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[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  










 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job






 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too 

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

 

[Knight]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

So you condone this behavior?

Not all, I said he deserves a suspension.  You don't have to approve of his behavior to think the man is not crazy because he lost his temper during a heated a game.  I've seen fans on twitter threatening to fight each other after a game and these people livelyhood isn't on the line.  The guy Frankingeneral was literally on twitter telling people his season ticket seat location to come confront and talk trash to his face.  People get passionate about sports it's not always peaches and creme.  

If he can’t control his physical behavior in the sport, he should find employment elsewhere.

 

[bamafan]

Making Plays wrote:
And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

Then how do you explain Dennis Rodman, even if it was only 15 years? There are lots of head cases who survive in various professions longer than they should w/o consequences. I am not saying Howard is a head case by any means but he clearly has a temper problem that is a bad example to his players and one that should not be acceptable imho.

I don't ever remember anyone calling OJ a head case either. Now, obviously I'm not comparing Howard to OJ, nor am I calling Howard a head case, although he does seem to have anger issues. Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 

Monte we all hope you get the help that you obviously sorely need. /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png/media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png

 

[MakingPlays]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

So you condone this behavior?

Not all, I said he deserves a suspension.  You don't have to approve of his behavior to think the man is not crazy because he lost his temper during a heated a game.  I've seen fans on twitter threatening to fight each other after a game and these people livelyhood isn't on the line.  The guy Frankingeneral was literally on twitter telling people his season ticket seat location to come confront and talk trash to his face.  People get passionate about sports it's not always peaches and creme.  

If he can’t control his physical behavior in the sport, he should find employment elsewhere.

I highly doubt he gets fired for this.

 

[capmaker]

https://nypost.com/2022/02/20/juwan-howard-must-be-suspended-for-the-rest-of-the-season/

 

[fuchsia]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

 I heard about Russell throwing up before games, never punching teammates.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  












 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job








 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too 

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

Save your curses argument for someone who argued against cursing. All I said it was part of a pattern. My issue was the assault of another coach and he didnt even take a swing at the coach who he had the original problem with he hit an assistant who wasn't even next to Gard.. And did kids fight right after this ? So maybe they already saw a coach fight and think it's ok for them to fight

 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

None of the coaches I ever had cursed like sailors. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

 Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 




 

Just stop slapping the bitch and you'll be good.  /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

lol. This is for the snowflakes(not you) on the board

Really with this, both of you? Nice way to represent St. John”s.

 

[Knight]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

So you condone this behavior?

Not all, I said he deserves a suspension.  You don't have to approve of his behavior to think the man is not crazy because he lost his temper during a heated a game.  I've seen fans on twitter threatening to fight each other after a game and these people livelyhood isn't on the line.  The guy Frankingeneral was literally on twitter telling people his season ticket seat location to come confront and talk trash to his face.  People get passionate about sports it's not always peaches and creme.  

If he can’t control his physical behavior in the sport, he should find employment elsewhere.

I highly doubt he gets fired for this.

As long as he gets fined, suspended, arrested and gets anger management he doesn’t have to lose his job. A reoccurrence should result in termination and banishment from NCAA competition.

 

[lawmanfan]

The beginning, middle and end of this are all squarely on Juwan Howard.

You cannot full-court press the other team's walk-ons and then complain when they call a timeout to get themselves organized.  Wisconsin put up their hands, Michigan decided to keep punching, so Wisconsin said OK, well then I guess we are still playing.  Either the game is over or it isn't; you can't complain that it's proper for you to continue playing but the other team doesn't get to  So unless he just doesn't understand the college rule - which is possible - Howard has ZERO beef with Wisconsin calling a timeout.

Next, you can't walk past a man on the handshake line, mouth off at him "I'll remember that" and not expect a response.  Gard did nothing but what any of us would have done, which was stop Howard for a man-to-man discussion (almost certainly to tell Howard that he can't full-court press and then be pissed off when you take a timeout).  Instead of handling that conversation like a man, Howard decided to go off, stick his finger in Gard's face, and persist in his totally unwarranted grievance. 

Lastly, regardless of what the Wisconsin assistant said - and I am 100% certain that he said something - you cannot be the head coach of a team and go take a swipe at an opposing coach.  Disgraceful.

I do not think Howard should be fired, although I wouldn't blame Michigan if they did.  But a suspension and fine are needed.  Probably a fine for the Wisconsin assistant as well depending on his role.

And unfortunately a bunch of players are going to eat suspensions too - every bit of which is Howard's fault because he created this whole mess by choosing to be a jerk at the beginning, middle and end of the situation.  If he had managed to not be a jerk at even ONE of those three points, this doesn't happen.

 

[lawmanfan]

And one more thing:

There is a direct throughline between Howard's attitude that he can press but you can't call timeout and his attitude that he can say something to you in the handshake line but you can't stop him to respond.

Call it attitude, ego, entitled, unhinged, thin-skinned, whatever you want.  But it isn't a great look for the head coach of a major program. Not that he's the only example.

 

[Knight]

And one more thing:

There is a direct throughline between Howard's attitude that he can press but you can't call timeout and his attitude that he can say something to you in the handshake line but you can't stop him to respond.

Call it attitude, ego, entitled, unhinged, thin-skinned, whatever you want.  But it isn't a great look for the head coach of a major program. Not that he's the only example.

There you go again, pilling on the logic.  /media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png

 

[capmaker]

Coach Lavin:  [URL]https://www.facebook.com/watch?v[/URL]=1576531639377440

 

[SJU85]

The beginning, middle and end of this are all squarely on Juwan Howard.

You cannot full-court press the other team's walk-ons and then complain when they call a timeout to get themselves organized.  Wisconsin put up their hands, Michigan decided to keep punching, so Wisconsin said OK, well then I guess we are still playing.  Either the game is over or it isn't; you can't complain that it's proper for you to continue playing but the other team doesn't get to  So unless he just doesn't understand the college rule - which is possible - Howard has ZERO beef with Wisconsin calling a timeout.

Next, you can't walk past a man on the handshake line, mouth off at him "I'll remember that" and not expect a response.  Gard did nothing but what any of us would have done, which was stop Howard for a man-to-man discussion (almost certainly to tell Howard that he can't full-court press and then be pissed off when you take a timeout).  Instead of handling that conversation like a man, Howard decided to go off, stick his finger in Gard's face, and persist in his totally unwarranted grievance. 

Lastly, regardless of what the Wisconsin assistant said - and I am 100% certain that he said something - you cannot be the head coach of a team and go take a swipe at an opposing coach.  Disgraceful.

I do not think Howard should be fired, although I wouldn't blame Michigan if they did.  But a suspension and fine are needed.  Probably a fine for the Wisconsin assistant as well depending on his role.

And unfortunately a bunch of players are going to eat suspensions too - every bit of which is Howard's fault because he created this whole mess by choosing to be a jerk at the beginning, middle and end of the situation.  If he had managed to not be a jerk at even ONE of those three points, this doesn't happen.

Not going to dispute what you laid out but will say Gard could have (should have) let Howard walk by despite what might have been said and just kept it moving.  Instead, he grabbed Howard by the arm and the verbal confrontation started and escalated.  A hand shake line is not the place to have that “man to man” discussion when you know someone is heated.  Things have happened at the end of games (usually between players but we’ve seen coaches get upset post a “dead fish” handshake or a perceived ((usually accurate) snub.  This still does not absolve Howard for his actions afterwards.

Shouldn’t have happened and Michigan will feel the brunt of the repercussions as they should which includes anyone who threw a slap or a punch, whether it connected or not.  Any Wisconsin player also face discipline for the same reason (I saw one possibly two throw punches, one of whom did an Isiah Thomas sneak attack and ran away).

 

[MakingPlays]

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

None of the coaches I ever had cursed like sailors. 

Mine did from 5th grade until I graduated.  I'm from Arkansas though, maybe culture is different in the North as far as sports.  But, school sports especially football down here in the South is taken very very seriously. You make mistakes you're going to get cursed out by the coach, that's a given. That's just how it is down here, nobody really pays it much attention.  Now, if you never experienced any of that more power to you, but that doesn't mean it's not happening at other places.

 

[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  















 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job











 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too 

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

Save your curses argument for someone who argued against cursing. All I said it was part of a pattern. My issue was the assault of another coach and he didnt even take a swing at the coach who he had the original problem with he hit an assistant who wasn't even next to Gard.. And did kids fight right after this ? So maybe they already saw a coach fight and think it's ok for them to fight




 

Assault? LMAO.  His fingers grazed the side of dudes face, it wasn't even a real punch. And the reason he went at the guy, because if you watched the video that guy was grabbing his player.  So, if you are going to say Howard was assaulting the asst coach, then Gard assaulted Howard first, and then asst coach assaulted his player, then that's when Howard assaulted the asst coach.  Because grabbing someone's arm is technically assault, you can call the police on someone right now if they physically grab you by the arm in an altercation.  Many of women have done it.  Don't pick and choose what type of assault offends you.

 

 

[Knight]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  
















 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job












 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too 

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

Save your curses argument for someone who argued against cursing. All I said it was part of a pattern. My issue was the assault of another coach and he didnt even take a swing at the coach who he had the original problem with he hit an assistant who wasn't even next to Gard.. And did kids fight right after this ? So maybe they already saw a coach fight and think it's ok for them to fight





 

Assault? LMAO.  His fingers grazed the side of dudes face, it wasn't even a real punch. And the reason he went at the guy, because if you watched the video that guy was grabbing his player.  So, if you are going to say Howard was assaulting the asst coach, then Gard assaulted Howard first, and then asst coach assaulted his player, then that's when Howard assaulted the asst coach.  Because grabbing someone's arm is technically assault, you can call the police on someone right now if they physically grab you by the arm in an altercation.  Many of women have done it.  Don't pick and choose what type of assault offends you.


 

Your reasoning is flawed. Why are you so quick to jump to Howard’s defense? He acted like a thug and should be dealt with like you should deal with a thug.

 

[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  

















 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job













 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too 

You do realize most coaches curse like sailors right?  These are college kids they are smart enough to know what lessons to and not to take from their coach.  Just like they probably don't repeat in public the language their coach use,  they aren't going to just start running around campus doing palm punches or whatever that was Howard did.

Save your curses argument for someone who argued against cursing. All I said it was part of a pattern. My issue was the assault of another coach and he didnt even take a swing at the coach who he had the original problem with he hit an assistant who wasn't even next to Gard.. And did kids fight right after this ? So maybe they already saw a coach fight and think it's ok for them to fight






 

Assault? LMAO.  His fingers grazed the side of dudes face, it wasn't even a real punch. And the reason he went at the guy, because if you watched the video that guy was grabbing his player.  So, if you are going to say Howard was assaulting the asst coach, then Gard assaulted Howard first, and then asst coach assaulted his player, then that's when Howard assaulted the asst coach.  Because grabbing someone's arm is technically assault, you can call the police on someone right now if they physically grab you by the arm in an altercation.  Many of women have done it.  Don't pick and choose what type of assault offends you.



 

Your reasoning is flawed. Why are you so quick to jump to Howard’s defense? He acted like a thug and should be dealt with like you should deal with a thug.

Why you so quick to call someone you don't know all types of names?  So far you've called him thug, crazy, loose cannon, and I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting a few more.  That's a lot of judgement and hostility towards someone you don't know personal.  Have you never lost your temper before?  Most people have.  You seem to be losing your temper just over talking about this situation lol. 

And spoiler alert for you, he won't be fired, he'll be suspended most likely for the remaining regular season games and possibly some post season, and then he'll be coaching next year as I said in my original post.  So, your reasoning is what is actually flawed, because all the things you're saying and the punishment  you are wanting is not going to come true.  

 

[MakingPlays]

Throw him in jail for assault.
Throw hockey players in jail for fighting.


 

LOL, I missed this post.  What a great point, I didn't even think of that.

And I agree we need to lock up all these thug hockey players that are loose cannons that lose their tempers and need anger management that start throwing punches on national TV while our innocent kids that never seen a fight before in their lives are watching, because they will see these guys doing this and not be able to know it's wrong and they'll just start fighting all the time.  I'm appalled that these thugs think it's alright to take their helmets off in the middle of the game and start physically punching each other because of a disagreement over a game.