Around College Basketball 2019/20 Season

This decision has 0 to do w/ the health and safety of the kids if the alternative is to play a spring season. Getting ur head smashed in during the spring and then doing it again in the fall is waaaaaaaaay more dangerous to these kids then anything covid would do to them.

The SEC will play and have a great season. And all other conference who cancel will regret it.
 
The problem with Covid and young folks is not that they will "recover and not die" but it is in the long term effects many of which are not known. The post recovery is different in people. Some folks develop lung damage; some develop taste /smell "loss"; fatigue, shortness of breath, headaches; kidney issues. Heck someone I know has chronic pain in his knees. Any of these could impact not only the future life of an athlete but also their potential for a professional athletic career. At least pros have big contracts. Will the universities take care of potential loss of earnings if the athlete gets Covid while playing?

Also, baseball has shown the problem with a traveling sport. How about the testing issue? Will all athletes be tested with same or one day results?
 
[quote="BrooklynRed" post=395664]The problem with Covid and young folks is not that they will "recover and not die" but it is in the long term effects many of which are not known. The post recovery is different in people. Some folks develop lung damage; some develop taste /smell "loss"; fatigue, shortness of breath, headaches; kidney issues. Heck someone I know has chronic pain in his knees. Any of these could impact not only the future life of an athlete but also their potential for a professional athletic career. At least pros have big contracts. Will the universities take care of potential loss of earnings if the athlete gets Covid while playing?

Also, baseball has shown the problem with a traveling sport. How about the testing issue? Will all athletes be tested with same or one day results?[/quote]

All of these college football players are at risk for long term health issues with CTE. Why are u ok with these kids having long term brain damage possibilities but your not ok with COVID long term issues?

And what problem has baseball shown? They are going on just fine. Because they had some positive tests where no one was seriously ill you think that is a big problem? So no sports should go until there is a 0% chance of getting covid?
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395665][quote="BrooklynRed" post=395664]The problem with Covid and young folks is not that they will "recover and not die" but it is in the long term effects many of which are not known. The post recovery is different in people. Some folks develop lung damage; some develop taste /smell "loss"; fatigue, shortness of breath, headaches; kidney issues. Heck someone I know has chronic pain in his knees. Any of these could impact not only the future life of an athlete but also their potential for a professional athletic career. At least pros have big contracts. Will the universities take care of potential loss of earnings if the athlete gets Covid while playing?

Also, baseball has shown the problem with a traveling sport. How about the testing issue? Will all athletes be tested with same or one day results?[/quote]

All of these college football players are at risk for long term health issues with CTE. Why are u ok with these kids having long term brain damage possibilities but your not ok with COVID long term issues?

And what problem has baseball shown? They are going on just fine. Because they had some positive tests where no one was seriously ill you think that is a big problem? So no sports should go until there is a 0% chance of getting covid?[/quote]

Because the student athletes choose to expose themselves to CTE by choosing to play football, no matter when they play. It's a known factor. Schools would be putting the student athletes at risk for COVID by playing football during a pandemic rather than waiting until it has abated. PS there is talk of widespread opt outs that are part of this move as well. Most of the kids you would put at risk are not going to be playing after school so they're not as interested as the coaches, networks, univesity dollar men and fans in risking catching the virus for your amusement.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395665][quote="BrooklynRed" post=395664]The problem with Covid and young folks is not that they will "recover and not die" but it is in the long term effects many of which are not known. The post recovery is different in people. Some folks develop lung damage; some develop taste /smell "loss"; fatigue, shortness of breath, headaches; kidney issues. Heck someone I know has chronic pain in his knees. Any of these could impact not only the future life of an athlete but also their potential for a professional athletic career. At least pros have big contracts. Will the universities take care of potential loss of earnings if the athlete gets Covid while playing?

Also, baseball has shown the problem with a traveling sport. How about the testing issue? Will all athletes be tested with same or one day results?[/quote]

All of these college football players are at risk for long term health issues with CTE. Why are u ok with these kids having long term brain damage possibilities but your not ok with COVID long term issues?

And what problem has baseball shown? They are going on just fine. Because they had some positive tests where no one was seriously ill you think that is a big problem? So no sports should go until there is a 0% chance of getting covid?[/quote]

The Cardinals have played a grand total of 5 games (and their games this week have been canceled) whereas most other teams have played 15! You really think the baseball season is going to be completed?
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=395682]Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability.

Heart issue linked to COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern; medical sources say at least five Big Ten athletes and other athletes in the Power 5 have been found to have post-COVID heart issues.


[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability[/URL][/quote]

Is Covid helping find these underlying conditions or causing it. That needs to be determined.
 
[quote="Moose" post=395686][quote="Paultzman" post=395682]Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability.

Heart issue linked to COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern; medical sources say at least five Big Ten athletes and other athletes in the Power 5 have been found to have post-COVID heart issues.


[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability[/URL][/quote]

Is Covid helping find these underlying conditions or causing it. That needs to be determined.[/quote]

FWIW, recent studies seem to conclude Covid 'causes' heart damage.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=395688][quote="Moose" post=395686][quote="Paultzman" post=395682]Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability.

Heart issue linked to COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern; medical sources say at least five Big Ten athletes and other athletes in the Power 5 have been found to have post-COVID heart issues.


[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability[/URL][/quote]

Is Covid helping find these underlying conditions or causing it. That needs to be determined.[/quote]

FWIW, recent studies seem to conclude Covid 'causes' heart damage.[/quote]

Minnesota Vikings player recently was found to have I think the same heart issue due to the Covid testing and screening but wasn't positive. Again just one specific case but curious if its making doctors dig a little more and find things that weren't found before.
 
[quote="Moose" post=395695][quote="Chicago Days" post=395688][quote="Moose" post=395686][quote="Paultzman" post=395682]Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability.

Heart issue linked to COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern; medical sources say at least five Big Ten athletes and other athletes in the Power 5 have been found to have post-COVID heart issues.


[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability[/URL][/quote]

Is Covid helping find these underlying conditions or causing it. That needs to be determined.[/quote]

FWIW, recent studies seem to conclude Covid 'causes' heart damage.[/quote]

Minnesota Vikings player recently was found to have I think the same heart issue due to the Covid testing and screening but wasn't positive. Again just one specific case but curious if its making doctors dig a little more and find things that weren't found before.[/quote]

Right, scientists are learning and revising views on Covid about every day. Who knows. Just linking what seems a good explanation of at least current views.
[URL]https://www.health.com/conditi.../coronavirus/does-covid-19-cause-heart-damage[/URL]
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395702]Report: ACC “absolutely” plans to play in 2020

Beautiful!!![/quote]

Because plans always work out.

I don't care enough to immediately look for their exact wording, but "absolutely plans to play" is much different from "we will absolutely play." Plans are a funny thing.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=395704][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=395702]Report: ACC “absolutely” plans to play in 2020

Beautiful!!![/quote]

Because plans always work out.

I don't care enough to immediately look for their exact wording, but "absolutely plans to play" is much different from "we will absolutely play." Plans are a funny thing.[/quote]

If school openings get snagged in rising cases, all sports would likely be cancelled for '20 - '21 and we might have to 're-close' a good chunk of the country.
Let's hope things stabilize, but college sports, as well as a return to 'normalcy' remains up-in-the-air..
 
If schools are opening in less than a month in person and choices are given to opt in or out, the same should be true for the athletes. They're no more or less at risk being athletes. Everything just seems so case by case instead of being consistent and logical. I still wear my mask and distance and happy to do so. But if experts have no idea they should just say it instead of pretending. We've heard SO much conflicting research with masks, asymptomatic spreading, surface spreading, young people and COVID, etc. Now we hear potential heart damage but it's still said to be very rare.
 
There is zero conflicting evidence at this point that wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding big crowds, especially indoors, are the best ways to avoid the virus; absolutely no controversy on that. Only way to control this virus is to be smart and forget about parties, indoor restaurants and large sporting events until we have a vaccine. The NBA bubble and tennis w/o crowds are a few sports we can enjoy in the meantime. Not sure how college hoops can work as bubbles don't seem practical there. Let's just be patient and smart.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=395718]There is zero conflicting evidence at this point that wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding big crowds, especially indoors, are the best ways to avoid the virus; absolutely no controversy on that. Only way to control this virus is to be smart and forget about parties, indoor restaurants and large sporting events until we have a vaccine. The NBA bubble and tennis w/o crowds are a few sports we can enjoy in the meantime. Not sure how college hoops can work as bubbles don't seem practical there. Let's just be patient and smart.[/quote]

Don't know how valid it is, but a study about masks was done recently. Paper masks and the N-95's work well with droplets. But handkerchiefs and other more cloth based clothing material actually made it worse. The droplets would actually spread more since when big droplets went to go through the fibers, it actually split it into many more tiny droplets, making it easier to spread. Other doctors also say masks may not be truly effective either and that the virus is small enough to pass through most of them even when worn properly.
 
I missed this NYT Op Ed by Dr. Michael Osterholm 3 days ago. Am posting it now because this guy has been right throughout this thing and should be listened to; he 's calling for a 6-week lock down to gain control of Covid to a 1 in 100,000 per capita level--that SK, NZ, and others have achieved.
Otherwise, he maintains the 50,000 cases / day we're seeing now will peak well above our previous high of ~65,000 cases / day, and further damage the economy.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html[/URL]
 
[quote="Moose" post=395686][quote="Paultzman" post=395682]Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability.

Heart issue linked to COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern; medical sources say at least five Big Ten athletes and other athletes in the Power 5 have been found to have post-COVID heart issues.


[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability[/URL][/quote]

Is Covid helping find these underlying conditions or causing it. That needs to be determined.[/quote]

[URL]https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/07/30/heart-studies#[/URL]:~:text=%22The%20fact%20that%2078%25%20of,chest%20pain%2C%22%20Puntmann%20said.



Studies have shown that the novel coronavirus is associated with heart damage and cardiac problems in some patients, and research published Monday in JAMA Cardiology suggest those issues could last for months after patients recover from Covid-19—sparking concern among cardiologists that the heart complications could be permanent.

"The fact that 78% of 'recovered' [Covid-19 patients] had evidence of ongoing heart involvement means that the heart is involved in a majority of patients, even if Covid-19 illness does not scream out with the classical heart symptoms, such as anginal chest pain," Puntmann said.
 
Big 10 officially canceled. Will be very interesting to see if teams like Ohio St go and play in anther conference for the year.
 
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