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Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference
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posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.
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Compete with the big boys????
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you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.
 
Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference
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posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.
Click to expand...

Compete with the big boys????
Click to expand...

you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.
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I'm lost on what your talking about to be honest. Forget I even inquired.

Lavin is coach. Not Norm Roberts. If you think this is a return to the Norm years I don't know what to tell you.

Really confused.
 
Keep the Big East name, negotiate distributing the exit fees from all schools that have already left, let them take a bit of a bigger portion if that makes them happier.

Keeping the Big East brand as a basketball power house is their selling point, when you pitch this to media outlets you want as little confusion to the general public of who is part of what, and what conference is good at what, the SEC has a history of football powerhouse, the Big East has a history of basketball power house lets keep it that way, and that will keep the audience there which is how the media will make their money of the millions they are investing in this conferene.

My perfect new Big East league would be the below:

1. St. John's
2. Georgetown
3. Villanova
4. Seton Hall
5. Marquette
6. Depaul
7. Providence
8. Xavier
9. Butler
10. Creighton
11. Dayton
12. Gonzaga

With a 12 team conference if they are able to negociate $25 Million a year thats $2 Million to every member (we get $1.4 +/- right now)
 
I like your list, except that I can't see Gonzaga working out due to the travel difficulties. I would prefer St. Louis or VCU. SLU has a great tv market and VCU has one of the best coaches in the game.
 
Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference
Click to expand...

posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.
Click to expand...

Compete with the big boys????
Click to expand...

you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.
Click to expand...

I'm lost on what your talking about to be honest. Forget I even inquired.

Lavin is coach. Not Norm Roberts. If you think this is a return to the Norm years I don't know what to tell you.

Really confused.
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nothing to be confused about...and i'm not referring to you re: roberts. i'm still in lavin's corner. if he can't win here...no one we'll ever hire can.

this isn't 1985 when the big east was pretty much espn's only game in town. today's competition is crazier. a downsized big east will tie lavin's hands. sure, he'll pick up a couple of top 100s every year. he'll never get top tens because they don't want to play in an inferior league. so it's back to finding "diamonds in the rough" and reading posts about "baby steps" we'll win our fair share of the conference and/or conference tournaments. when it comes to the dance, it'll be pretty much one or two and done...just like looie. i was hoping for better.

don't feel sorry for me. i root for the football and baseball giants...both champions today. the knicks are in the mix as are the nets. the rangers will be good if they ever suit up. college basketball??? syracuse will back up its right to call itself new york's team. it doesn't have to be that way.
 
Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference
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posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.
Click to expand...

Compete with the big boys????
Click to expand...

you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.
Click to expand...

I'm lost on what your talking about to be honest. Forget I even inquired.

Lavin is coach. Not Norm Roberts. If you think this is a return to the Norm years I don't know what to tell you.

Really confused.
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nothing to be confused about...and i'm not referring to you re: roberts. i'm still in lavin's corner. if he can't win here...no one we'll ever hire can.

this isn't 1985 when the big east was pretty much espn's only game in town. today's competition is crazier. a downsized big east will tie lavin's hands. sure, he'll pick up a couple of top 100s every year. he'll never get top tens because they don't want to play in an inferior league. so it's back to finding "diamonds in the rough" and reading posts about "baby steps" we'll win our fair share of the conference and/or conference tournaments. when it comes to the dance, it'll be pretty much one or two and done...just like looie. i was hoping for better.

don't feel sorry for me. i root for the football and baseball giants...both champions today. the knicks are in the mix as are the nets. the rangers will be good if they ever suit up. college basketball??? syracuse will back up its right to call itself new york's team. it doesn't have to be that way.
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If it doesnt have to be that way, what do you suggest?
 
Uconn and cincy reportedly in talks to start new conference


http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...-cincinnati-uconn-transcontinental-conference
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posturing at this point.

still...combine this with the "new" big east and you have a conference that can compete with the big boys...as opposed to merely a glorified mid major.
Click to expand...

Compete with the big boys????
Click to expand...

you can't possibly believe seven lower tier big east basketball schools aligned with a few atlantic 10 schools are on the same level as the acc/big ten/sec/big 12. follow the recruits. a big number of mcdonald aa's aren't going to buy it.

the same people who spent years selling norm roberts are back...selling this weak concoction. come on boys and girls...size really does matter.
Click to expand...

I'm lost on what your talking about to be honest. Forget I even inquired.

Lavin is coach. Not Norm Roberts. If you think this is a return to the Norm years I don't know what to tell you.

Really confused.
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nothing to be confused about...and i'm not referring to you re: roberts. i'm still in lavin's corner. if he can't win here...no one we'll ever hire can.

this isn't 1985 when the big east was pretty much espn's only game in town. today's competition is crazier. a downsized big east will tie lavin's hands. sure, he'll pick up a couple of top 100s every year. he'll never get top tens because they don't want to play in an inferior league. so it's back to finding "diamonds in the rough" and reading posts about "baby steps" we'll win our fair share of the conference and/or conference tournaments. when it comes to the dance, it'll be pretty much one or two and done...just like looie. i was hoping for better.

don't feel sorry for me. i root for the football and baseball giants...both champions today. the knicks are in the mix as are the nets. the rangers will be good if they ever suit up. college basketball??? syracuse will back up its right to call itself new york's team. it doesn't have to be that way.
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I point to Gonzaga. They play in a weak conference and still get Top 100 kids because they built a niche. This is all new so one way or the other neither of us can say for certain Top 100 kids will keep flocking to basketball traditions like us Gtown Nova Marquette, Xavier.

Last years Top 10 in Rivals some names are just new names that happen to be winning.

UCLA
Kentucky
UCLA
Baylor
Pitt
Providence
UNLV
Kentucky
Arizona
Oklahoma State

That has 2 non Power 4 teams in there plus teams like Pitt, Baylor and OK State aren't exactly the top echelon of traditional college hoops.
 
I'd love to know who voted for Houston and SMU to be invited to the Big East when they aren't even welcome in UConn/Cincy's new desperation conference.
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Desperation conference? I despise UCONN as much as anyone on this board but … Eight of the teams mentioned in their proposed new conference went to the NCAA bb tournament last year. FB would be decent.

From AOL Sporting News--
Sources close to the discussions told Sporting News on Friday that one possibility to give the Bearcats and Huskies a home, which is at the early stages of discussion, would be a cross-continent all-sports league involving disenfranchised members of the Big East as well as the most prominent members of the Mountain West.

The proposed entrants would be UConn, Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, Temple, Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico and possibly BYU or Central Florida. Such a league would include football programs that are comparable and competitive, as well as extraordinary basketball featuring eight teams that reached the NCAA Tournament last season. NBC Sports Network is likely to be approached to gauge its interest in such a property.

In order to form such a league, however, UConn and Cincinnati would have to make some sort of profound commitment -- perhaps even a “grant of rights” similar to the Big 12’s, meaning they’d lose their media revenue for the length of time if they leave -- to convince the Western schools involved that they would not exit immediately if invited to join the ACC.
That could become leverage to convince current members of the ACC -- especially some of its more vulnerable longtime schools, such as Duke and Wake Forest, to invite Cincinnati and UConn now and bring the current conference membership to 16.
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Based on the current composite ranking of all Division I basketball schools if the schools being talked about as additions to the "new" BE actually get added the lowest ranked schools in the conference would be Seton Hall (ranked #85), St John's (#86), Villanova (#96), Providence (#99) and DePaul (#100). Recognize any of them? The A-10 schools, Butler, Creighton and Gonzaga, St Mary's are all ranked ahead of five of the seven Catholic schools, our Johnnie's included and Creighton, Gonzaga and VCU are ranked ahead of the other two schools (Marquette and Georgetown). The "new" BE will have eight teams that made the NCAA tourney last year, same as UCONN's proposed "desperation" conference.

Bad news from another source – this one saying the breakup wouldn’t happen until Fall of 2014 or Fall of 2015. Let’s hope that one is wrong.
 
Looking at last year and success is short sighted.

You need to look over a bigger period of time. Yes STJ and Nova have struggled of late but take them over most of those others in terms of bball success. Everyone goes thru cycles.
 
I like your list, except that I can't see Gonzaga working out due to the travel difficulties. I would prefer St. Louis or VCU. SLU has a great tv market and VCU has one of the best coaches in the game.
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There would be 6-7 conference away games a year for them. The league could easily schedule two road trips a season where they play two teams a trip...say STJ/SH, Nova/Gtown, Dayton/Xavier and Marquette/Depaul.

Gonzaga has to get a plane for nearly every away game as it is. This could actually save them a trip or two a year.
 
I like your list, except that I can't see Gonzaga working out due to the travel difficulties. I would prefer St. Louis or VCU. SLU has a great tv market and VCU has one of the best coaches in the game.
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There would be 6-7 conference away games a year for them. The league could easily schedule two road trips a season where they play two teams a trip...say STJ/SH, Nova/Gtown, Dayton/Xavier and Marquette/Depaul.

Gonzaga has to get a plane for nearly every away game as it is. This could actually save them a trip or two a year.
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They would probably try to do Wednesday or Thursday game, Sat/Sun game, and then a Mon game. Don't know if NCAA rules prohibit certain games in a time frame but they could end up playing maybe Thurs, Sat, Mon.
 
Looking at last year and success is short sighted.

You need to look over a bigger period of time. Yes STJ and Nova have struggled of late but take them over most of those others in terms of bball success. Everyone goes thru cycles.
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The point being made is that if all the teams mentioned to join the "new" BE were to actually join the league would have eight teams that made the NCAA bb tourney last year.

If all the teams mentioned to join the proposed conference UCONN is looking at then it will also have eight teams that made the NCAA tourney last here.

No matter how much UCONN is (deservingly) looked down on it's more than a stretch to say the conference they've proposed is "desperate". Not to mention it might even be a way of getting UCONN into the ACC.
 
I like your list, except that I can't see Gonzaga working out due to the travel difficulties. I would prefer St. Louis or VCU. SLU has a great tv market and VCU has one of the best coaches in the game.
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Simplyred

thank you - yes in re VCU - however the coach can and likely will leave some day - we'll be left with the okay program not the sterling coach.

all the best
 
I'd love to know who voted for Houston and SMU to be invited to the Big East when they aren't even welcome in UConn/Cincy's new desperation conference.
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Desperation conference? I despise UCONN as much as anyone on this board but … Eight of the teams mentioned in their proposed new conference went to the NCAA bb tournament last year. FB would be decent.

From AOL Sporting News--
Sources close to the discussions told Sporting News on Friday that one possibility to give the Bearcats and Huskies a home, which is at the early stages of discussion, would be a cross-continent all-sports league involving disenfranchised members of the Big East as well as the most prominent members of the Mountain West.

The proposed entrants would be UConn, Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, Temple, Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico and possibly BYU or Central Florida. Such a league would include football programs that are comparable and competitive, as well as extraordinary basketball featuring eight teams that reached the NCAA Tournament last season. NBC Sports Network is likely to be approached to gauge its interest in such a property.

In order to form such a league, however, UConn and Cincinnati would have to make some sort of profound commitment -- perhaps even a “grant of rights” similar to the Big 12’s, meaning they’d lose their media revenue for the length of time if they leave -- to convince the Western schools involved that they would not exit immediately if invited to join the ACC.
That could become leverage to convince current members of the ACC -- especially some of its more vulnerable longtime schools, such as Duke and Wake Forest, to invite Cincinnati and UConn now and bring the current conference membership to 16.
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Based on the current composite ranking of all Division I basketball schools if the schools being talked about as additions to the "new" BE actually get added the lowest ranked schools in the conference would be Seton Hall (ranked #85), St John's (#86), Villanova (#96), Providence (#99) and DePaul (#100). Recognize any of them? The A-10 schools, Butler, Creighton and Gonzaga, St Mary's are all ranked ahead of five of the seven Catholic schools, our Johnnie's included and Creighton, Gonzaga and VCU are ranked ahead of the other two schools (Marquette and Georgetown). The "new" BE will have eight teams that made the NCAA tourney last year, same as UCONN's proposed "desperation" conference.

Bad news from another source – this one saying the breakup wouldn’t happen until Fall of 2014 or Fall of 2015. Let’s hope that one is wrong.
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The origin of that conference is one of . . . wait for it . . . desperation.
 
It's a desperate conference because nobody is interested in those schools. Nobody was interested in Big East football before. People are going to be interested in Uconn vs SDSU? Flying back and forth to the west coast every other week is going to cost a fortune for a league that doesn't have much interest.

I think SJU and the other bball schools made the right choice to focus on our sport and forming a league centered around bball.
 
Looking at last year and success is short sighted.

You need to look over a bigger period of time. Yes STJ and Nova have struggled of late but take them over most of those others in terms of bball success. Everyone goes thru cycles.
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The point being made is that if all the teams mentioned to join the "new" BE were to actually join the league would have eight teams that made the NCAA bb tourney last year.

If all the teams mentioned to join the proposed conference UCONN is looking at then it will also have eight teams that made the NCAA tourney last here.

No matter how much UCONN is (deservingly) looked down on it's more than a stretch to say the conference they've proposed is "desperate". Not to mention it might even be a way of getting UCONN into the ACC.
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I don't think it is a stretch to say that proposed UCONN conference is in desperation mode. Most conferences are trying to cobble alliances for rivalries with other schools that are local or historical opponents or are in great TV markets. The Catholic 7 were/are desperate - that's why we are considering adding Gonzaga which is all the way across the country. With regard to the UCONN conference, while many of the schools are individually pretty good pieces, virtually all the other teams they are trying to cobble together are neither local nor historical rivals. That's a far cry from what the Catholic 7 are. The UCONN conference would be cobbled together with a bunch of teams that would go somewhere else if they had a better option. They are, possibly hopelessly, trying to keep their football programs relevant. That sounds pretty desperate to me to get in bed with that kind of group. The Catholic 7 were also desperate, but we seem to have made lemonade out of a situation filled with a bunch of lemons. The 7 didn't really have any other option than to go with what we are doing. Our fates are sealed, so it seems less desperate, but also much more stable. With regard to basketball only, I'd rather be in Gtown, St. John's or Villanova's shoes than UCONN's. UCONN has truly got their comeuppance, they thought they were in the driver's seat into the ACC, but the proof in in the putting that they are not. They still might sneak in the ACC somehow through some maneuverings, but they, and their proposed conference are clearly in desperation mode.
 
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