....
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=315146]Nice win by the Warriors, especially without Howard. They said he has back issues, apparently it’s contagious.[/quote]

Wonder how many of their fans will doubt he is injured, question his heart and feel no matter how uniformed about the injury they are nor how severe it might be, he should just suck it up and play.
 
Still early, but Nova & Marquette are very likely to dance. It is critical for SJU to make some noise quickly, since it will be a battle for two remaining dance card spots. With so much BE ”canibalization”, hard to envision more than four BE bids imo.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=315211]Still early, but Nova & Marquette are very likely to dance. It is critical for SJU to make some noise quickly, since it will be a battle for two remaining dance card spots. With so much BE ”canibalization”, hard to envision more than four BE bids imo.[/quote]

Very good point. Unless things change drastically, it appears we'll be battling Seton Hall and Creighton for those final two spots. So that makes tonight's game even more important. Butler and Providence still have a shot to sneak into the picture, but they seem more of longshots.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=315263][quote="Room112" post=315171][quote="Mike Zaun" post=315147]Marquette wins without their best player against G'Town...AT G'Town. Why can't we beat DePaul at home without Ponds? Also don't forget Mizzou making tourney without Michael Porter last year. Coaching folks.[/quote]

Here we go lol....[/quote]

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1085385276845944832[/quote]

To me, Howard is a great scorer, but such an incomplete player. Yet he gets so many accolades. Just for example, he's shooting 43% from the field. He's also not a very good defender.

When you compare to Ponds, who averages a few less points, but shoots nearly 50% this year. He's also leading the league in steals and assists, and plays improved defense.

I guess it's just the media placing so much emphasis on the splashy numbers and highlights.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=315169][quote="ron " post=315162][quote="Monte" post=315152]I haven’t been able to find the minute distributions, but only 5 guys scored for Marquette. And Howard wasn’t one of them.[/quote]

Here is the box score with minute distributions:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083257[/quote]

They played nine including Howard, 8 after Howard went out.

Keep in mind they were also missing Ed Morrow.

Now picture SJU missing BOTH Ponds and Keita. And they had to reach down and play Ellington and Roberts last night against a Georgetown on the road. Or play Williams the type of minutes that freshman Brendan Bailey played for Marquette last night. He guarded one on one Akinjo at the end playing stellar defense. Then you will start to see my point. There is a HUGE drop off once SJU goes to the bench. That is my larger point. Not simply minutes or playing kids. Chris doesn't trust those kids unless he absolutely has to (foul trouble or fouling out). I wouldn't either. Marquette has more quality players even though SJU's starting 5 is as good if not better than any BE team.

No way they win that Georgetown game last night under the same circumstances that Marquette did.

After 4 years it is inconceivable to me that even with Keita SJU cannot land a bona fide post presence let alone have multiple kids who can play and guard people down low.[/quote]

Easy there Ram!
That sounds perilously close to wash, rinse, repeat.;)
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=315147]Marquette wins without their best player against G'Town...AT G'Town. Why can't we beat DePaul at home without Ponds? Also don't forget Mizzou making tourney without Michael Porter last year. Coaching folks.[/quote]

It's not coaching, it's personnel. We have precisely one player that can handle point guard after Dixon left. That player, who happens to also be the best player in the country, was hurt.

Marquette has Chartouny to play PG--he averaged 4.6 to 6.2 assists per year in three years in the A-10.

I hope we dont make the same mistake next year with a soph is his fourth college.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=315277][quote="Mike Zaun" post=315147]Marquette wins without their best player against G'Town...AT G'Town. Why can't we beat DePaul at home without Ponds? Also don't forget Mizzou making tourney without Michael Porter last year. Coaching folks.[/quote]

It's not coaching, it's personnel. We have precisely one player that can handle point guard after Dixon left. That player, who happens to also be the best player in the country, was hurt.

Marquette has Chartouny to play PG--he averaged 4.6 to 6.2 assists per year in three years in the A-10.

I hope we dont make the same mistake next year with a soph is his fourth college.[/quote]

I love your Shamorie love but even I know he's not the best player in the country. In fact this back "thing" may cement him into the 2nd round of the NBA draft as the 7th best PG in the 2019 draft.
Mikey Dixon was not a Big East level point guard.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=315282][quote="Marillac" post=315277][quote="Mike Zaun" post=315147]Marquette wins without their best player against G'Town...AT G'Town. Why can't we beat DePaul at home without Ponds? Also don't forget Mizzou making tourney without Michael Porter last year. Coaching folks.[/quote]

It's not coaching, it's personnel. We have precisely one player that can handle point guard after Dixon left. That player, who happens to also be the best player in the country, was hurt.

Marquette has Chartouny to play PG--he averaged 4.6 to 6.2 assists per year in three years in the A-10.

I hope we dont make the same mistake next year with a soph is his fourth college.[/quote]

I love your Shamorie love but even I know he's not the best player in the country. In fact this back "thing" may cement him into the 2nd round of the NBA draft as the 7th best PG in the 2019 draft.
Mikey Dixon was not a Big East level point guard.[/quote]

Ponds is the best player in the country. I don't disagree with you on Dixon, but I don't think he has to be a Big East level starting PG to have led us to a win over DePaul. I don't think Chartouny is a Big East starting PG but he is enough to hold serve for a game or two.

We really need a kid that can play PG next year...a kid capable of starting.
 
After WAtching GTown vs Marquette, it really shows what a killer league the BE is , from top to bottom . Marquette , without Howard , still has quite a arsenal in the Hauser Bros .! GTown could nkt handle them on Defense . I love the 2 Smurfs , playing as Akingo and McClung for G town . They are going to be a nightmare for opponents in the next 3 years . Although, I do believe Akingo made a huge mistake going to the hoop with the game in the balance , And , I doubt Ewing was happy with it either . Better play should be to get it to Govan at all costs . Anyway, Marquette is better without Howard than we are without Ponds . Shamorie is critical to everything we do . Handling the Ball, making plays for others, Stealing the ball , Rebounding, Scoring are the things he does . Howard has a lot more help in all those areas . Plus a deeper bench . We have no PG in the DePaul game without Ponds . Simon is a stop gap, not a Playmaker and operating from outside is not a Shooting threat , so he is easily defended . We beat Marquette in our Court because we shut Howard down , one of the few teams to do so . We made him play defense ,posted him up and had bigger players , Simon , hounding him . He got in foul trouble and was a non factor . And, The Hausers were not as effective in our game as they were against the Hoyas . I was a little surprised that Govan could not handle Theo John , who had a monster game . Lastly , how amazing that Butler absolutely crushed DePaul at home .. They took Femi out of the game and Struss and Cain played poorly . DePaul looked like the last plac e team of years gone by . But, they beat us , without Shamorie . Butler will be tough at Hinkle on Saturday .
 
[quote="usguard" post=315779]We have a very good pt guard coming Cameron Mack[/quote]

He cannot be the only PG. The DePaul game should have made that clear to all of us. Two words: Nurideen Lindsey.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=315805]After WAtching GTown vs Marquette, it really shows what a killer league the BE is , from top to bottom . Marquette , without Howard , still has quite a arsenal in the Hauser Bros .! GTown could nkt handle them on Defense . I love the 2 Smurfs , playing as Akingo and McClung for G town . They are going to be a nightmare for opponents in the next 3 years . Although, I do believe Akingo made a huge mistake going to the hoop with the game in the balance , And , I doubt Ewing was happy with it either . Better play should be to get it to Govan at all costs . Anyway, Marquette is better without Howard than we are without Ponds . Shamorie is critical to everything we do . Handling the Ball, making plays for others, Stealing the ball , Rebounding, Scoring are the things he does . Howard has a lot more help in all those areas . Plus a deeper bench . We have no PG in the DePaul game without Ponds . Simon is a stop gap, not a Playmaker and operating from outside is not a Shooting threat , so he is easily defended . We beat Marquette in our Court because we shut Howard down , one of the few teams to do so . We made him play defense ,posted him up and had bigger players , Simon , hounding him . He got in foul trouble and was a non factor . And, The Hausers were not as effective in our game as they were against the Hoyas . I was a little surprised that Govan could not handle Theo John , who had a monster game . Lastly , how amazing that Butler absolutely crushed DePaul at home .. They took Femi out of the game and Struss and Cain played poorly . DePaul looked like the last plac e team of years gone by . But, they beat us , without Shamorie . Butler will be tough at Hinkle on Saturday .[/quote]

Two thoughts:

(1) Marquette's success without Howard the last two seasons v how inept we are without Ponds needs to be heavily factored by anyone with a say for Big East POY and other awards.

(2) I believe the younger Hauser will be the best NBA player of all the guys currently in the conference. I moved him past Alexander after what I saw in our game against Creighton. Very impressive kid.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=315806][quote="usguard" post=315779]We have a very good pt guard coming Cameron Mack[/quote]

He cannot be the only PG. The DePaul game should have made that clear to all of us. Two words: Nurideen Lindsey.[/quote]. oh no! Nurideen , from the Lavin era , was wrong from day 1 and left us in the lurch , never to live up to his hype elsewhere . You are Wright though .. pun intended . Is Eli a point or shooting guard for next year ? And , do we really know what Williams is ? A PG or SG ? Ponds has done what the NBA wanted from him . Make plays for others , tighten Defense , go the hoop as often as he shoots 3’s and Rebound too . I think he has sacrificed some scoring for himself to do the other things and that is why , I still think he is BE POY . But, Howard is having a monster year scoring . It will be interesting to see how BE Coaches vote at year end . Ponds has my vote , because he does it all ..
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=315350] ... We really need a kid that can play PG next year...a kid capable of starting.[/quote]
Luther Muhammad? :(
 
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