Around College Basketball 2019/20 Season

[quote="bamafan" post=368341][quote="Jnaw17" post=368334]Didn’t he also have to repay the $11K he “borrowed” in order to play for Memphis again? We all knew that wasn’t going to happen legitimately. If he can’t pay the penalty, then this seems like a logical outcome. And I totally agree that this whole thing was a farce.[/quote]
Heard player and or his people were blaming Memphis for this whole fiasco thinking they should have known the loan would cause eligibility problems. Think about it, Penny lends family money because of the kids ability then recruits him to his school a year or two later. No advantage there right, yeah right. Remember we couldn't recruit a kid a few years ago because he was previously coached by our DOBO because that is though of as a recruiting advantage.[/quote]

That’s a very convenient/self-serving position for camp Wiseman to take. But let’s face facts, every kid coming out of high school knows the game. I ain’t buying the finger pointing. All the parties are complicit here. The NCAA, the school, the kid and his people.
 
[quote="Monte" post=368300][quote="Paultzman" post=368289]Per Shams Charania

Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.[/quote]

The Memphis/Wiseman saga was a complete farce from the very beginning. Memphis hires Penny to build the best college program that Penny’s money-and he’s got a lot of it-can buy. Penny risks the entire season by playing a kid who is suspended by the NCAA. Then the kid goes and bails on Penny and on his teammates, probably after pocketing a whole boatload of Penny’s dollars. The kid should have been in the NBA already, and would have been if not for the archaic rule of forcing a kid to attend college for 1 year. The entire system is joke from top to bottom.[/quote]

I totally agree that the Memphis/Penny situation is a joke and that Weismann never should have been in college, but I have no problems with the NBA setting an age limit for its employees. I think its good business. You need a license to practice Law or Medicine. You need a foundation of knowledge/certifications to be a plumber or electrician.

If the NBA collectively bargains with the union for an age limit then those are the rules of the game. From an NBA franchise perspective, you get two draft picks a YEAR . Its tough enough evaluating college kids who are playing for something every night. Throw in the dozens of leagues around the world that feed players into the NBA draft and if I'm an NBA GM or owner, I surely don't want to be in the business of scouting HS players in pick up games. They aren't physically or emotionally developed (as a group). The last thing I want in my multi billion dollar business is labor uncertainty, or to be forced into rolling the dice on children.

I think they should have a separate draft for HS kids and a developmental league for them.

Just spit-balling here but how about something like this:
- Move the NBA draft to July, and have a HS draft in June.
- Maybe you have 6-10 teams that you fill out in the HS Draft. Think of it as a trade school. They are developing their skillset/resume while learning their tradecraft to a point they can succeed at the next level.
- Every HS kid is can enter his name in the HS draft, but if you are selected, you cannot go to college. You are signing up for 3 years of "trade school".
- If you are not selected in the HS draft, you retain your college eligibility.
- ANY player who enrolls in college cannot be drafted or signed by any NBA team for 3 years (same as College baseball and football).
- You get 3 years in the HS league. After each year you are eligible for the NBA draft. If you don't get selected, you go back to the HS league. After 3 years, you are out. Free to sign with the D league or any other league in the world.

I think this would give the NBA a better feeder system for prospects. It would give HS kids the ability to go pro right out of HS without leaving the country and it would make college hoops better by ensuring that the kids playing in college actually want to be there, and their schools would have better continuity knowing that the players are committed for 3 years.
 
Basketball trade school probably should include some stuff on coping with money and temptations. Interesting idea but numbers might need tweaking.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=368399]Basketball trade school probably should include some stuff on coping with money and temptations. Interesting idea but numbers might need tweaking.[/quote]

Absolutely, on both points.

That league would not just be about teaching basketball skills, it would also be about teaching life skills so they can pursue their dreams of pro hoops and be prepared to succeed when they get there.

Sure, there are a few kids every year that are physically ready to play in the NBA, but are they the only ones going to enter the draft? Of course not.
How many 17-18 year old phenoms are mentally or emotionally ready to be thrust into the NBA spotlight in any given year? One? Two?
 
Goodman

Juwan Howard and Michigan just landed a really talented skilled big man in Hunter Dickinson. Top 50 kid. He and Isaiah Todd could be really fun to watch together in Ann Arbor.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=368398][quote="Monte" post=368300][quote="Paultzman" post=368289]Per Shams Charania

Potential No. 1 pick James Wiseman of Memphis has left the university, will sign with an agent and begin preparing for 2020 NBA draft.[/quote]

The Memphis/Wiseman saga was a complete farce from the very beginning. Memphis hires Penny to build the best college program that Penny’s money-and he’s got a lot of it-can buy. Penny risks the entire season by playing a kid who is suspended by the NCAA. Then the kid goes and bails on Penny and on his teammates, probably after pocketing a whole boatload of Penny’s dollars. The kid should have been in the NBA already, and would have been if not for the archaic rule of forcing a kid to attend college for 1 year. The entire system is joke from top to bottom.[/quote]

I totally agree that the Memphis/Penny situation is a joke and that Weismann never should have been in college, but I have no problems with the NBA setting an age limit for its employees. I think its good business. You need a license to practice Law or Medicine. You need a foundation of knowledge/certifications to be a plumber or electrician.

If the NBA collectively bargains with the union for an age limit then those are the rules of the game. From an NBA franchise perspective, you get two draft picks a YEAR . Its tough enough evaluating college kids who are playing for something every night. Throw in the dozens of leagues around the world that feed players into the NBA draft and if I'm an NBA GM or owner, I surely don't want to be in the business of scouting HS players in pick up games. They aren't physically or emotionally developed (as a group). The last thing I want in my multi billion dollar business is labor uncertainty, or to be forced into rolling the dice on children.

I think they should have a separate draft for HS kids and a developmental league for them.

Just spit-balling here but how about something like this:
- Move the NBA draft to July, and have a HS draft in June.
- Maybe you have 6-10 teams that you fill out in the HS Draft. Think of it as a trade school. They are developing their skillset/resume while learning their tradecraft to a point they can succeed at the next level.
- Every HS kid is can enter his name in the HS draft, but if you are selected, you cannot go to college. You are signing up for 3 years of "trade school".
- If you are not selected in the HS draft, you retain your college eligibility.
- ANY player who enrolls in college cannot be drafted or signed by any NBA team for 3 years (same as College baseball and football).
- You get 3 years in the HS league. After each year you are eligible for the NBA draft. If you don't get selected, you go back to the HS league. After 3 years, you are out. Free to sign with the D league or any other league in the world.

I think this would give the NBA a better feeder system for prospects. It would give HS kids the ability to go pro right out of HS without leaving the country and it would make college hoops better by ensuring that the kids playing in college actually want to be there, and their schools would have better continuity knowing that the players are committed for 3 years.[/quote]

Yeah but you can join the military.and kill.at 18.
 
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Yeah but you can join the military.and kill.at 18.[/quote]

What's their process for letting you fly a fighter jet? Do they give the keys when you sign your enlistment papers at 18?
If you want to be a surgeon you have to get a 4 year undergraduate degree, spend 4 years at med-school, and 3 or more years in a hospital residency.

Lets please stop pretending that turning 18 means you are qualified for, or entitled to, ANY job in this country.
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=368527][quote="CMA TIME" post=368408]
Yeah but you can join the military.and kill.at 18.[/quote]

What's their process for letting you fly a fighter jet? Do they give the keys when you sign your enlistment papers at 18?
If you want to be a surgeon you have to get a 4 year undergraduate degree, spend 4 years at med-school, and 3 or more years in a hospital residency.

Lets please stop pretending that turning 18 means you are qualified for, or entitled to, ANY job in this country.[/quote]

Basketball is a sport, it's not that difficult to play. The elite players in hs don't need college to get better, but they gotta go to college because the nba says so?
Screw them. Just go overseas for a year or 2 the come back and vo in the draft, or could you after playing professionally overseas?

If not then you'd just be a free agent. Good enough
 
My neighbor’s son with an engineering masters and an ROTC commission just got accepted to flight school. It is a big deal.
 
Glad Nova got the W over Kansas.

Seeing Self in sideline always makes me wonder if the rumors of him having a toupee are true or false. Toupee, plugs, other...not sure but its something
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=368543]Glad Nova got the W over Kansas.

Seeing Self in sideline always makes me wonder if the rumors of him having a toupee are true or false. Toupee, plugs, other...not sure but its something[/quote]

Have verified it is an entire fake head
 
When Shaka Smart left VCU to go to Texas, he was being hailed as a great coach. I watched most of the Providence-Texas game today. Texas was horrible. With all of the resources available to him at Texas, Smart has had more than enough time and ample opportunity to turn that program around. To date, he has not been able to do so.

Seems like the bloom is off the rose for Smart these days.Maybe he's not as "smart" as people gave him credit for being.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=368559]When Shaka Smart left VCU to go to Texas, he was being hailed as a great coach. I watched most of the Providence-Texas game today. Texas was horrible. With all of the resources available to him at Texas, Smart has had more than enough time and ample opportunity to turn that program around. To date, he has not been able to do so.

Seems like the bloom is off the rose for Smart these days.Maybe he's not as "smart" as people gave him credit for being.[/quote]

80-68 record at Texas with a .431 league winning percentage. Certainly not very impressive and his teams have failed to replicate the style and success of when he was at VCU. I haven’t watched them much so I don’t know the problem, but maybe he just caught lightning for a few years at VCU.
 
What an end to the Dayton / Colorado game. Colorado 3 put buzzer beater in OT.

Dayton is a good team though..
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=368559]When Shaka Smart left VCU to go to Texas, he was being hailed as a great coach. I watched most of the Providence-Texas game today. Texas was horrible. With all of the resources available to him at Texas, Smart has had more than enough time and ample opportunity to turn that program around. To date, he has not been able to do so.

Seems like the bloom is off the rose for Smart these days.Maybe he's not as "smart" as people gave him credit for being.[/quote]

Some styles/systems just seem to work better at lower levels. Look at Anthony Grant finding renewed success at Dayton. He was Shaka before Shaka
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=368543]Glad Nova got the W over Kansas.

Seeing Self in sideline always makes me wonder if the rumors of him having a toupee are true or false. Toupee, plugs, other...not sure but its something[/quote]

It's true. It was a rug for years. He's got enough money to get a Matthew McConaughey-level transplant, though, so it better not be a damn rug anymore.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=368565][quote="RedStormNC" post=368543]Glad Nova got the W over Kansas.

Seeing Self in sideline always makes me wonder if the rumors of him having a toupee are true or false. Toupee, plugs, other...not sure but its something[/quote]

It's true. It was a rug for years. He's got enough money to get a Matthew McConaughey-level transplant, though, so it better not be a damn rug anymore.[/quote]

When was the last time that a rug looked natural?
Never IMHO
That's why I fully accepted going bald in 1996
I once saw a T shirt that said - "G-d only made a few perfect heads"
"On the rest, He put hair"
If I was meant to be this way, so be it - I wear it with pride!!
 
#9 Virginia at home loses to South Carolina by 11. UVA seldom loses at home.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=369150]#9 Virginia at home loses to South Carolina by 11. UVA seldom loses at home.[/quote]

Virginia is not the same type of Virginia team this year. Kehie Clark is not an elite PG , they don’t have the shooters they had last year and Diakite is the only guy on that team who can create his own shot. Their defense is still very good but Virginia is like a pitcher who can’t give up more than 1 or 2 runs every time out if they want to win because the team can’t score runs for them.
 
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