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[kranmars]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

Howard should get suspended the rest of the year.

And if he is going to punch anyone for a late timeout, then he still owes one to Chris Webber.

 

[bamafan]

Howard setting a great example for his team of what not to do after a Loss.

coach your own team



 

Both coaches were at fault, although Howard for throwing the punch deserves a harsher punishment.

For those that didn't see it, near the end of the game Howard had his guys pressing just trying to get steals and play hard to the final buzzer, which a lot of coaches do even if the game is over, CMA does this as well.  Usually, the winning coach will just let it play out no matter what, because they know they have won.  Gard broke that unwritten rule and called a timeout, which is just throwing insult to injury on the losing team that's frustrated and ready to get out of there.  Wisconsin is up 14 points with 15 seconds left, even if they give Michigan a steal and a 3 point basket, they still win by double figures and get the max points they can for margin of victory in NET.

After the game, Howard was originally going to skip the hand shake line he walked away from it, but decided to just go and shake the players hands, when he got to Gard he tried to walk past him, Gard grabbed his arm, Howard didn't like it, and grabbed Gard as well, they exchanged words, assistant coaches, players got involved, one of the Wisconsin coaches put his hands on one of Michigan's players, Howard seen it, he did a weird half punch/slap/push or whatever you wanna call it at the guys face and a huge fight broke out after that.  

Howard probably gets a 3-5 game suspension, Gard probably gets a 1-2 game suspension, any players and coaches that threw punches probably get a 1-2 game suspension as well.

If a team is just trying to dribble out the clock and the defense presses them and gets up in their grill I say dunk on their ass.

 

[monte]

Howard setting a great example for his team of what not to do after a Loss.

coach your own team




 

Both coaches were at fault, although Howard for throwing the punch deserves a harsher punishment.

For those that didn't see it, near the end of the game Howard had his guys pressing just trying to get steals and play hard to the final buzzer, which a lot of coaches do even if the game is over, CMA does this as well.  Usually, the winning coach will just let it play out no matter what, because they know they have won.  Gard broke that unwritten rule and called a timeout, which is just throwing insult to injury on the losing team that's frustrated and ready to get out of there.  Wisconsin is up 14 points with 15 seconds left, even if they give Michigan a steal and a 3 point basket, they still win by double figures and get the max points they can for margin of victory in NET.

After the game, Howard was originally going to skip the hand shake line he walked away from it, but decided to just go and shake the players hands, when he got to Gard he tried to walk past him, Gard grabbed his arm, Howard didn't like it, and grabbed Gard as well, they exchanged words, assistant coaches, players got involved, one of the Wisconsin coaches put his hands on one of Michigan's players, Howard seen it, he did a weird half punch/slap/push or whatever you wanna call it at the guys face and a huge fight broke out after that.  

Howard probably gets a 3-5 game suspension, Gard probably gets a 1-2 game suspension, any players and coaches that threw punches probably get a 1-2 game suspension as well.

If a team is just trying to dribble out the clock and the defense presses them and gets up in their grill I say dunk on their ass.

Supposedly Mich was pressing the walk ons. I get playing D against walk ons, but pressing? Regardless, IMO absolutely nothing justifies the swing/slap/whatever you want to call it. 
 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Juwan Howard taking a swing at a coach holy cow

Nice example by Howard. Not only is that stupid, but it is also cowardly to take a swing when there is a crowd of people in the way.

What Howard did would have been called a "bitch slap" back in the day. Of course you can't say that nowadays. 

For good reason. 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

Howard should get suspended the rest of the year.

And if he is going to punch anyone for a late timeout, then he still owes one to Chris Webber.

PTST - Post Traumatic Stress Timeout ?

 

[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  

 

 

[monte]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

Howard should get suspended the rest of the year.

And if he is going to punch anyone for a late timeout, then he still owes one to Chris Webber.

PTST - Post Traumatic Stress Timeout ?

I was actually at that game at the Superdome. 

 

[MakingPlays]

Howard setting a great example for his team of what not to do after a Loss.

coach your own team





 

Both coaches were at fault, although Howard for throwing the punch deserves a harsher punishment.

For those that didn't see it, near the end of the game Howard had his guys pressing just trying to get steals and play hard to the final buzzer, which a lot of coaches do even if the game is over, CMA does this as well.  Usually, the winning coach will just let it play out no matter what, because they know they have won.  Gard broke that unwritten rule and called a timeout, which is just throwing insult to injury on the losing team that's frustrated and ready to get out of there.  Wisconsin is up 14 points with 15 seconds left, even if they give Michigan a steal and a 3 point basket, they still win by double figures and get the max points they can for margin of victory in NET.

After the game, Howard was originally going to skip the hand shake line he walked away from it, but decided to just go and shake the players hands, when he got to Gard he tried to walk past him, Gard grabbed his arm, Howard didn't like it, and grabbed Gard as well, they exchanged words, assistant coaches, players got involved, one of the Wisconsin coaches put his hands on one of Michigan's players, Howard seen it, he did a weird half punch/slap/push or whatever you wanna call it at the guys face and a huge fight broke out after that.  

Howard probably gets a 3-5 game suspension, Gard probably gets a 1-2 game suspension, any players and coaches that threw punches probably get a 1-2 game suspension as well.

If a team is just trying to dribble out the clock and the defense presses them and gets up in their grill I say dunk on their ass.

Supposedly Mich was pressing the walk ons. I get playing D against walk ons, but pressing? Regardless, IMO absolutely nothing justifies the swing/slap/whatever you want to call it. 

 

I see teams do that all the time, it's not uncommon for the team losing big to just press and try to get the score down to make it look better than what it was.  CMA does this.  I've seen him do the exact thing Howard did many times before. 

That's why a lot of times you see some games you might just check the score and a team is winning by 20 points with 1:30 to go,  then you look at final score and it's like 12 point win, because it's just an unwritten rule when game is out of hand final minute or so, the losing team tries to salvage what they can and winning team calls off the dogs and puts their walk-on/bench players in and just let them play it out.  Gard knew what he was doing calling the timeout, he wanted to get under Howard's skin.  Howard should have had better composure, you can't lose it like that and start throwing punches.  Like I said a significant suspension is deserved, but I'm not going to act like the guy is the worst person in the world for that super weak punch that was thrown.

 

[Moose]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  



 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Making plays, you’re probably technically right it never happens if Bard doesn’t stop him in the line, but how bout just shake the other coaches hand and accept the beat down? 

 

[sirvoo]

This guy is touched in the head. And he initiated the entire thing saying “we won’t forget this” or something along those lines.

Not sure how you can expect your 18 year old players to keep their cool when you’re out here acting like a nut job.  

 

[capmaker]

https://nypost.com/2021/03/13/juwan-howard-allegedly-threatened-mark-turgeon-in-ejection/

https://saturdaytradition.com/michi...reatened-mark-turgeon-during-fridays-scuffle/

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/juwan-howard-mark-turgeon-alleged-threat

 

[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  




 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

 

[MakingPlays]

Making plays, you’re probably technically right it never happens if Bard doesn’t stop him in the line, but how bout just shake the other coaches hand and accept the beat down? 

Nah, if he doesn't like the guy he shouldn't have to shake his hand.  I watched Nolan Richardson walk off the court in the middle of a game when he seen some bs, he wasn't about to do any fake handshaking like he liked Texas.  That's the era of basket ball I loved and why I watch the game today when you had coaches like Nolan Richardson, Bob Knight, Big John Thompson, John Chaney, Jerry Tarkanian, etc.  These guys had real rivalries and dislike for coaches and other teams and they didn't care about being politically correct and acting like they did.  I'll never forget John Chaney called out John Calapari, one of the best moments ever.



Of course to you guys he's probably just a "lose cannon." but many people loved John Chaney.

 

[Moose]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  





 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Whatever floats your boat man.  If you think today was nothing then you keep doing you.  

 

[NCJohnnie]

Sorry Making Plays, always respect your posts but it is never the right thing for a coach to swing at another coach in a handshake line, I don't care what was done regarding pressing or not pressing at the end of the game. The coach just has to be better a better example than that.  

 

[Knight]

I saw the replay, Howard should be suspended for the rest of the year, required to undertake anger management treatment, and arrested for assault.  

 

[boo haarvey]

I saw the replay, Howard should be suspended for the rest of the year, required to undertake anger management treatment, and arrested for assault.  

What’s really disgusting is he didn’t even seem contrite at the presser.  He’ll ultimately be pressured to apologize but I will doubt his sincerity 
 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  






 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Moose was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job

 

 

[RedStormNC]

Not the same, but a good flashback to '17 BET, when Mullin and JT3 did some pushing for the cameras