Around the Big East 18/19
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[quote="Paultzman" post=307971]Jordan Tucker, who transferred to @ButlerMBB from @DukeMBB , will be eligible to play his first game Saturday vs. Indiana
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On Sunday, the Big East and Madison Square Garden jointly announced a coup for the 39-year-old conference: MSG would continue to host the Big East tournament through 2028, putting an extension on a previous deal and effectively keeping the league as the primary March tenant of The World's Most Famous Arena.
Under the previous arrangement, according to a source, an opt-out was in play for 2022. Now the opt-outs are no longer part of the contract.
"It's essentially an air-tight agreement," Big East commissioner Val Ackerman told CBS Sports.
Ackerman said the league was not in discussion about expansion right now, but when pressed, did admit that more than three schools have approached the Big East about potentially joining the conference.
"We do talk about it internally," Ackerman said. "I think every conference commissioner worth their salt has to be thinking about it in terms of long-term, where your league is and [evaluating] the future. But at this point, our schools are very satisfied with the current 10 programs and 10-school setup."
If expansion came to be in the Big East, Ackerman said going to 11 would be most ideal and "very workable" because it could allow the double round-robin intra-league scheduling to remain in place. Going to 12 or more schools would eliminate that, and given that Creighton AD Bruce Rasmussen is coming off a year in which he was the selection committee chair, his input on the value of round-robin scheduling -- when it comes to NCAA Tournament evaluation -- carries a lot of weight.
The Big East is also in wait-and-see mode as to how 20 league games -- and the new NET rankings -- affect other big conferences when it comes to seeding and selection. As it stands now, most Big East teams are already guaranteed 20 high-major games because there's 18 conferences tilts, the Gavitt Games with the Big Ten in November and the Big East-Big 12 series, which started this season.
What schools make for ideal candidates? The rumor mill has consistently put out a litany of programs, many of them currently in the A-10, such as Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Rhode Island, Davidson and Saint Joseph's. A source previously told me that Gonzaga even informally debated the idea. And of course, there's UConn, which has a fanbase aching to get back into the Big East. But it's football program and all the money attached to that currently stands as a logistical hurdle, if not 100-foot wall.
Ackerman said any school up for consideration would have to check a lot of boxes before entering into real discussion.
"Geography would be important," she said. "Commitment to basketball would probably be the No. 1 thing, the notion that they would be additive as it relates to our basketball prospects. Are they going to help secure our chances every year of getting into the NCAA Tournament? Possible No. 2: Would they help us with our tournament? Would they bring fans to Madison Square Garden?"
The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.
Circling back to the MSG contract, Ackerman got a deal done that is obviously massive for the Big East. The schedule will remain the same (Ackerman said keeping the Big East tournament at the same point on the calendar was "critically important" to league coaches), meaning the tournament will continue to be played in the days before Selection Sunday. MSG has hosted the Big East tournament dating back to 1983, making it the longest running postseason conference tournament in college basketball continuously held at one venue.
Ackerman's longstanding working relationship with Joel Fisher, who effectively runs Madison Square Garden, played a significant part. Ackerman told CBS Sports that she and Fisher began talks on renegotiating the Big East/MSG deal last spring, less than two months removed from the Big Ten's experiment to play its league tournament at MSG the week before the Big East's regularly scheduled slot.
"It wasn't lost on us that other conferences were interested in having a presence, so at least from that standpoint, that was motivation for us to move as soon as we had the opportunity," Ackerman told CBS Sports.
An official proposal was put forth to the Big East in early November. Things moved quickly from there. The vote was unanimous within the league to move forward, which is notable given the league now has schools in Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Ackerman said those schools and coaches "from the beginning understood the value of putting our tournament in Madison Square Garden."
"From both sides, ours and the Garden, this had a lot to do with history and tradition and loyalty," Ackerman said. "For us, there really was no second choice. This is an enormous part of who we are as a conference."
There was never officially an ultimatum or deadline put on the Big East, but with the Big Ten and ACC clearly poking around, getting this done as quickly as possible was essentially priority No. 1 for the conference over the previous six months. If you're curious on some of the financials, the Garden charges the Big East a licensing fee for use of the building and all staffing. The Big East keeps the tournament ticket revenue, while the Garden keeps the food and beverage revenue. The deal helps fund Big East championships across 22 sports in the conference.
Fox broadcasting also pays the Big East a rights fee annually. That network is in its sixth year of a 12-year deal and Ackerman said discussions about the league's arrangement with that network have not been had yet.
"Technically, this Garden deal now runs past the Fox deal by three years," she said. "So that, I think, is a positive in terms of our positioning."
On Sunday, the Big East and Madison Square Garden jointly announced a coup for the 39-year-old conference: MSG would continue to host the Big East tournament through 2028, putting an extension on a previous deal and effectively keeping the league as the primary March tenant of The World's Most Famous Arena.
Under the previous arrangement, according to a source, an opt-out was in play for 2022. Now the opt-outs are no longer part of the contract.
"It's essentially an air-tight agreement," Big East commissioner Val Ackerman told CBS Sports.
Ackerman said the league was not in discussion about expansion right now, but when pressed, did admit that more than three schools have approached the Big East about potentially joining the conference.
"We do talk about it internally," Ackerman said. "I think every conference commissioner worth their salt has to be thinking about it in terms of long-term, where your league is and [evaluating] the future. But at this point, our schools are very satisfied with the current 10 programs and 10-school setup."
If expansion came to be in the Big East, Ackerman said going to 11 would be most ideal and "very workable" because it could allow the double round-robin intra-league scheduling to remain in place. Going to 12 or more schools would eliminate that, and given that Creighton AD Bruce Rasmussen is coming off a year in which he was the selection committee chair, his input on the value of round-robin scheduling -- when it comes to NCAA Tournament evaluation -- carries a lot of weight.
The Big East is also in wait-and-see mode as to how 20 league games -- and the new NET rankings -- affect other big conferences when it comes to seeding and selection. As it stands now, most Big East teams are already guaranteed 20 high-major games because there's 18 conferences tilts, the Gavitt Games with the Big Ten in November and the Big East-Big 12 series, which started this season.
What schools make for ideal candidates? The rumor mill has consistently put out a litany of programs, many of them currently in the A-10, such as Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Rhode Island, Davidson and Saint Joseph's. A source previously told me that Gonzaga even informally debated the idea. And of course, there's UConn, which has a fanbase aching to get back into the Big East. But it's football program and all the money attached to that currently stands as a logistical hurdle, if not 100-foot wall.
Ackerman said any school up for consideration would have to check a lot of boxes before entering into real discussion.
"Geography would be important," she said. "Commitment to basketball would probably be the No. 1 thing, the notion that they would be additive as it relates to our basketball prospects. Are they going to help secure our chances every year of getting into the NCAA Tournament? Possible No. 2: Would they help us with our tournament? Would they bring fans to Madison Square Garden?"
The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.
Circling back to the MSG contract, Ackerman got a deal done that is obviously massive for the Big East. The schedule will remain the same (Ackerman said keeping the Big East tournament at the same point on the calendar was "critically important" to league coaches), meaning the tournament will continue to be played in the days before Selection Sunday. MSG has hosted the Big East tournament dating back to 1983, making it the longest running postseason conference tournament in college basketball continuously held at one venue.
Ackerman's longstanding working relationship with Joel Fisher, who effectively runs Madison Square Garden, played a significant part. Ackerman told CBS Sports that she and Fisher began talks on renegotiating the Big East/MSG deal last spring, less than two months removed from the Big Ten's experiment to play its league tournament at MSG the week before the Big East's regularly scheduled slot.
"It wasn't lost on us that other conferences were interested in having a presence, so at least from that standpoint, that was motivation for us to move as soon as we had the opportunity," Ackerman told CBS Sports.
An official proposal was put forth to the Big East in early November. Things moved quickly from there. The vote was unanimous within the league to move forward, which is notable given the league now has schools in Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Ackerman said those schools and coaches "from the beginning understood the value of putting our tournament in Madison Square Garden."
"From both sides, ours and the Garden, this had a lot to do with history and tradition and loyalty," Ackerman said. "For us, there really was no second choice. This is an enormous part of who we are as a conference."
There was never officially an ultimatum or deadline put on the Big East, but with the Big Ten and ACC clearly poking around, getting this done as quickly as possible was essentially priority No. 1 for the conference over the previous six months. If you're curious on some of the financials, the Garden charges the Big East a licensing fee for use of the building and all staffing. The Big East keeps the tournament ticket revenue, while the Garden keeps the food and beverage revenue. The deal helps fund Big East championships across 22 sports in the conference.
Fox broadcasting also pays the Big East a rights fee annually. That network is in its sixth year of a 12-year deal and Ackerman said discussions about the league's arrangement with that network have not been had yet.
"Technically, this Garden deal now runs past the Fox deal by three years," she said. "So that, I think, is a positive in terms of our positioning."
Per Mike Hopkins
"The BIG EAST Conference and Providence College will hold a press conference with a major announcement on Tuesday, December 18 at 1:00 p.m. in the Ruane Development Center on the campus of Providence College," per a release sent out by Providence. Hmm... #pcbb #gofriars
"The BIG EAST Conference and Providence College will hold a press conference with a major announcement on Tuesday, December 18 at 1:00 p.m. in the Ruane Development Center on the campus of Providence College," per a release sent out by Providence. Hmm... #pcbb #gofriars
Sanctions?
Let’s see.
-If it’s not Big East expansion (Providence AD said so)
-Not any sanctions ( it wouldn’t be worth a big announcement)
-Nothing new with Fox (Providence AD said so)
The only thing Big I can see is maybe the creation of an Academic Consortium I guess. The Big East already has a graduate and career fair one.
Even though I wish it was a team expansion.
-If it’s not Big East expansion (Providence AD said so)
-Not any sanctions ( it wouldn’t be worth a big announcement)
-Nothing new with Fox (Providence AD said so)
The only thing Big I can see is maybe the creation of an Academic Consortium I guess. The Big East already has a graduate and career fair one.
Even though I wish it was a team expansion.
[quote="fordham96" post=308016]Quinerly apologizes for IG post.
https://twitter.com/RealJahvonQ/status/1073239893395025920?s=19[/quote]
This kid will transfer after this season!!!!!
https://twitter.com/RealJahvonQ/status/1073239893395025920?s=19[/quote]
This kid will transfer after this season!!!!!
5 Big East games on Saturday. Some great matchups, too.
12 noon - SMU at Georgetown - FS1
12 noon - Villanova at Kansas - ESPN
2:00 PM - Rutgers at Seton Hall - FS1
3:45 PM - Butler vs. Indiana, from Bankers Life Fieldhouse - CBS
8:00 PM - Eastern Kentucky at Xavier - FS1
12 noon - SMU at Georgetown - FS1
12 noon - Villanova at Kansas - ESPN
2:00 PM - Rutgers at Seton Hall - FS1
3:45 PM - Butler vs. Indiana, from Bankers Life Fieldhouse - CBS
8:00 PM - Eastern Kentucky at Xavier - FS1
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