I really hope these rumors mean we are in the driver's seat and we form our own conference, get to keep our name, and cherry pick who WE want to come i.e. Xavier, Butler, etc. If that's the case, what a relief it would be. We would be secure for the first time in what 2 years?
All Realignment Talk Here
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I think what will be looked at when adding schools and moving forward is really operating budget for the sports programs. For our league to succeed, we need schools that can afford to spend on their basketball programs. Look at a school like Butler who has a tiny enrollment. Yes, they had been good for a few years, but are they sustainable after Brad Stevens?
Then you compare a school like VCU who has over 30k students enrolled and has already shown some bball prowess. A school like VCU has a much better chance at becoming a real player in the long run because of size and operating budget. Other schools with big fan bases like Dayton and Xavier are no brainers as well because they sell tickets and can afford to invest in their respective programs. We will need to be careful moving forward and adding teams that fit the picture of future success.
Then you compare a school like VCU who has over 30k students enrolled and has already shown some bball prowess. A school like VCU has a much better chance at becoming a real player in the long run because of size and operating budget. Other schools with big fan bases like Dayton and Xavier are no brainers as well because they sell tickets and can afford to invest in their respective programs. We will need to be careful moving forward and adding teams that fit the picture of future success.
I don't know if anyone read my posts from the past 30 hours but I predicted we'd dissolve the conference. I predicted the A10 isn't the answer. And lastly I predicted we'd go after Duke(and have a legitimate shot at them). The ACC will be the next conference to be derailed.
How hysterical will it be if we break off, keep the old friends of the original Big East together, then watch the ACC get raided? If it were a movie, I'd love to crack open an ice cold Corona, watch, and enjoy every second. I will be absolutely thrilled if we break off, keep the name, keep MSG, and add Xavier, Butler, etc.
Lots of people thought I was crazy when suggesting the old buddies would stick together, but that's what it looks like is happening. It's nice to see some solidarity for once especially from such great schools as Nova and Georgetown. Maybe for once money is not the end all be all, because we surely won't get close to the same deal we had as basketball only.
Lots of people thought I was crazy when suggesting the old buddies would stick together, but that's what it looks like is happening. It's nice to see some solidarity for once especially from such great schools as Nova and Georgetown. Maybe for once money is not the end all be all, because we surely won't get close to the same deal we had as basketball only.
I'd expect the latter. I know this wouldn't work, but I'd love to get Gonzaga, BYU, and St. Mary's with Xavier, Butler, etc. Just a pipe dream. Do you think UConn says screw football and tries to join with us as a basketball only? If so this conference will be completely healthy.
L J S A
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My favorite:
"With absolutely everything we've had going for us, to be in this position is shocking.
Very soon we'll be an all sports conference of:
UConn, Cincinnati, South Florida, Temple, Central Florida, Memphis, East Carolina, Tulane, Houston and SMU.
Where did it all go wrong? What could've been done differently? I just don't even know."
It's hysterical it really is. UConn is like that girl who left you because she thought she could do better, then she realizes you were the best she could get and begs you to take her back. Priceless quotes from UConn after trying their hardest to stab us in the back. Would still love to have them for basketball though.
L J S A
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I thought Gonzaga coming was crazy yesterday, but there was the blurb that they would consider it. And I think they do it if you make sure they aren't really lonely way out there -- I'd invite BYU definitely (they also have good women's sports), maybe St. Mary's.
Between the Gonzaga blurb and the Della cryptic message, it seems apparent to me that some high-level feelers have been sent out this week.
I think the Catholics do want Temple, Memphis, Cincy, and UConn in the fold. They just got tired of being sodomized and finally made a power play. They can tell those four that they will invite entire Mountain West or MAC football to play under the Big East name (with the BCS bid as a bargaining chip.) At least that is my dream.
Houston et al. do not belong anywhere near the Big East name.
Was just reading what Marquette said, and you have to admire them for having the balls to speak up and stop with the PC crap. Gonzaga actually said they would love to leave the WCC and join a national basketball conference to get them more exposure. Add to the mix Memphis and Temple on all of that already and ESPN is salivating.
George Mason very likely will be in the new league. They have an enrollment of almost 35,000 students. What does that mean? Big operating budget and solid basketball future. The new league likely will target VCU as well who also has a big enrollment, solid basketball as well as operating budget. These are some big schools with the potential to be a LOT better than they are now with better exposure, coaching, recruiting and a real conference affiliation.
I think we will see some teams added that many of us might not suspect. Mike I said, schools like Butler are good now because of Brad Stevens, but do they have the size and potential to pull their weight in the future? Moving forward we will have to identify possible basketball programs that could become perennial bball powers.
George Mason has over 30K enrollment, 10K seat arena and minutes from D.C. All a recipe for a good fit in the new league.
Looks like we will have a big change today. Like it!
“@McMurphyESPN: Big East hoops schools leaning toward leaving football schools sources tell @espnhttp://t.co/7edL0NXt”
“@KevinMcNamara33: Big East Catholics could announce split soonhttp://t.co/XQbRyKJY”
“@McMurphyESPN: Big East hoops schools leaning toward leaving football schools sources tell @espnhttp://t.co/7edL0NXt”
“@KevinMcNamara33: Big East Catholics could announce split soonhttp://t.co/XQbRyKJY”
A quote from Steve Lavin on Zagsblog:
St. John’s coach Steve Lavin said his school would move forward with or without the Big East.
“[Women's coach] Joe Tartamella and myself have had productive discussions with Father Harrington and Chris Monasch concerning the latest developments that have come to light with the BIG EAST Conference,” Lavin said in a statement. “We have shared our perspective with Fr. Harrington and Chris as St. John’s shapes its future basketball aspirations.
“St. John’s is uniquely positioned to be successful regardless of the conference realignment outcome. It is our belief that we have all the key ingredients to move forward as a basketball program.”
St. John’s coach Steve Lavin said his school would move forward with or without the Big East.
“[Women's coach] Joe Tartamella and myself have had productive discussions with Father Harrington and Chris Monasch concerning the latest developments that have come to light with the BIG EAST Conference,” Lavin said in a statement. “We have shared our perspective with Fr. Harrington and Chris as St. John’s shapes its future basketball aspirations.
“St. John’s is uniquely positioned to be successful regardless of the conference realignment outcome. It is our belief that we have all the key ingredients to move forward as a basketball program.”
Moose
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Some food for thought. Below are the Catholic 7 with their total enrollment. Next 3 are the slam dunk IMO. Then there is a pool of East of Mississippi option and finally west coast options in case Gonzaga might need a partner in crime. Again I think 12 is a good number to shoot at for a variety of reasons.
College Market Total
St. John's New York 21000
Gtown Washington DC 17000
Nova Philly 9000
Providence Providence 5000
Seton Hall New Jersey 9500
Marquette Milwaukee 11500
DePaul Chicago 25000
Xavier Cincy 7000
Butler Indianapolis 4500
St. Louis St. Louis 11000
BU Boston 29000
Dayton Columbus 10000
Richmond Richmond 4000
VCU Richmond 30500
George Mason VA 33500
Northeastern Boston 20500
Old Dominion Norfolk 24500
Cleveland St. Cleveland 17000
Gonzaga Seattle 8000
Loyola Mymt LA 9000
Pepperdine LA 7500
St. Mary's SF 4000
San Diego SD 8000
San Fran SF 10000
Santa Clara SF 8500
Denver Denver 11000
Seattle Seattle 7500
Also here are the top DMA's. Bolded are where we would probably have representation. The problem is a lot of the Western/Texas cities have schools with football schools. Would love to get into 1 or 2 more of the Top 10 cities for TV contract purposes.
1 New York 7,300,000
2 LA 5600000
3 Chicago 3500000
4 Philly 2900000
5 Dallas Ft Worth 2500000
6 San Fran-Oak-San Jose 2500000
7 Boston 2300000
8 DC 2300000
9 Atlanta 2300000
10 Houston 2200000
11 Detroit 1800000
12 Seattle-Tacoma 1800000
13 Phoenix 1800000
14 Tampa-St Pete 1800000
15 Minneapolis 1700000
16 Miami 1600000
17 Denver 1500000
18 Cleveland-Akron 1500000
19 Orlando-Daytona 1400000
20 Sacramento-Stockton 1400000
21 St. Louis 1200000
22 Portland 1100000
23 Pittsburgh 1100000
24 Raleigh-Durham 1100000
25 Charlotte 1100000
26 Indy 1100000
27 Baltimore 1100000
28 San Diego 1000000
29 Nashville 1000000
30 Hartford 100000
31 Kansas City 900000
32 Columbus 900000
33 Salt Lake City 900000
34 Milwaukee 900000
College Market Total
St. John's New York 21000
Gtown Washington DC 17000
Nova Philly 9000
Providence Providence 5000
Seton Hall New Jersey 9500
Marquette Milwaukee 11500
DePaul Chicago 25000
Xavier Cincy 7000
Butler Indianapolis 4500
St. Louis St. Louis 11000
BU Boston 29000
Dayton Columbus 10000
Richmond Richmond 4000
VCU Richmond 30500
George Mason VA 33500
Northeastern Boston 20500
Old Dominion Norfolk 24500
Cleveland St. Cleveland 17000
Gonzaga Seattle 8000
Loyola Mymt LA 9000
Pepperdine LA 7500
St. Mary's SF 4000
San Diego SD 8000
San Fran SF 10000
Santa Clara SF 8500
Denver Denver 11000
Seattle Seattle 7500
Also here are the top DMA's. Bolded are where we would probably have representation. The problem is a lot of the Western/Texas cities have schools with football schools. Would love to get into 1 or 2 more of the Top 10 cities for TV contract purposes.
1 New York 7,300,000
2 LA 5600000
3 Chicago 3500000
4 Philly 2900000
5 Dallas Ft Worth 2500000
6 San Fran-Oak-San Jose 2500000
7 Boston 2300000
8 DC 2300000
9 Atlanta 2300000
10 Houston 2200000
11 Detroit 1800000
12 Seattle-Tacoma 1800000
13 Phoenix 1800000
14 Tampa-St Pete 1800000
15 Minneapolis 1700000
16 Miami 1600000
17 Denver 1500000
18 Cleveland-Akron 1500000
19 Orlando-Daytona 1400000
20 Sacramento-Stockton 1400000
21 St. Louis 1200000
22 Portland 1100000
23 Pittsburgh 1100000
24 Raleigh-Durham 1100000
25 Charlotte 1100000
26 Indy 1100000
27 Baltimore 1100000
28 San Diego 1000000
29 Nashville 1000000
30 Hartford 100000
31 Kansas City 900000
32 Columbus 900000
33 Salt Lake City 900000
34 Milwaukee 900000