Anderson - is he really the guy ?

[SLYFOXX1968]

Watching the Iona - Manhattan game, and commentator noted how much fundraising Pitino is doing to make improvements to facilities.

Wonder if Anderson is active on this end of the job.                          Rick Pitino grew up and Coached the Knicks and Celtics here in NY .  Mike Anderson is from Alabama I think and Coached at Tulsa , Missouri and Arkansas .  He would not have the Connections with Alums , Corporate Donors , etc that Slick Rick does . 

 

[ras]

I know a lot of people disagree w me. But I would have hired Pitino. He would have really turned our program around.

 

[redmannorth]

Watching the Iona - Manhattan game, and commentator noted how much fundraising Pitino is doing to make improvements to facilities.

Wonder if Anderson is active on this end of the job.                          Rick Pitino grew up and Coached the Knicks and Celtics here in NY .  Mike Anderson is from Alabama I think and Coached at Tulsa , Missouri and Arkansas .  He would not have the Connections with Alums , Corporate Donors , etc that Slick Rick does . 

It doesn’t matter where Anderson comes from but that is just not his personality. Furthermore, he wasn’t hired to fundraise, he was hired to win Bball games. Don’t ask him to be something or someone he is not. If he wins more games from one season to the next attendance will increase, exposure in the media will increase, alumni and others will attend more of the schools fundraising events and as a result of all of the foregoing the money will come in. All I want to see him do is win games , if so the rest will easily fall into place. 

 

[Redzone]

If StJ is content with the program being mid pack (at best) in B.E. with the NIT our best post season option.  ........ He's the guy.

 

[Mullins Revenge]

If StJ is content with the program being mid pack (at best) in B.E. with the NIT our best post season option.  ........ He's the guy.

2 1/2 years in, yes I would have to agree.

Shaka Smart has accomplished more in half a season at Marquette then CMA has in 2 1/2 seasons at SJU.

 

[RedStormNC]

Hey, hey....he might not be Shaka Smart, but he did lead a team to score 119 vs. Mississippi Valley St......Lol

 

 

[beast of the east]

Say what you'd like, but the only game we lost that we were supposed to win was Pitt, and even then we were short our best player by far.

Talk to me after Sunday.  Georgetown at home is a game we must win.

If you’re satisfied with our winning only those games we’re supposed to win (i.e., those games in which we’re favored) then you’re signaling you’ll be satisfied with six or seven wins in conference bc, at best, that’s the number of games we’ll be favored in the rest of the way.

We’re  0-4  in quad 1 games and have a NET ratings in the 100s.  There’s no way to sugarcoat our current start in year 3 of the CMA regime, particularly given the expectations.



 

0-1 in quad 1 games at home, and that was vs. #3 team in country at a neutral site (ubs).

2 point loss to indiana away

OT Loss to UCONN in a game we had in our hands.

 

[room112]

I honestly don't even know how anyone can debate if Anderson is the guy. If anyone wants to direct their anger anywhere, it should be at the school, administration and board who allowed this once legendary basketball team to fall into such mediocrity with their mom and pop approach. 

By all indications, Mike Anderson is working hard and doing the best he possibly can. What more can you realistically ask? Do I need to remind everyone that nobody wanted this job during the last coaching search? Do we need to list all of the reasons again as to why it isn't a desirable job?

I'm not happy with the results this year either, but I'm certainly not blaming Anderson. 

 

[beast of the east]

If StJ is content with the program being mid pack (at best) in B.E. with the NIT our best post season option.  ........ He's the guy.

2 1/2 years in, yes I would have to agree.

Shaka Smart has accomplished more in half a season at Marquette then CMA has in 2 1/2 seasons at SJU.

How does a school like Marquette have more to offer to a coach than a school like st. Johns?

[URL]https://www.marquette.edu/email/today/campaign-4-08-21.php[/URL]

How come Pitino can say these facilities need upgrade for him to be able to recruit real talent but our administration cannot?

Raising money isn't on the coach, it's on the school's development office and on the alumni.

If you don't think Anderson's out there trying to help raise funds then what is he doing at athletic department's fundraising events? He is at the President's dinner, the golf outing, the basketball dinner - all fundraising events.

He may not have slick Rick's tongue, but every head coach of a revenue producing sport at every school does his part to raise donations.

 

[beast of the east]

I honestly don't even know how anyone can debate if Anderson is the guy. If anyone wants to direct their anger anywhere, it should be at the school, administration and board who allowed this once legendary basketball team to fall into such mediocrity with their mom and pop approach. 

By all indications, Mike Anderson is working hard and doing the best he possibly can. What more can you realistically ask? Do I need to remind everyone that nobody wanted this job during the last coaching search? Do we need to list all of the reasons again as to why it isn't a desirable job?

I'm not happy with the results this year either, but I'm certainly not blaming Anderson. 

Some schools have had time pass them by.

Do you know that Looie had a deal never to be paid more than the university president? I think his maximum salary was $125k per year. When he left to coach the Nets, his replacement, Frank Mulzoff was paid what experienced faculty made, $17,500 per year.

Just 15 years prior, st John's single handedly jumpstarted the ACC, by refusing a $2,000 raise to Frank McGuire from about $5,000 per year.

In the beginning post Looie we paid a competitive salary to Mahoney given his lack of experience 400k.

Two coaches later SJU doubled that to bring in GW's ( and Patrick Ewings hs coach) mike Jarvis.

Since Lavin we've paid big salaries but over that long stretch ignored everything else.

Shanley is the first president who appears to have a handle on what it takes, cragg the first AD since Manetta.

I guarantee you though, if fans don't ante up, we will never be a competitive program on an equal footing with top programs.

 

[RedStormNC]

Beast - once the campaign launches, would you expect to see a very specific, targeted effect for the program that clearly articulates how much would be targeted for basketball and what the contributions will fund ?

With a specific campaign, i can see average fans stepping up more than if its just going to be rolled into a more comprehensive university wide campaign where athletics facilities get lost in a longer list of university ambitions.

 

[beast of the east]

Beast - once the campaign launches, would you expect to see a very specific, targeted effect for the program that clearly articulates how much would be targeted for basketball and what the contributions will fund ?

With a specific campaign, i can see average fans stepping up more than if its just going to be rolled into a more comprehensive university wide campaign where athletics facilities get lost in a longer list of university ambitions.

The strategic plan for the athletic department as far as I know is extremely detailed and specific as to what is needed and estimated costs. It must be folded into the university strategic plan. Any donor giving can always be specified for a particular use.

Insofar as CMA, I would say our facilities are an impediment to recruiting but would agree he has to do better recruiting with or without facilities. Facilities won't guarantee 4 and 5 star recruits but horrible facilities put us at a severe recruiting disadvantage.

 

[RedStormNC]

Re: Lou salary

I remember reading once Jim Boeheim saying he was in a BE coaches meeting and somehow told Louie his salary which was more than his with less experience, plus he was getting money from one of the sneaker companies and free gear for team and Lou was shocked.

 

[room112]

I honestly don't even know how anyone can debate if Anderson is the guy. If anyone wants to direct their anger anywhere, it should be at the school, administration and board who allowed this once legendary basketball team to fall into such mediocrity with their mom and pop approach. 

By all indications, Mike Anderson is working hard and doing the best he possibly can. What more can you realistically ask? Do I need to remind everyone that nobody wanted this job during the last coaching search? Do we need to list all of the reasons again as to why it isn't a desirable job?

I'm not happy with the results this year either, but I'm certainly not blaming Anderson. 

Some schools have had time pass them by.

Do you know that Looie had a deal never to be paid more than the university president? I think his maximum salary was $125k per year. When he left to coach the Nets, his replacement, Frank Mulzoff was paid what experienced faculty made, $17,500 per year.

Just 15 years prior, st John's single handedly jumpstarted the ACC, by refusing a $2,000 raise to Frank McGuire from about $5,000 per year.

In the beginning post Looie we paid a competitive salary to Mahoney given his lack of experience 400k.

Two coaches later SJU doubled that to bring in GW's ( and Patrick Ewings hs coach) mike Jarvis.

Since Lavin we've paid big salaries but over that long stretch ignored everything else.

Shanley is the first president who appears to have a handle on what it takes, cragg the first AD since Manetta.

I guarantee you though, if fans don't ante up, we will never be a competitive program on an equal footing with top programs.

It's interesting Beast. The way I view the current status of the St John's basketball program, it's almost like a series of misfortunes/bad luck over the past 2+ decades have led to where we are now.

Imagine if Jarvis had taken the Wizards job? The decision for him to stay cascaded into him bring terrible and getting fired, leading to the Pittsburgh incident, and 6 years of Norm who was never really qualified.

The Lavin hire was a major league move. But imagine if else never got cancer? That and seemingly other personal life issues impacted his tenure here. Who knows if those things never happen, maybe he's still here.

The Mullin hire as we know was just poor decision making.

My point is, if a few things could have broken differently, we could have built up years of sustained success, which in turn lead to more money flowing into the program. Right now it feels like we're trying to push a massive boulder uphill.

 

[ronm]

I honestly don't even know how anyone can debate if Anderson is the guy. If anyone wants to direct their anger anywhere, it should be at the school, administration and board who allowed this once legendary basketball team to fall into such mediocrity with their mom and pop approach. 

By all indications, Mike Anderson is working hard and doing the best he possibly can. What more can you realistically ask? Do I need to remind everyone that nobody wanted this job during the last coaching search? Do we need to list all of the reasons again as to why it isn't a desirable job?

I'm not happy with the results this year either, but I'm certainly not blaming Anderson. 

Some schools have had time pass them by.

Do you know that Looie had a deal never to be paid more than the university president? I think his maximum salary was $125k per year. When he left to coach the Nets, his replacement, Frank Mulzoff was paid what experienced faculty made, $17,500 per year.

Just 15 years prior, st John's single handedly jumpstarted the ACC, by refusing a $2,000 raise to Frank McGuire from about $5,000 per year.

In the beginning post Looie we paid a competitive salary to Mahoney given his lack of experience 400k.

Two coaches later SJU doubled that to bring in GW's ( and Patrick Ewings hs coach) mike Jarvis.

Since Lavin we've paid big salaries but over that long stretch ignored everything else.

Shanley is the first president who appears to have a handle on what it takes, cragg the first AD since Manetta.

I guarantee you though, if fans don't ante up, we will never be a competitive program on an equal footing with top programs.

It's interesting Beast. The way I view the current status of the St John's basketball program, it's almost like a series of misfortunes/bad luck over the past 2+ decades have led to where we are now.

Imagine if Jarvis had taken the Wizards job? The decision for him to stay cascaded into him bring terrible and getting fired, leading to the Pittsburgh incident, and 6 years of Norm who was never really qualified.

The Lavin hire was a major league move. But imagine if else never got cancer? That and seemingly other personal life issues impacted his tenure here. Who knows if those things never happen, maybe he's still here.

The Mullin hire as we know was just poor decision making.

My point is, if a few things could have broken differently, we could have built up years of sustained success, which in turn lead to more money flowing into the program. Right now it feels like we're trying to push a massive boulder uphill.

You can go all the way back to forcing Joe Lapchick to retire and missing out on Lew Alcindor as a result!
 

 

[RedStormNC]

Fr. Harringtonn spending $14M on a remote graduate school center on a 170 acre property & former Borne mansion owned by La Salle Bros. wasn't a great move either.

This was 1999, right when Jarvis was getting huge results..  We didn't invest then and Taeffner facility wasn't for another half a decade..and that investment as we know was scaled back to around same $14M.

Luckily we sold Oakdale mansion property for $22M a few years ago, but proceeds likely went to keeping the overall operation afloat.

Hindsight always 20/20.

I know many would be against it, but think school school carefully weigh pros/cons of the Staten Island 17 acre campus...Not sure what that property might be worth along with the operational expense.



 

 

[dee]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

 

[beast of the east]

dee post=450752There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas koidid the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

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[Dan V]

Anderson needs more time thats why he got an extension. I’m glad they understand that you can’t just keep shuffling through coaches if you want to build a respectable program. This year got set back by having to bring in 6 transfers. Just keeping Greg Williams would of been huge, miss his 3 and D ability. Anderson seems to do better with freshman he can mold (Champ, Posh, Wusu). Pinzon is a legit 6’5”/6’6” point guard who can hit from outside, you just don’t see that everyday. Stanley has shown a high motor which is necessary with CMA, with more strength and skill development he looks like a keeper. Traore is a mystery but Anderson has already proven his eye for HS recruits is trustworthy. If Mathis, Wheeler and Soriano stick around I think with a year under their belts they will improve a good amount. Storr is a 4 star top 100 recruit. King will be able to develop at his own pace with our depth at guard. I can see Anderson bringing in 3 more guys in the '22 class with Nyiwe possibly transferring. I fully believe he will establish SJU as a perennial BE contender by his 5th year. By that I mean a chance to get a bid every single year like every team in our league minus G’town and DePaul. Im OK with that but I’m aware not all fans are willing to wait that long. 

 

[Linx]

Simple...No, he isn't the answer. His resume the last decade + speaks for itself. He is a safe choice that will keep the program treading water, but that's about it. Get ready to be disappointed year in and year out.