Anderson - is he really the guy ?

Dan V post=451200 said:
Anderson needs more time thats why he got an extension. I’m glad they understand that you can’t just keep shuffling through coaches if you want to build a respectable program. This year got set back by having to bring in 6 transfers. Just keeping Greg Williams would of been huge, miss his 3 and D ability. Anderson seems to do better with freshman he can mold (Champ, Posh, Wusu). Pinzon is a legit 6’5”/6’6” point guard who can hit from outside, you just don’t see that everyday. Stanley has shown a high motor which is necessary with CMA, with more strength and skill development he looks like a keeper. Traore is a mystery but Anderson has already proven his eye for HS recruits is trustworthy. If Mathis, Wheeler and Soriano stick around I think with a year under their belts they will improve a good amount. Storr is a 4 star top 100 recruit. King will be able to develop at his own pace with our depth at guard. I can see Anderson bringing in 3 more guys in the '22 class with Nyiwe possibly transferring. I fully believe he will establish SJU as a perennial BE contender by his 5th year. By that I mean a chance to get a bid every single year like every team in our league minus G’town and DePaul. Im OK with that but I’m aware not all fans are willing to wait that long. 
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@RedStormNC - how did you put a Thank You on this post and the one right after it saying Anderson is a disappointment who is not the answer? It seems like two directly opposite views. I'm in the camp of the post above, let's support what Anderson is doing here.
 
The thing that's incredibly frustrating and the only reason why this thread keeps going on and on and on is that right now we're a very mediocre team with two of the best players to play for SJU in a long time. 

We have a window with Julian and Posh and it's closing fast. 

Louie saw it with Mullin and went all out to get Berry, even suing the NCAA. They went to the FF.

Louie had it with Sealy and didn't do much of anything to bolster that team. And they lost to Tulane. 

Jarvis had it with Hatten and we went to the NIT.

Maybe this team will turn it on from here on out and be memorable. Just not seeing any signs despite the Gtown drubbing.
 
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Proud Alumn post=451212 said:
 
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@RedStormNC - how did you put a Thank You on this post and the one right after it saying Anderson is a disappointment who is not the answer? It seems like two directly opposite views. I'm in the camp of the post above, let's support what Anderson is doing here.
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I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing. Sometimes, I am but other times I'm thanking them for sharing their point of view, usually if well laid out,informative, funny, witty or perhaps even gets me to think about it from a different view etc.
 
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MainMan post=451213 said:
The thing that's incredibly frustrating and the only reason why this thread keeps going on and on and on is that right now we're a very mediocre team with two of the best players to play for SJU in a long time. 

We have a window with Julian and Posh and it's closing fast. 

Louie saw it with Mullin and went all out to get Berry, even suing the NCAA. They went to the FF.

Louie had it with Sealy and didn't do much of anything to bolster that team. And they lost to Tulane. 

Jarvis had it with Hatten and we went to the NIT.

Maybe this team will turn it on from here on out and be memorable. Just not seeing any signs despite the Gtown drubbing.

Sealy’s junior year the team made the elite eight.  They were picked pre-season top ten his senior year and underachieved.  Plenty of talent around Sealy all four years. 

Posh is a good player but is not one of the best players to play at SJU for a long time.  If the season were to end now, I don’t think he’d make any of the all conference teams.
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Can't wait for the next blitz of Red White Club emails and social media posts to donate more to build the future of the program.

 
 
Hey we're bad now and losing Champ next year, but at least we have the #61 incoming class (#8 in the Big East).
 
I know Creighton is and can be a tough out at home, but tonight's game and, frankly, most of the season has been bad basketball.  Other than our first couple games of the season and the game at Indiana; it hasn't been good basketball.  I'm including our blowout versus Georgetown on Sunday.  We should've beaten the Hoyas by 30 based on how they played.  I was satisfied we won but I wasn't particularly thrilled by how we played overall against the Hoyas. 

Mike Anderson, IMO, needs to tweak his style of coaching and get better players.  Otherwise, I suspect we're gonna have a mixed bag of results.  Frankly, his style of play seems outdated.  It too often leads to breakdowns, whether it's forays to the basket or wide-open threes.  It's also exacerbated because we can't rebound the ball.  We're regularly out of position and the opposition ends up with extra possessions.

Kevin Willard situations are rare.  By that, I mean, you don't frequently see a situation where a coach is either mediocre or stink it up for 4 or 5 years and then suddenly turns it around.  Willard bought himself some time with the "gray area" recruitment of the Whitehead and Delgado class.  The class springboard his career and he started to show his chops as a more than decent coach.  Not to mention, Willard was young and had some time to change or modify things if needed be.  Anderson is 62 years old and likely won't change his style.  He's also won many games with this style of play which will likely increase any stubbornness to tweak it.

To put it bluntly, Mike Anderson has to make a serious run this season to get to the Dance or go deep into the NIT (like Final 4 of the NIT) or he's one more subpar or bad season (2022-2023) away from being fired.  
 
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MJDinkins post=451457 said:
I know Creighton is and can be a tough out at home, but tonight's game and, frankly, most of the season has been bad basketball.  Other than our first couple games of the season and the game at Indiana; it hasn't been good basketball.  I'm including our blowout versus Georgetown on Sunday.  We should've beaten the Hoyas by 30 based on how they played.  I was satisfied we won but I wasn't particularly thrilled by how we played overall against the Hoyas. 

Mike Anderson, IMO, needs to tweak his style of coaching and get better players.  Otherwise, I suspect we're gonna have a mixed bag of results.  Frankly, his style of play seems outdated.  It too often leads to breakdowns, whether it's forays to the basket or wide-open threes.  It's also exacerbated because we can't rebound the ball.  We're regularly out of position and the opposition ends up with extra possessions.

Kevin Willard situations are rare.  By that, I mean, you don't frequently see a situation where a coach is either mediocre or stink it up for 4 or 5 years and then suddenly turns it around.  Willard bought himself some time with the "gray area" recruitment of the Whitehead and Delgado class.  The class springboard his career and he started to show his chops as a more than decent coach.  Not to mention, Willard was young and had some time to change or modify things if needed be.  Anderson is 62 years old and likely won't change his style.  He's also won many games with this style of play which will likely increase any stubbornness to tweak it.

To put it bluntly, Mike Anderson has to make a serious run this season to get to the Dance or go deep into the NIT (like Final 4 of the NIT) or he's one more subpar or bad season (2022-2023) away from being fired.  
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Gréât honest assessment of where this team stands and CMA as a coach , and welcome back it has been far too long since you have posted. 
we all think he is a great guy and want him to succeed but the facts are the facts and you have presented them so accurately. 
don’t disappear again. 
 
MJDinkins post=451457 said:
I know Creighton is and can be a tough out at home, but tonight's game and, frankly, most of the season has been bad basketball.  Other than our first couple games of the season and the game at Indiana; it hasn't been good basketball.  I'm including our blowout versus Georgetown on Sunday.  We should've beaten the Hoyas by 30 based on how they played.  I was satisfied we won but I wasn't particularly thrilled by how we played overall against the Hoyas. 

Mike Anderson, IMO, needs to tweak his style of coaching and get better players.  Otherwise, I suspect we're gonna have a mixed bag of results.  Frankly, his style of play seems outdated.  It too often leads to breakdowns, whether it's forays to the basket or wide-open threes.  It's also exacerbated because we can't rebound the ball.  We're regularly out of position and the opposition ends up with extra possessions.

Kevin Willard situations are rare.  By that, I mean, you don't frequently see a situation where a coach is either mediocre or stink it up for 4 or 5 years and then suddenly turns it around.  Willard bought himself some time with the "gray area" recruitment of the Whitehead and Delgado class.  The class springboard his career and he started to show his chops as a more than decent coach.  Not to mention, Willard was young and had some time to change or modify things if needed be.  Anderson is 62 years old and likely won't change his style.  He's also won many games with this style of play which will likely increase any stubbornness to tweak it.

To put it bluntly, Mike Anderson has to make a serious run this season to get to the Dance or go deep into the NIT (like Final 4 of the NIT) or he's one more subpar or bad season (2022-2023) away from being fired.  
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Astute assessment Dink, and great to have you back. 
 
MJDinkins post=451457 said:
I know Creighton is and can be a tough out at home, but tonight's game and, frankly, most of the season has been bad basketball.  Other than our first couple games of the season and the game at Indiana; it hasn't been good basketball.  I'm including our blowout versus Georgetown on Sunday.  We should've beaten the Hoyas by 30 based on how they played.  I was satisfied we won but I wasn't particularly thrilled by how we played overall against the Hoyas. 

Mike Anderson, IMO, needs to tweak his style of coaching and get better players.  Otherwise, I suspect we're gonna have a mixed bag of results.  Frankly, his style of play seems outdated.  It too often leads to breakdowns, whether it's forays to the basket or wide-open threes.  It's also exacerbated because we can't rebound the ball.  We're regularly out of position and the opposition ends up with extra possessions.

Kevin Willard situations are rare.  By that, I mean, you don't frequently see a situation where a coach is either mediocre or stink it up for 4 or 5 years and then suddenly turns it around.  Willard bought himself some time with the "gray area" recruitment of the Whitehead and Delgado class.  The class springboard his career and he started to show his chops as a more than decent coach.  Not to mention, Willard was young and had some time to change or modify things if needed be.  Anderson is 62 years old and likely won't change his style.  He's also won many games with this style of play which will likely increase any stubbornness to tweak it.

To put it bluntly, Mike Anderson has to make a serious run this season to get to the Dance or go deep into the NIT (like Final 4 of the NIT) or he's one more subpar or bad season (2022-2023) away from being fired.  
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Welcome back!
 
I have a suspicion that CMA’s above .500 streak ends this year.
 
This team stinks and Anderson stinks even more. End of story.

Wake me up in 3 years or however long it will take this incompetent school to fire him. 
 
CMA is dreadful.  When Champy returned, the pressure was on for him to win.  And this team is even worse then last year.

Get Drew Valentine in here.  We need a young and hungry coach to turn this program around.
 
Duke of Earlington post=451491 said:
CMA is dreadful.  When Champy returned, the pressure was on for him to win.  And this team is even worse then last year.

Get Drew Valentine in here.  We need a young and hungry coach to turn this program around.
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Duke, I agree we need a young hungry coach. But, why would Valentine come here? He has a ranked team now and there facilities are probably better than ours. He will wait for either Collins at Northwestern or Stubblefield at DePaul to misstep and then grab one of those jobs. He won’t even have to leave Chicago.
 
Mean Gene post=451497 said:
Duke of Earlington post=451491 said:
CMA is dreadful.  When Champy returned, the pressure was on for him to win.  And this team is even worse then last year.

Get Drew Valentine in here.  We need a young and hungry coach to turn this program around.
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Duke, I agree we need a young hungry coach. But, why would Valentine come here? He has a ranked team now and there facilities are probably better than ours. He will wait for either Collins at Northwestern or Stubblefield at DePaul to misstep and then grab one of those jobs. He won’t even have to leave Chicago.
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Stubblefield at DePaul isnt going anywhere.  Hes a heck of a coach and already has depaul being very competitive.

We need to make Valentine an offer he cant refuse.  Pay the man and he will come.  Triple, quadruple his salary at chicago loyola.  Do whatever it takes to get him here.
 
Duke of Earlington post=45150 said:
We need to make Valentine an offer he cant refuse.  Pay the man and he will come.  Triple, quadruple his salary at chicago loyola.  Do whatever it takes to get him here.
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All that President Shanley needs to do to accomplish this is to head out to the money tree to get the needed funds.
 
Starting to question Cragg too. He wanted Bobby Hurley, who is about to flame out in ASU. He basically had nowhere to turn so he went to his Duke guys who recommended Anderson. 

Although I think it's pointless at this point to even have this discussion one name I would be interested in Robert Jones from Norfolk St. coach who is from Queens. Keeping him on the radar if anything happens in a year. Realistically I don't see it until 2022-2023 at the earliest. 
 
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