Again I hate being the guy “defending” uconn but they didn’t leave the BE the first time. Not that they wouldn’t if they got the chance. The BE left them.
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Technically yes, but that is because their athletic mission is different. As a state school, they are actively looking to expand its football program, which’s are not.
They also publicly disrespect the conference while benefitting from it. Mora and the AD are very transparent about it. It’s an abusive relationship and it needs to end. Unfortunately nobody else seems to want them.
So let's just kick their a*s at MSG this season and send their sorry fans home whining
I wouldn’t call if abusive because we’re also benefiting from them being in the conference. We’re getting money from the tournament shares, and would if they leave. Val took a gamble that they would stay through the Fox contract and be with us when we renegotiate— right now it’s going down to the wire.
If the Big 12 sweep and get the corner four schools, UCONN will be a very valuable asset in increasing the payout for Big East schools in the next media contract.
Do I think UCONN is a sustainable long term member of the Big East? Absolutely not. Unfortunately with the college landscape, you can also argue an all-basketball league with private schools also may not be sustainable when you factor in how much money other schools are getting from football + (longer term) how the big three may break off and do their own thing.
If the Big 12 sweep and get the corner four schools, UCONN will be a very valuable asset in increasing the payout for Big East schools in the next media contract.
Do I think UCONN is a sustainable long term member of the Big East? Absolutely not. Unfortunately with the college landscape, you can also argue an all-basketball league with private schools also may not be sustainable when you factor in how much money other schools are getting from football + (longer term) how the big three may break off and do their own thing.
Lol think back 10 years to the first year of the new Big East when the AAC was stronger than the Big East and the media was skeptical as to whether we'd survive as a conference. "Requiem for the Big East". Think back to 5 years ago when the ACC and Big Ten were trying to take over MSG. Compare that to now when we're one of the most successful basketball conferences, have extended our MSG lease, have top coaches despite revenue differences, have challenges set up with the other top two conferences, and have not panicked by adding deadweight schools or engaging in embarrassing "Power 6" campaigns like the AAC/Aresco did.
If you're not giving her at least partial credit for any of that, then what exactly would you give her credit for? We're a basketball conference so it's not like we can poach Duke (at least for now), but we did poach UConn which very few thought was possible. Remember, year one UConn won a national championship while in the AAC. 5 years after that the Big East (and Val) got them to flip to the AAC.
Also, if you reread my post you'll see it's not just the Pac 12 commissioner that Val has been better than. We've experienced one of them firsthand with our last commissioner Aresco. There's a case to be made that she's been the best one given how much stronger the Big East is now vs a decade ago.
Fair enough, the UConn aspect is certainly debatable. First let's see if UConn is actually accepted into the Big 12 before knocking her for that. Hindsight is 20/20, but if it happens I still maintain it was the correct move at the time given the Big 12 wasn't at all interested in them under their last commissioner.
The Big East got unlucky in that the Big 12 hired someone who has a strong desire for NYC basketball, something certainly not the top priority for most commissioners/school presidents. I've also read that most of the Big 12 leadership isn't on board with UConn, it's really just their commissioner pushing for this. UConn jumping at the chance was predictable, but a conference being interested in them so soon wasn't.
If it happens then the Big East is basically in the same place as we were a few years ago before they joined, but I'd say stronger. Nova is down but I think they'll rebound this year, and St. John's and Georgetown are on the rise. Marquette and Creighton have also made big leaps and the coaches in our league are the best they've ever been. End of the day it'd be a PR hit, but this happens to every conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC so it wouldn't be a huge deal. I also maintain that outside of potentially UConn (which I think was the correct business decision at the time), she's made all of the correct moves.
You're a great poster too, I enjoy the debate!
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ESPN reporting that Arizona, Arizona St and Utah will stick together. They'll almost certainly jump if the rumored Pac TV offer is true. In that case the Big 12 would get to 16 teams and UConn would most likely remain in the Big East. They're not going to 17 for UConn lol, especially with previous reports that 14 or 16 would be the maximum allowed by the networks.
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If 14 or 16 is really the limit set by a network, that's when you start your own network.
Also, if 16 is a true limit, then taking on UCF was really stupid. I'd even argue that taking Cincy was stupid if schools like Arizona are willing to jump.
Yep, that's why patience is extremely important in conference realignment and their last commissioner was fired. I'm sure they're regretting some additions. Just for example they wouldn't need both BYU and Utah... two schools from Utah is rough.
It wouldn't shock me if the networks made an exception for Washington or Oregon, but no way they'd go to 17 for UConn lol. Even the Boneyard realignment board is close to giving up hope and they've turned on their Kansas "insider".
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I've really enjoyed watching their meltdown in slow motion this past week.
Why would adding UCF be stupid? One of the largest universities in the country, brings Florida market to the conference, actually it was a great move
Jeff Borzello Way too Early Top 25 has the Johnnies no. 25.
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It might take time for the revamped St. John's roster to get going, but on paper, there's more than enough talent to be a factor toward the top of the Big East -- especially when factoring in Rick Pitino on the sideline. Joel Soriano is one of the most productive big men in the country, while Jordan Dingle and Chris Ledlum were high-level scorers in the Ivy League. With a combination of Daniss Jenkins, Glenn Taylor Jr., RJ Luis, Simeon Wilcher and Nahiem Alleyne on the wings, it's hard not to envision early success for Pitino.
Projected starting lineup:
Jordan Dingle (23.4 PPG at Penn)
Daniss Jenkins (15.6 PPG at Iona)
Glenn Taylor Jr. (11.6 PPG at Oregon State)
Chris Ledlum (18.8 PPG at Harvard)
Joel Soriano (15.2 PPG)
WTE Top 25: Duke or Kansas at No. 1 for the final edition?
With less than a month to go 'til the season begins, we're calling it: Kansas remains No. 1. The rest of the field sees some swapping around, but no new faces.
25. St. John's Red Storm
Previous: Next in lineIt might take time for the revamped St. John's roster to get going, but on paper, there's more than enough talent to be a factor toward the top of the Big East -- especially when factoring in Rick Pitino on the sideline. Joel Soriano is one of the most productive big men in the country, while Jordan Dingle and Chris Ledlum were high-level scorers in the Ivy League. With a combination of Daniss Jenkins, Glenn Taylor Jr., RJ Luis, Simeon Wilcher and Nahiem Alleyne on the wings, it's hard not to envision early success for Pitino.
Projected starting lineup:
Jordan Dingle (23.4 PPG at Penn)
Daniss Jenkins (15.6 PPG at Iona)
Glenn Taylor Jr. (11.6 PPG at Oregon State)
Chris Ledlum (18.8 PPG at Harvard)
Joel Soriano (15.2 PPG)
Pick UConn.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking too. Who the hell wants UCF? It’s an irrelevant program even here in Florida. It also makes no sense geographically. There are is no rivalry potential.
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It costs on average $29 mill per year to run an FBS/Power 5 football team vs $8.4 mill to run a hoops team for the P6 BE included. The top 2 conferences are making money hand over fist at $70-100 mill per team per year. The Big 12 and ACC are barely breaking even before basketball costs are added to that total vs their approx $31 mill per team payouts. The P12 would be losing money before negotiations of any other deals to compliment this arrangement.