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[NCJohnnie]

mjmaherjr wrote:

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job

+1000 - these coaches need to be held to the same standard any other executive would be, for all the same reasons - set the example/standard for Christ's sake. 

 

[MakingPlays]

Sorry Making Plays, always respect your posts but it is never the right thing for a coach to swing at another coach in a handshake line, I don't care what was done regarding pressing or not pressing at the end of the game. The coach just has to be better a better example than that.  

I didn't say it was right.  I said he should have a 3-5 game suspension for it actually.  My point was at other posters who's saying he's a loose cannon, he's out of control, he's a nutcase, he's this and he's that, that's utter nonsense.  He's just a competitive guy and let emotions gets the best of him.  It's happened to best of coaches.  I just posted a video of a legendary coach losing his cool on John Calapari and rushing the podium trying to fight him. Was John Chaney a nut case too?  What about Bobby Knight?  Nolan Richardson? 

And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

 

[Knight]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

 

[NCJohnnie]

Making Plays wrote:
And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

Then how do you explain Dennis Rodman, even if it was only 15 years? There are lots of head cases who survive in various professions longer than they should w/o consequences. I am not saying Howard is a head case by any means but he clearly has a temper problem that is a bad example to his players and one that should not be acceptable imho.

 

[MakingPlays]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  






 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job


 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job?  I mean if we are going to do that, we can say at most other jobs if you show up in a t-shirt and sweat pants and cuss and yell at teenagers all day, like most coaches do for practice everyday, then you'd get fired for doing that.  

Also, I'm pretty sure every football coach in American could technically get charged and arrested for assault after every single practice.  Getting slapped in the helmet when making a mistake is pretty common.  In basketball I've known of some coaches that slap players on back of head,  Heck, there's a video out of Michael Jordan slapping Malik Monk on the back of the head after a mistake and Malik is a player and Jordan is the owner of the team, he's not even a coach.  He did this on national TV, you think he not slapping the back of heads in private?  

 

[monte]

Making Plays wrote:
And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

Then how do you explain Dennis Rodman, even if it was only 15 years? There are lots of head cases who survive in various professions longer than they should w/o consequences. I am not saying Howard is a head case by any means but he clearly has a temper problem that is a bad example to his players and one that should not be acceptable imho.

I don't ever remember anyone calling OJ a head case either. Now, obviously I'm not comparing Howard to OJ, nor am I calling Howard a head case, although he does seem to have anger issues. Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 

 

[MakingPlays]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

You would be appalled then if you knew some of the things that happened behind the scenes in locker rooms and practice.  Because it's lots of cussing, name calling, scuffles, fighting and all that.  When people are competitive tempers flare and fights happen.  Georgia basketball team just had an assistant coach and video coordinator duking it out a few days ago.  Stuff like this happens everyday you just don't hear about it.

 

[MakingPlays]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

 

[austour]

 Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 
 

Just stop slapping the bitch and you'll be good.  /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

 

[Moose]

https://twitter.com/JeannaTrotmanTV/status/1495536258600292352?s=20&t=9F6l1aw9nC9xTpyYSnKwWQ

 

[Knight]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

So you condone this behavior?

 

[MakingPlays]

Making Plays wrote:
And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

Then how do you explain Dennis Rodman, even if it was only 15 years? There are lots of head cases who survive in various professions longer than they should w/o consequences. I am not saying Howard is a head case by any means but he clearly has a temper problem that is a bad example to his players and one that should not be acceptable imho.

I don't ever remember anyone calling OJ a head case either. Now, obviously I'm not comparing Howard to OJ, nor am I calling Howard a head case, although he does seem to have anger issues. Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 

Good point, I guess you can technically be off and people not know it at the time.

My point still remains though, I don't think Howard is all of that.  And if we're going to start calling him a nutcase, we need to go back in history and start calling other coaches that's in the hall of fame nutcases too and get them something for their mental health.  Everything these days if someone shows emotion or makes a mistake they get "cancelled" and accused of having mental health issues.  

 

[Knight]

Making Plays wrote:
And FYI, you don't survive in the NBA 19 years playing at the highest level on the biggest stage and being a head case.  You never once heard a teammate, coach, or opposing player that's around Howard call him any of those things.  Again, Howard deserves a suspension all the challenging someone's mental stability is uncalled for IMO.

Then how do you explain Dennis Rodman, even if it was only 15 years? There are lots of head cases who survive in various professions longer than they should w/o consequences. I am not saying Howard is a head case by any means but he clearly has a temper problem that is a bad example to his players and one that should not be acceptable imho.

I don't ever remember anyone calling OJ a head case either. Now, obviously I'm not comparing Howard to OJ, nor am I calling Howard a head case, although he does seem to have anger issues. Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 

Good point, I guess you can technically be off and people not know it at the time.

My point still remains though, I don't think Howard is all of that.  And if we're going to start calling him a nutcase, we need to go back in history and start calling other coaches that's in the hall of fame nutcases too and get them something for their mental health.  Everything these days if someone shows emotion or makes a mistake they get "cancelled" and accused of having mental health issues.  

Why should Howard get a pass? Times have changed, but Howard went over the top. He must be held accountable.

 

[monte]

 Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 


 

Just stop slapping the bitch and you'll be good.  /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

lol. This is for the snowflakes(not you) on the board. [attachment=2475]4E3A2176-885E-4AD0-94F6-5FD8EB57DC8C.jpeg[/attachment]

 

[MakingPlays]

Chaney nutcase-yeah, sometimes.  Knight nutcase-yeah, absolutely.  Richardson nutcase-I don’t Remember.

I don’t condone assault.  

And all those guys you call nutcases are in the basketball hall of fame and are legends at their school.  The greatest basketball player of all time use to punch his teammates in the face for having a bad practice.  So maybe there's a method to their madness.

So you condone this behavior?

Not all, I said he deserves a suspension.  You don't have to approve of his behavior to think the man is not crazy because he lost his temper during a heated a game.  I've seen fans on twitter threatening to fight each other after a game and these people livelyhood isn't on the line.  The guy Frankingeneral was literally on twitter telling people his season ticket seat location to come confront and talk trash to his face.  People get passionate about sports it's not always peaches and creme.  

 

[austour]

 Just making the point that just because none of Howard's former teammates or coaches complained about him, that we know of, doesn't mean that he doesn't have issues that he needs to deal with. Most of us do, including me. 



 

Just stop slapping the bitch and you'll be good.  /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

lol. This is for the snowflakes(not you) on the board. [attachment=2475]4E3A2176-885E-4AD0-94F6-5FD8EB57DC8C.jpeg[/attachment]
 

OK stop slapping the ho. /media/kunena/emoticons/grin.png

 

[Red Drum]

Throw him in jail for assault.
Throw hockey players in jail for fighting.
 

 

[capmaker]

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[paultzman]

Howard commentary

https://nypost.com/2022/02/20/juwan-howard-must-be-suspended-for-the-rest-of-the-season/

 

[mjmaherjr]

Let's remember this isn't the first time for Howard

He threatened to 'kill' Mark Turgeon last year.

I never heard that before, this article gives a complete summary of their "beef" doesn't mention Howard threatening to kill anyone.

[URL]https://www.testudotimes.com/m...le-mark-turgeon-juwan-howard-hunter-dickinson[/URL]

Seems like some people are trying to turn Howard into the angry unhinged guy now and exaggerating incidents.  This situation never escalates that far if Gard doesn't grab Howard by the arm as he's walking by, that's super disrespectful.  And Gard acknowledged he grabbed him by the arm and condescendingly said afterwards "I just wanted to make sure he knew the rule and why I called the timeout." #1 That's insulting assuming he doesn't know the rules and #2 that's man code 101, in a heated situation you don't touch another man in any type of way.  








 

Widely reported last year when it happened that Maryland and Turn claimed Howard yelled, "I'm gonna f---ing kill you."

I grew up a fan of the Fab Five. It's what got me into college hoops.  But Howard is a loose cannon.  Man code or not he swung at coach with players all around him and incited a brawl.  

If Howard is a loose Cannon what was Bobby Knight considered?  A loose meteor?  Cause what you got right now a verbal shouting between him and Turgeon and one of the softest punches (if you want to call it that) I ever seen in my life is your definition of a "loose cannon."

I'm sorry but that's super weak to me, I played high school football in the south, I use to see coaches fight each other all the time, hell I use to see players fight coaches. We would get called every curse word in the book, get jacked us up by our helmets and pads every single day, made us jump in ditches, made us fight each other, threatened us, and pretty sure withheld us from drinking water the legal amount of times we were required based on the amount of time we were out in the heat. It's competitive sports, it ain't always suppose to be friendly. 

Completely disagree and I'm not from the participation trophy generation. What you have as Mosse was referring to is a pattern. I can get past the Turgeon comment but in any job you go into the office and even slap someone you are getting fired and potentially arrested and you do this on tv ? I dont care how hard the slap was this is big problem with him and it's his problem not some it's ok not a big deal thing. Shit Knight did would be a huge problem today as it should have back then. Players fight it's an issue but they are kids and need guidance. When you are the coach guiding them and pul that shit you aren't a role model and you need to pay the consequences. I dont care if he gets fired get suspended this time I dont care but I would get fired if I did the same thing at my job




 

Are you really comparing a coach to regular job? 

Yes and especially when his job is coaching kids. Kids are impressionable they see their coach do something they think they can do just like kids who had bad parents

And I'd suspend the other coach too