All Realignment Talk Here

[newsman13]

take a deep breath and think about it.

college sports ratings aren't big city market driven. it's the opposite. new yorkers aren't staying home to watch a bad or mediocre basketball team battle another mediocrity. they're not. they never have. they never will. the same holds true in other major cities. there are too many choices.

students in places such as durham, ann arbor, south bend, syracuse...and their alums stay home and watch no matter how badly their teams are doing.

it's delusional to think a small league made up of "big city" teams will bring in big network bucks. there's too much competition from true big time college basketball programs...and from the pros.

the pollyanna approach the "new big east" athletic directors are selling the fan base does no more than keep them at their comfort levels.

to go from the most powerful basketball conference in the nation to another atlantic 10 sickens me. it's the equivalent of ucla hiring norm roberts after john wooden retired. i know the majority here would have supported that move...as you're supporting the softening of the basketball conference under the guise that miracles happen.

go rangers!!

Newsman, you have made this point often and I tend to agree, but what choice do they have. The ship was sinking. A hybrid league could end up much like the present Big East. UCONN could be an answer but are they waiting for the ACC?

So the 500 Million 12 year offer from Fox Sports is pure fiction?

not "pure" fiction...but if you think the powers at fox (who are great at making money) plan to hand over five million dollars per team per year based on a "catholic seven or whatever", i have a boatload of psychedelics waiting at a pier in bayonne to sell you. i better guard my stash, a few of you are tripping already. somebody better read the fine print, that's all i'll say about that..

if fox does get involved, and they may, i guarantee they'll come up with something more creative than a crappy league that'll compete with he atlantic 10. and, joe3...i don't mean we'll morph into the atlantic 10 in five minutes. five years is more like it...

moose, i understand why and support the seven basketball teams that opted out of the conference. it was a no brainer. i'm just hoping we're not surfing on a turd that's spinning down the toilet.

Have you considered that they may have to overpay and be aggressive because they are a brand new network trying to get national recognition? For all we know, ESPN will fight them tooth and nail and we have ourselves a bidding war.

it's not in fox's DNA to overpay. you might say they "overpaid" for the NFC in order to wrest it from NBC. at the time, fox had few affiliates. once they got football, hundreds of tv stations got on board. that "overpayment" put the fox network on the map and put billions in murdoch's pocket.

i don't see them getting into a bidding war over a skeleton big east league. it doesn't make any sense.

 

[redken]

Die UCONN! Die! Die! Die!

Don't think UConn is about to die, at least not in the foreseeable future. They have a great fan base, lots of money, and it's likely they'll going to what will be the best basketball conference in America -- (and their football program will be no worse off than it currently is in the Big East) -- where they'll be joining a core of Duke, UNC, NC State, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Not bad. And unless Kevin Ollie, who seems to relate well to players, turns out to be a bust, and unless the ACC stupidly turns its back on them, UConn will continue to attractive quality recruits.

 

[bk8664]

Die UCONN! Die! Die! Die!

Don't think UConn is about to die, at least not in the foreseeable future. They have a great fan base, lots of money, and it's likely they'll going to what will be the best basketball conference in America -- (and their football program will be no worse off than it currently is in the Big East) -- where they'll be joining a core of Duke, UNC, NC State, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Not bad. And unless Kevin Ollie, who seems to relate well to players, turns out to be a bust, and unless the ACC stupidly turns its back on them, UConn will continue to attractive quality recruit.

That notwithstanding, I need a little hate in my life....

and I'll add as an edit:
I hope their football ends up in the prestigious Spare Parts Bowl. That will suite them well.

 

[redken]

Die UCONN! Die! Die! Die!

Don't think UConn is about to die, at least not in the foreseeable future. They have a great fan base, lots of money, and it's likely they'll going to what will be the best basketball conference in America -- (and their football program will be no worse off than it currently is in the Big East) -- where they'll be joining a core of Duke, UNC, NC State, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Not bad. And unless Kevin Ollie, who seems to relate well to players, turns out to be a bust, and unless the ACC stupidly turns its back on them, UConn will continue to attractive quality recruit.

That notwithstanding, I need a little hate in my life....

and I'll add as an edit:
I hope their football ends up in the prestigious Spare Parts Bowl. That will suite them well.

Not the ever-popular Toilet Bowl?

 

[bk8664]

Die UCONN! Die! Die! Die!

Don't think UConn is about to die, at least not in the foreseeable future. They have a great fan base, lots of money, and it's likely they'll going to what will be the best basketball conference in America -- (and their football program will be no worse off than it currently is in the Big East) -- where they'll be joining a core of Duke, UNC, NC State, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Not bad. And unless Kevin Ollie, who seems to relate well to players, turns out to be a bust, and unless the ACC stupidly turns its back on them, UConn will continue to attractive quality recruit.

That notwithstanding, I need a little hate in my life....

and I'll add as an edit:
I hope their football ends up in the prestigious Spare Parts Bowl. That will suite them well.

Not the ever-popular Toilet Bowl?

Even better

 

[MCNPA]

"And hopefully in no way, shape, matter, or form does SJU ever schedule Uconn and Cincy. Let them become wastelands."

I know there is much debate on this board about whether to schedule Big East traitors. For the record, neither UConn or Cincy left yet, even if both desire to do so. But beyond that, I'd like to keep Cincy around on the schedule. For starters, we seem to get quality wins when they appear on the calendar! Secondly, just as a fan of basketball, love how tight their games always are, even if somewhat ugly in the process. They have an under-appreciated basketball history. And they are seemingly always in the running for similar recruits as us. I just think it would be cool schedule some home-and-homes with them, as well as Dukes and the like. I do not quite feel as sweet regarding a similar setup for Cuse or UConn, just cause.

Peace.

and yo, be straight up sad if ncaa don't clear orlando. not everyone can take the standard path. hate to see a young man punished for supporting his family on the level he probably has.

Cincy bears no fruit by keeping them on the schedule. Syracuse and UConn certainly do. Cincy offers little in terms of recruiting, market, nothing. They have offered us wins though, but we won't need a Cincy matchup in any way. I'd prefer bigger-name OOC opponents. I'd love Texas because lately we are recruiting heavily there. UCLA, Duke,Notre Dame, Syracuse, Uconn and Pitt all have lots of local interest for both us and them. We will have to be selective as we won't play all of them, but remember that we hold a lot of cards now that none of them will be in our league and automatically a fixture in NYC. Our prospects are quite good as far as OOC scheduling goes.

 

[Class of 72]

"And hopefully in no way, shape, matter, or form does SJU ever schedule Uconn and Cincy. Let them become wastelands."

I know there is much debate on this board about whether to schedule Big East traitors. For the record, neither UConn or Cincy left yet, even if both desire to do so. But beyond that, I'd like to keep Cincy around on the schedule. For starters, we seem to get quality wins when they appear on the calendar! Secondly, just as a fan of basketball, love how tight their games always are, even if somewhat ugly in the process. They have an under-appreciated basketball history. And they are seemingly always in the running for similar recruits as us. I just think it would be cool schedule some home-and-homes with them, as well as Dukes and the like. I do not quite feel as sweet regarding a similar setup for Cuse or UConn, just cause.

Peace.

and yo, be straight up sad if ncaa don't clear orlando. not everyone can take the standard path. hate to see a young man punished for supporting his family on the level he probably has.

Cincy bears no fruit by keeping them on the schedule. Syracuse and UConn certainly do. Cincy offers little in terms of recruiting, market, nothing. They have offered us wins though, but we won't need a Cincy matchup in any way. I'd prefer bigger-name OOC opponents. I'd love Texas because lately we are recruiting heavily there. UCLA, Duke,Notre Dame, Syracuse, Uconn and Pitt all have lots of local interest for both us and them. We will have to be selective as we won't play all of them, but remember that we hold a lot of cards now that none of them will be in our league and automatically a fixture in NYC. Our prospects are quite good as far as OOC scheduling goes.

I would love to have the toughest OOC schedule in college basketball with the chance to beat the best. Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan would sell out the Garden. Play Iona at CA and that would sell out IMO.

 

[tom in salem]

Providence board reporting

Take it for what it's worth but hearing that the announcement will be tomorrow, Dayton, Xavier, Butler, Saint Louis, and Creighton, all sports, huge Fox contract with every single men's basketball game televised in 80 million homes.

 

[FriarJ]

Hi all, an insider on the PC board who usually would never post info unless he knows it's good is saying that you can expect an announcement as soon as tomorrow that the league will be a 12 team league right from the get-go. Dayton, Butler, Xavier, Saint Louis, and Creighton. Apparently the 1st 3 have been a go since before the C7 announced the split.

Also the FOX news is real and if they put it together then EVERY conference BB game will be broadcast to 80 million current subscribers. FOX knows the composition of the league so there is no longer any reason to keep it quiet.

He couched it with "this what I am hearing" but as I said his info is usually good. If not tomorrow then soon, but it will be these schools.

Exciting times.

 

[FriarJ]

TIS beat me too it

 

[LINY89]

Very happy news overall if true. Love Butler and Xavier, scared that Creighton, STL, and Dayton will water us down. How will Creighton fare after losing their All-Amerian stud McDermott? Can they really compete with the big boys? Dayton was a good A-10 team and have always been solid, but can they really continue that at the next level? Same goes for STL...Butler and Xavier are homeruns, but I hope the other 3 schools don't end up being major strikeouts.

 

[Moose]

Very happy news overall if true. Love Butler and Xavier, scared that Creighton, STL, and Dayton will water us down. How will Creighton fare after losing their All-Amerian stud McDermott? Can they really compete with the big boys? Dayton was a good A-10 team and have always been solid, but can they really continue that at the next level? Same goes for STL...Butler and Xavier are homeruns, but I hope the other 3 schools don't end up being major strikeouts.

Conference can't bat 1000%. Every conference needs bottom feeders.

 

[LINY89]

Very happy news overall if true. Love Butler and Xavier, scared that Creighton, STL, and Dayton will water us down. How will Creighton fare after losing their All-Amerian stud McDermott? Can they really compete with the big boys? Dayton was a good A-10 team and have always been solid, but can they really continue that at the next level? Same goes for STL...Butler and Xavier are homeruns, but I hope the other 3 schools don't end up being major strikeouts.

Conference can't bat 1000%. Every conference needs bottom feeders.

That is true. However, there is no guarantee Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and yes SJ too won't still be bottom feeders in this new league. If trends continue then there's a real possibility that we have 7 low level teams if no one steps up to the plate.

 

[Moose]

Very happy news overall if true. Love Butler and Xavier, scared that Creighton, STL, and Dayton will water us down. How will Creighton fare after losing their All-Amerian stud McDermott? Can they really compete with the big boys? Dayton was a good A-10 team and have always been solid, but can they really continue that at the next level? Same goes for STL...Butler and Xavier are homeruns, but I hope the other 3 schools don't end up being major strikeouts.

Conference can't bat 1000%. Every conference needs bottom feeders.

That is true. However, there is no guarantee Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and yes SJ too won't still be bottom feeders in this new league. If trends continue then there's a real possibility that we have 7 low level teams if no one steps up to the plate.

You are correct. Just saying you can't go 10 for 10 or 12 for 12. There will be question marks. Teams will rise for few years and trail off. Nature of the beast.

 

[Valgoth]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co.../20130109/catholic-7-tv/index.html?mobile=no#

says meeting today in NYC and VCU being considered for a slot

 

[tom in salem]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130109/catholic-7-tv/index.html?mobile=no#

says meeting today in NYC and VCU being considered for a slot

Yesterday's PC poster has a good inside source.

 

[L J S A]

Something to consider: A 12-team league makes it easier for Gonzaga to join, because they'll only have to visit the East Coast three times a year. The Midwest is still a hike, though.

 

[Mean Gene]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130109/catholic-7-tv/index.html?mobile=no#

says meeting today in NYC and VCU being considered for a slot

If VCU joins also that would be 13 teams. Who would be the 14th team or would they knock a Creighton or a Dayton out? As I posted before they should take Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis, Dayton, VCU and George Mason. That Northern Virginia area with VCU and George Mason is a bigger market than Omaha and would bring more viewers and therefore more money in a TV contract. The league shouldtake them all and go with 14. It's about markets and potential viewers.

 

[austour]

Something to consider: A 12-team league makes it easier for Gonzaga to join, because they'll only have to visit the East Coast three times a year. The Midwest is still a hike, though.

True and it can be done in two trips. Just play any two of the East Coast teams on a Saturday/Monday rotation and not go back in between games. SImilar patterns could be developed for the mid west games. Pac 12 does this all year for most of their road trips with a Thursday/Saturday schedule.

 

[LINY89]

Something to consider: A 12-team league makes it easier for Gonzaga to join, because they'll only have to visit the East Coast three times a year. The Midwest is still a hike, though.

VCU, Gonzaga (already begging to join), Butler, Xavier, Creighton. That makes it a fantastic 12 team league and there truly are no weak links. Only improvements. IMO adding Dayton and St. Louis could end up biting us in the end.

Edit: Why are some people so high on George Mason? You can't possibly still be living off their Final Four miracle almost 10 years ago...what have they really done since to warrant a spot in a top conference?