All Realignment Talk Here

[mjmaherjr]

I think the new potential Uconn conference would implode anyway and Uconn would be the first one to bolt if given the chance.

If Uconn apologized to the Holy 7 and dropped football and provided free rooms and transportation to foxwoods and mohegan for all Holy 7 alum's for life then I'd be cool with letting them in.

I still think they get picked up by someone. Hopefully the American East

I think both Uconn and Cincy will complete the ACC realignment. You can bet the presidents of both schools had two cell phones in their ears....one with the Big East and the other with the ACC. The ACC officially becoming the old Big East would be complete. After that happens, I look for Florida State to bolt and for the ACC decline to begin. Karma baby ..... Karma!

Yeah I think the ACC is going to lose more teams so it seems to me 2 of the logical candidates to replace would be Uconn and Cincy.

I'm hoping for a mass cuban style overpacked boat to America type defection though and leave the ACC in a complete burning wreck.

That's my christmas wish

 

[redken]

There was a news report yesterday that quoted an unnamed source that said that after the upcoming Bowls that Boston College, Florida State and Georgia Tech would bolt the ACC for the riches of the Big Ten.

I have 2 hopes: first is that the "basketball onlys" prosper; second is for the ACC to flounder.

Let me add another hope: that UConn basketball has seen its best days, and that the post-Calhoun years are equal to the program's pre-Calhoun years.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Thursday is going to be too late

Creighton, Gonzaga, St Mary's, Xavier and either St Louis or Dayton will round out a 5 team addition to the new league
in my opinon

I would like to see Xavier, Dayton and St. Louis and call it a day with 10 teams.

I think we have already reached out to Gonzaga, Butler and possibly Creighton. I would not be shocked with a 12 team super basketball conference.

At this point nothing would shock me but I very much like the direction we are headed.

 

[LINY89]

I'm really thankful for all of this. If you could have told us months ago that we would be loyal with our old big east buddies to form a basketball only league also bringing in Xavier, Butler, and maybe even Gonzaga, we would have taken it asap. I really love how this turned out! At some point within the next 5 years I think Nova, Marquette, G'Town, Xavier, Gonzaga, and SJ will be ranked. 6 teams ranked in a basketball only conference is fantastic. The drop off from the big east we used to know won't be nearly as bad as we firs thought. I think we envisioned ourselves as being the UConn in this situation, but funny how the basketball schools are now telling the football schools to go kick rocks. About damn time. It's like a bully constantly flicking your ear during class sitting behind you and you try to ignore it but eventually you turn around and punch him in the face. I love it.

 

[88grad]

There was a news report yesterday that quoted an unnamed source that said that after the upcoming Bowls that Boston College, Florida State and Georgia Tech would bolt the ACC for the riches of the Big Ten.

I have 2 hopes: first is that the "basketball onlys" prosper; second is for the ACC to flounder.

I definitely think the ACC is going to implode.....they are a mediocre (at best) football conference and the money to be made it the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC will be too much to pass up for the better football schools....

I would be surprised if BC and FSU are invited to the Big 10.....the Big 10 requires that members belong to the American Association of Universities (AAU).....BC and FSU do not....Georgia Tech, UVA, UNC and Duke are members.....interestingly, Nebraska was a member when they were invited to join the Big 10 but have since been kicked out.....

=5476

 

[mjmaherjr]

I'm really thankful for all of this. If you could have told us months ago that we would be loyal with our old big east buddies to form a basketball only league also bringing in Xavier, Butler, and maybe even Gonzaga, we would have taken it asap. I really love how this turned out! At some point within the next 5 years I think Nova, Marquette, G'Town, Xavier, Gonzaga, and SJ will be ranked. 6 teams ranked in a basketball only conference is fantastic. The drop off from the big east we used to know won't be nearly as bad as we firs thought. I think we envisioned ourselves as being the UConn in this situation, but funny how the basketball schools are now telling the football schools to go kick rocks. About damn time. It's like a bully constantly flicking your ear during class sitting behind you and you try to ignore it but eventually you turn around and punch him in the face. I love it.

A few months ago heck maybe even a few weeks ago I really wanted to hope the Big East to stay together ( if for nothing else some real good road trips ) but now that all this is happening I pretty much agree with everything you just said

 

[dee]

Thursday is going to be too late

Creighton, Gonzaga, St Mary's, Xavier and either St Louis or Dayton will round out a 5 team addition to the new league
in my opinon

No on St. Mary's. And probably a no on Creighton too.

Xavier and Butler.
Anyone else is gravy.

I'm starting to think it'll be Xavier, Butler, St. Louis, and Dayton . . . and Gonzaga will be the ace in the hole.

If they let Gonzaga in, they need to add St Mary's if only for travel purposes. It also gives an added West
coast presence for tv

 

[fan since 65]

Since I'm a pessimist, my concern is that the football schools get so strong that they can break away from the NCAA and have their own national championships leaving the non-footballers in the dust. But for now, although Yukon/UCon will probably end up somewhere, it's nice to see them SOL for now.

 

[dee]

There was a news report yesterday that quoted an unnamed source that said that after the upcoming Bowls that Boston College, Florida State and Georgia Tech would bolt the ACC for the riches of the Big Ten.

I have 2 hopes: first is that the "basketball onlys" prosper; second is for the ACC to flounder.

Let me add another hope: that UConn basketball has seen its best days, and that the post-Calhoun years are equal to the program's pre-Calhoun years.

I say we add Duke and UNC to the new basketball BE conference. Those schools have always been terrible in football and are basketball oriented in any event. Then UCONN and Cincy can join the ACC and play Wake Forest LOL

 

[pdcjay]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

 

[LINY89]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Also consider that this conference is better suited for us. There is no Cuse, L'Ville, or Pitt to make it impossible to win the Big East tourney. Against the new conference we actually have a chance. It's great to play amongst the top competition, but when you have a lot of dominant powerhouses in front of you each year, it makes it very hard to make any noise. We can beat a Butler/SH/Prov/G'Town/Nova/Xavier/DePaul/etc. If there's any time to get our program going again, it's now. Instead of being insanely top heavy with 4 or 5 schools no one else beneath them can ever be better than, (ACC) we actually can be a top 3 team in this conference if we keep recruiting well and eventually make the puzzle fit. Having schools like Cuse in front of us always dominating everything is now over. It's similar to the Patriots moving out of the AFC, suddenly giving the Jets a shot at winning their division. Our hardest task is likely G'Town and while they are very good, they are nowhere near unbeatable like Cuse/L'Ville were.

 

[Section3]

Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference

posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.

Compete with the big boys????

you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.

I'm lost on what your talking about to be honest. Forget I even inquired.

Lavin is coach. Not Norm Roberts. If you think this is a return to the Norm years I don't know what to tell you.

Really confused.

nothing to be confused about...and i'm not referring to you re: roberts. i'm still in lavin's corner. if he can't win here...no one we'll ever hire can.

this isn't 1985 when the big east was pretty much espn's only game in town. today's competition is crazier. a downsized big east will tie lavin's hands. sure, he'll pick up a couple of top 100s every year. he'll never get top tens because they don't want to play in an inferior league. so it's back to finding "diamonds in the rough" and reading posts about "baby steps" we'll win our fair share of the conference and/or conference tournaments. when it comes to the dance, it'll be pretty much one or two and done...just like looie. i was hoping for better.

don't feel sorry for me. i root for the football and baseball giants...both champions today. the knicks are in the mix as are the nets. the rangers will be good if they ever suit up. college basketball??? syracuse will back up its right to call itself new york's team. it doesn't have to be that way.

It won't be an inferior league..How many leagues will be better...ACC Yes initially but only at the very top pf the league...top to bottom the BE will be deeper...what other leagues will stand above the BE?

 

[mjmaherjr]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Also consider that this conference is better suited for us. There is no Cuse, L'Ville, or Pitt to make it impossible to win the Big East tourney. Against the new conference we actually have a chance.

Ahh see this is where I disagree. If you want to be the best you should want to beat the best. Makes it that much sweeter when you finally do

 

[redken]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Love it that on the UConn Rivals site, fans are portraying themselves as victims of the Catholic schools. Laughable that Susan Herbst is calling for commitment to BE from football schools.

 

[LINY89]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Also consider that this conference is better suited for us. There is no Cuse, L'Ville, or Pitt to make it impossible to win the Big East tourney. Against the new conference we actually have a chance.

Ahh see this is where I disagree. If you want to be the best you should want to beat the best. Makes it that much sweeter when you finally do

We can still schedule OOC games vs. those guys, but my point is we really can win our conference now. It isn't nearly as improbable as beating out teams like L'Ville, Cuse, Pitt, etc. The ACC has Duke, UNC, Cuse, L'Ville, Pitt, and then a tremendous dropoff. Do you have any idea how banged up teams like FSU, GT, VT, BC, etc. will get from the 5 headed monster every year? Our conference will still be among the top...who cares if it's #1...I'll take #3 or 4 anyday given how desperate our circumstances are. It's a moot point anyway, because in the near future Duke will realize it just can't play football, as will Cuse and UNC and we will see them leave most likely. The ACC is the result of ignoring history. The ACC now IS exactly what the Big East was just years ago and it will be raided shortly. Thankfully, this time we will be sitting back laughing instead of praying we don't become a mid major.

 

[pdcjay]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Love it that on the UConn Rivals site, fans are portraying themselves as victims of the Catholic schools. Laughable that Susan Herbst is calling for commitment to BE from football schools.

The only school I shed no year whatsoever over is UConn. They're dead on the water no matter what happens IMO. Program will turn back into the pre Calgoon years (yessss).

 

[LINY89]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Love it that on the UConn Rivals site, fans are portraying themselves as victims of the Catholic schools. Laughable that Susan Herbst is calling for commitment to BE from football schools.

I have been perusing a number of UConn, Cincy, etc. forums and it really is hysterical. They think the little basketball schools ruined everything. Do they realize we are likely leaving more money on the table to stay loyal and true to what we really are? College sports are meaningless IMO when all they become is a bottom line in terms of $$$, so excuse us for being responsible and taking us out of the path of football bullies. This is football's fault for choosing greed over geographical logic, rivalries, and tradition. I don't even understand why schools like Temple, Memphis, Cuse, and UConn have football teams. They have not been successful meaning they are losing money (especially Memphis and Temple), so why not just admit they are basketball schools? Just because you want to be good at a certain sport does not mean it will materialize. Schools like UConn and Memphis need to realize who they are and what their real product is. Because it's not football.

 

[salty dog]

There was a news report yesterday that quoted an unnamed source that said that after the upcoming Bowls that Boston College, Florida State and Georgia Tech would bolt the ACC for the riches of the Big Ten.

I have 2 hopes: first is that the "basketball onlys" prosper; second is for the ACC to flounder.

Let me add another hope: that UConn basketball has seen its best days, and that the post-Calhoun years are equal to the program's pre-Calhoun years.

My wish is the same wish although the team is different. Syracuse is the one I want to go down. Nancy Cantor is worse than Susan Herbst. Gladly they already took it on the chin, with Rutgers sitting back and then going to the better prize the Big 10. As Jackie Gleason used to say "how sweet it is"

 

[salty dog]

Screw UConn. I'd take temple since they play football in the MAC now anyway. What would be so different from what they have in the A10? One of my biggest concerns for all this is all of our other sports. Some of these lesser programs may not be able to offer much. Creighton has a fantastic men's soccer program (would go great with SJU and Georgetown's programs) and historically so does St Louis but I'm not sure about the rest of the potentials. I think the safe bet for the other 3 invites would be Creighton, St Louis/Butler and Xavier. I don't think Butler's overall athletics profile is good enough IMO but St Louis is less than inspiring in basketball yet have potential. This whole being the aggressor thing is kind of fun

Also consider that this conference is better suited for us. There is no Cuse, L'Ville, or Pitt to make it impossible to win the Big East tourney. Against the new conference we actually have a chance. It's great to play amongst the top competition, but when you have a lot of dominant powerhouses in front of you each year, it makes it very hard to make any noise. We can beat a Butler/SH/Prov/G'Town/Nova/Xavier/DePaul/etc. If there's any time to get our program going again, it's now. Instead of being insanely top heavy with 4 or 5 schools no one else beneath them can ever be better than, (ACC) we actually can be a top 3 team in this conference if we keep recruiting well and eventually make the puzzle fit. Having schools like Cuse in front of us always dominating everything is now over. It's similar to the Patriots moving out of the AFC, suddenly giving the Jets a shot at winning their division. Our hardest task is likely G'Town and while they are very good, they are nowhere near unbeatable like Cuse/L'Ville were.

Joe, you are too young to remember but SJU used to be on equal footing with Syracuse. they led them nearly forever in all time wins. It is only since Looie retired that 'Cuse hit their stride and passed SJU and GTown. Both because of poor replacement coaches. St. John's made terrible hires and has paid a very dear price being a has been in the league. Prior to the Big East's formation Looie was totally against it and had to be convinced by Jack Kaiser.to embrace and join the league. Looie felt St. John's was on top in the east and did not need a league to support it. However the early success of the league changed his mind and he admitted that the Big East Conference was good for St. John's.

 

[LINY89]

So I hear...I just can't think of us in those terms. When all you have seen is failure minus 2011, it's like saying "Back in my day Kia's were regarded as better than Ferrari's!". I wish I could have been around back then because no team I have embraced has ever truly made me proud. The Jets, Mets, and Knicks have come close 1 or 2 years in my lifetime but always failed in the end. After so many down years for SJ, NYK, NYM, NYJ, Isles, etc. you would think one of them is well overdue to go on a huge run. Just to see the word and number "#25 St. John's" on the ESPN/AP Poll would warm my heart. I don't ask for much from this program...I really hope I'm not disappointed after going all in with them in recent years. You guys got to see us make Final Fours and be regarded as the best in the country. I have seen us as low as #18 and that made me pumped like you wouldn't believe. I can only imagine if we do something special like become a top 10 team, make an Elite 8 run, etc.