Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[fordham96]

You can't keep harping on last year as if he is going to do that every year.  Lot's of differences.  No fans in the gyms last year.  Low expectations last year vs this year.  Conference is better and deeper this year.

Also yes other teams lose games but almost all of those teams have significant wins as well and much stronger schedules and resumes.  

We all said it, with the weak non-conference they could afford very little screw ups and needed to start beating better teams.  Losing to Pitt at home is really bad.  I agree they probably win with Champagnie but if you need him to beat a bad Pitt team then you probably are not very good to begin with.

They have no significant wins this year.  None.  This was year everyone picked them to finish top 4.  They have to start to make a run soon.  It's not over but it will get late soon.

Amaseinyourface post=451551
Marquette was 0-3 to begin conference play, look at them now. 

Jay Wright got beat by 20 at Creighton this season. 

We were 7-7 2-6 last year. So much worse than where we are now. Im not trying to convince any of you to be pleased with what has happened so far, just that the season changes on a dime and will do so 4-5 more times this year. 

On the bad side, I have zero confidence facing Willard with a full week to game plan exclusively for 2 games with us. Unfortunately for Mike Anderson, he can’t use that as an excuse, he just has to get it done. Get swept by the Hall and this very unforgiving fan base will reach a new level of unforgiveness. 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

You can't keep harping on last year as if he is going to do that every year.  Lot's of differences.  No fans in the gyms last year.  Low expectations last year vs this year.  Conference is better and deeper this year.

Also yes other teams lose games but almost all of those teams have significant wins as well and much stronger schedules and resumes.  

We all said it, with the weak non-conference they could afford very little screw ups and needed to start beating better teams.  Losing to Pitt at home is really bad.  I agree they probably win with Champagnie but if you need him to beat a bad Pitt team then you probably are not very good to begin with.

They have no significant wins this year.  None.  This was year everyone picked them to finish top 4.  They have to start to make a run soon.  It's not over but it will get late soon.

Amaseinyourface post=451551
Marquette was 0-3 to begin conference play, look at them now. 

Jay Wright got beat by 20 at Creighton this season. 

We were 7-7 2-6 last year. So much worse than where we are now. Im not trying to convince any of you to be pleased with what has happened so far, just that the season changes on a dime and will do so 4-5 more times this year. 

On the bad side, I have zero confidence facing Willard with a full week to game plan exclusively for 2 games with us. Unfortunately for Mike Anderson, he can’t use that as an excuse, he just has to get it done. Get swept by the Hall and this very unforgiving fan base will reach a new level of unforgiveness. 

I’m just saying at that point last year, you and many other wrote the team off. Too early IMO.

 

[SJUhoopNUT]

I agree Fordham. Especially on the expectations part. I would love to go back and see how Anderson's teams at his prior stops performed in relation to their pre-season expectations and league poll. My guess is that he's better when picked lower and gets a team to overachieve. However when you knocked on the door last year like we did, and you return your top two guys who both won some hardware, the fans rightfully expected more this year. So far he's not delivering for a variety of reasons. League is tougher (Marquette improved, Creighton hasn't slipped much, Prov is back), fans are back creating true road games again, our transfers in haven't performed well, and to be honest other than the G'town game and some moments here and there Posh hasn't made a jump in his development. 

There is time to right it. The good news is we haven't lost a home game yet in conference and if we play the way we did at Uconn, we can still steal a road game or 2. But it absolutely must start Saturday against a very crafty Willard and tough Hall team.

 

[fordham96]

I get it I just don't think the circumstances are the same.  I agree that there is still time.  But I also think we overstate how good they were last year based on that one stretch they played in January and February.  At the end of the day they were 10-9 in conference and failed to make the NCAA's.  I mean that's OK I guess.  But there is nothing particularly special about that.  

Lavin's 4th year, 2013-14, team started 0-5 in conference rallied to 10-8 and 20 wins but failed to make NCAA's.  Don't consider that a success.  I think the one difference is expectations on Lavin's year was that was considered a very talented team and last year there were low expectations.  So Mike got a lot of deserved credit.

But at the end of the day the team was an NIT team.  Nothing partcularly special.

Amaseinyourface post=451570

 

I’m just saying at that point last year, you and many other wrote the team off. Too early IMO.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I get it I just don't think the circumstances are not the same.  I agree that there is still time.  But I also think we overstate how good they were last year based on that one stretch they played in January and February.  At the end of the day they were 10-9 in conference and failed to make the NCAA's.  I mean that's OK I guess.  But there is nothing particularly special about that.  

Lavin's 4th year, 2013-14, team started 0-5 in conference rallied to 10-8 and 20 wins but failed to make NCAA's.  Don't consider that a success.  I think the one difference is expectations on Lavin's year was that was considered a very talented team and last year there were low expectations.  So Mike got a lot of deserved credit.

But at the end of the day the team was an NIT team.  Nothing partcularly special.

Amaseinyourface post=451570

 

I’m just saying at that point last year, you and many other wrote the team off. Too early IMO.

I agree that lasts years success is overstated, my opinion at that time was the success they did have during that year was more important to setting the team up for success going forward. That’s why I wasn’t celebrating the transfer swaps this off season.

 

[beast of the east]

I get it I just don't think the circumstances are not the same.  I agree that there is still time.  But I also think we overstate how good they were last year based on that one stretch they played in January and February.  At the end of the day they were 10-9 in conference and failed to make the NCAA's.  I mean that's OK I guess.  But there is nothing particularly special about that.  

Lavin's 4th year, 2013-14, team started 0-5 in conference rallied to 10-8 and 20 wins but failed to make NCAA's.  Don't consider that a success.  I think the one difference is expectations on Lavin's year was that was considered a very talented team and last year there were low expectations.  So Mike got a lot of deserved credit.

But at the end of the day the team was an NIT team.  Nothing partcularly special.

Amaseinyourface post=451570

 

I’m just saying at that point last year, you and many other wrote the team off. Too early IMO.

I agree that lasts years success is overstated, my opinion at that time was the success they did have during that year was more important to setting the team up for success going forward. That’s why I wasn’t celebrating the transfer swaps this off season.

Last year we won despite losing LJ Figueroa.   Our fans projected that loss as a gain because JC emerged as a college star after getting out from under LJ's shadow.   

It's kneejerk irrational behavior to crap on Posh and JC this morning.  Posh is playing hurt, and JC is not an unstoppable offensive force.   It's clear that when he has an off night scoring, we are in bad shape.  

Unfortunately, once Creighton got a decent lead, our team quit.   No excuses for that.   The game is 40 minutes, and while you can't always play well, you can always play hard.

 

[we are sju]

Other than Norm whoever the coach is will make the tourney once or twice every 6 years. No one will be happy but that is who we are.

 

[we are sju]

Also Anderson will get frustrated and move on before school moves on from him is my prediction 

 

[paultzman]

I try to stay relatively grounded on team performance and not jump to conclusions re: where we end up. That said, I thought with our two best players & Dylan returning with adequate replacements for the guys who left, we would have a successful Dance season, maybe make some noise and positively impact recruiting. Yes, last year the team dug out of a hole and scrambled for bid consideration, so the door remains open for a run. However, the clock is ticking and the lack of chemistry, some really bad performances and the inability to grab opportunity wins has to give one pause.

As noted before, the four games in succession v Creighton, SH twice and Nova is a litmus test. Last night’s dreadful performance certainly hurt v a competent, but less than stellar Creighton team and bodes poorly for the next three. We just don’t defend or rebound well, depend far too much on one guy and go off the rails digging big holes too often. Staff has to be concerned obviously. If we can beat SH at home to stop the bleeding, most of us will feel better for the moment, but I frankly think the season’s prognosis offers little hope. We just have too many holes.
 

 

[Mullins Revenge]

Coach needs to do an about face fast.  This is what I would do:

Starters moving forward: Posh, Wusu, Champy, Wheeler, Stanley

Id cut Mathis's minutes tremendously as guys are literally playing 5 feet off him cause he cant shoot and clogging up the lane.

Id give Coburn some major burn and see if he can get things going especially from 3.  Maybe that will open up the middle.

Its do or die time.  If he trots Soriano and mathis out there again with the starters, he is truly clueless and needs to go.

 

[ADORAZ]

Can anyone point to a year that they consider successful in which we didn't make the Tournament (or at least the NIT)?

Given that last year was an odd year (shortened season, no fans, pauses, etc), I did consider it to be successful with one big caveat: that our Big East 4th place finish wasn't a fluke and that we'd build upon it this year. As some have pointed out this season isn't over yet, but assuming we don't make the Dance then I would no longer consider last year to be successful in any sense. If anything it might even be one of our worst years ever if it resulted in an extension that would set back our program for ~5 additional years. If last year's "Coach of the Year" award resulted in better recruiting than the #61 incoming class I'd also be more optimistic about our future, but thus far it hasn't amounted to stability, wins, or decent recruiting.

 

[Windy City Johnny Fan]

Of all the things that need fixing, how about starting with our 3 point defense?

Currently ranked 73rd out of 74 power 6 conference teams, and 313 out of 350 D1 overall.

That seems really, really bad to me.

Not sure if it's the outdated press, our awful defensive rotations or the fact that we can't stay in front of anybody, but I would think this is something the coaches should be focused on fixing.  Seems really important given the importance of the 3 point shot in today's modern college basketball.  But I just work here.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Of all the things that need fixing, how about starting with our 3 point defense?

Currently ranked 73rd out of 74 power 6 conference teams, and 313 out of 350 D1 overall.

That seems really, really bad to me.

Not sure if it's the outdated press, our awful defensive rotations or the fact that we can't stay in front of anybody, but I would think this is something the coaches should be focused on fixing.  Seems really important given the importance of the 3 point shot in today's modern college basketball.  But I just work here.

Tough to win with those numbers. There’s a lot to it but I think it starts with our pick and roll defense. It’s bad and it requires all 5 guys each time there’s a ball screen.

We switch and show help and because of that the 3rd player who’s responsible for taking away the paint from the roller, is often times digging in the paint leaving his original man open on the perimeter. It’s one good pass away from being a 4-3 advantage every time. When Stanley is in as the 5, it’s much less noticeable.

 

[RedStormNC]

Wow.. I didn't realize that bad.  313th out of 350 total in D1...  allowing 36.3%.(140 of 386 attempts)

[URL]https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/518/p7[/URL]]NCAA College Men's Basketball DI current team Stats | NCAA.com[/url]

Windy City - How did you easily narrow down to the Power 6 totals ?

 

 

[ADORAZ]

Wow.. I didn't realize that bad.  313th out of 350 total in D1...  allowing 36.3%.(140 of 386 attempts)

[URL]https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/518/p7[/URL]]NCAA College Men's Basketball DI current team Stats | NCAA.com[/url]

Windy City - How did you easily narrow down to the Power 6 totals ?


 

I think he just eyeballed it given how low we are on the list. Only BC is behind us.

 

[Windy City Johnny Fan]

Wow.. I didn't realize that bad.  313th out of 350 total in D1...  allowing 36.3%.(140 of 386 attempts)

[URL]https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/518/p7[/URL]]NCAA College Men's Basketball DI current team Stats | NCAA.com[/url]

Windy City - How did you easily narrow down to the Power 6 totals ?


 

I just looked at the list.  The only P6 school behind us is BC.  With the exception of Miami and perhaps Arkansas, the other P6 schools that are ranked 260 or worse is a who's who of crappy power teams - DePaul, Georgetown, Northwestern, Missouri, Nebraska, us, Boston College.  Seems important.

 

[Knight]

Coach has to keep in mind his players when planning strategy.  You can’t alway get the players to do what you want, especially if they don’t have that skill set.

 

[MainMan]

When you return the conference’s leading scorer and the co-defensive player of the year, you’re starting off with a hell of a lot of talent that other BE coaches could only wish for.

So stop downplaying Julian and Posh. 

if you can’t win with them, you can’t win at all.

 

 

[Section3]

Of all the things that need fixing, how about starting with our 3 point defense?

Currently ranked 73rd out of 74 power 6 conference teams, and 313 out of 350 D1 overall.

That seems really, really bad to me.

Not sure if it's the outdated press, our awful defensive rotations or the fact that we can't stay in front of anybody, but I would think this is something the coaches should be focused on fixing.  Seems really important given the importance of the 3 point shot in today's modern college basketball.  But I just work here.

Tough to win with those numbers. There’s a lot to it but I think it starts with our pick and roll defense. It’s bad and it requires all 5 guys each time there’s a ball screen.

We switch and show help and because of that the 3rd player who’s responsible for taking away the paint from the roller, is often times digging in the paint leaving his original man open on the perimeter. It’s one good pass away from being a 4-3 advantage every time. When Stanley is in as the 5, it’s much less noticeable.

Bingo

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

When you return the conference’s leading scorer and the co-defensive player of the year, you’re starting off with a hell of a lot of talent that other BE coaches could only wish for.

So stop downplaying Julian and Posh. 

if you can’t win with them, you can’t win at all.


 

You are overrating them both at this point. They are very good but not great players. Neither is NBA starter material. Posh probably wouldn’t even get a look at the NBA right now. You can’t win with just two very good players.