All Realignment Talk Here

[cappy105]

no way merge....we have strong schools with plenty of tradition. we do not need to MERGE, we can set the trend. small strong hoops only conference. major point, agree...schedule aggresively. I really dont think Lav will bail. We still have some strong coaches if that holds true....JT3, jay wright, and buzz williams, and cooley are very up and coming.

 

[RM86]

Am I the only one who thinks the ACC is stronger today than it was a week ago?
Also, that the B1G is weaker than a week ago?

I agree. That is going to be one tough hoops conference.

 

[doodyny33]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

This is probably the best case scenario, but there is another problem. With the exception of maybe Georgetown, none of these schools can afford to throw away 10 million on a buyout in order to sign with the A10. Considering their TV revenue would basically be cut in half, it would take years in order to recoup what they spent.

Only way they get out of the conference is if the non-FB schools vote the conference down or Aresco kicks them out. The financials just don't work in St. John's favor.

 

[doodyny33]

Saw this in Jeff Goodman's blog:

The Big East, on the other hand, may soon have a decision to make under new commissioner Mike Aresco. It will add Memphis, Temple, SMU, Houston, Central Florida next season for basketball and recently decided to add Tulane as well.

"We're not finished," Mike Aresco said recently. "We obviously have some other plans for expansion."

Or division.

The basketball-only schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova -- will soon have a decision to make. League members are getting plucked at a rapid pace and Aresco, who recently came over from CBS Sports, may not be able to hold it together with scotch tape for much longer.

 

[cappy105]

why should we stay in this conference? To play Tulane???? come on guys....form a hoops only conference with the above mentioned teams

 

[SJUalum98]

Am I the only one who thinks the ACC is stronger today than it was a week ago?
Also, that the B1G is weaker than a week ago?

And next week the ACC will be weaker.

Not sure why people are looking at the ACC when clearly they are not done. They will get cherry picked just like the Big East.

Pretty sure this thing won't be dealt with until after the Final Four but they have to just combine basketball schools. More than likely SJU will be engulfed into some Big East/Conf USA/MWC/A-10 basketball conference and the ACC will be combined into some other conference, etc., etc.

This thing is nowhere close to being set in stone.

And I'm sure there will be plenty of lawsuits going around as well.

 

[doodyny33]

why should we stay in this conference? To play Tulane???? come on guys....form a hoops only conference with the above mentioned teams

I agree with what you're saying, but the financials have to be in line. Let's say Aresco requires all of the non-FB schools in the Big East to pay the 10 million buyout. Are those schools going to generate a big enough of a TV contract to offset that loss?

Keep in mind the only reason Maryland and Rutgers made the leap to the Big 10 was they were going to recoup their losses in a short amount of time. This probably won't be the case for the non-FB schools in this conference.

 

[MCNPA]

why should we stay in this conference? To play Tulane???? come on guys....form a hoops only conference with the above mentioned teams

I agree with what you're saying, but the financials have to be in line. Let's say Aresco requires all of the non-FB schools in the Big East to pay the 10 million buyout. Are those schools going to generate a big enough of a TV contract to offset that loss?

Keep in mind the only reason Maryland and Rutgers made the leap to the Big 10 was they were going to recoup their losses in a short amount of time. This probably won't be the case for the non-FB schools in this conference.

If they want it to get done, the only way is for the majority which is bball only schools to veto Tulane, ECU and any other additions. Force the football schools to start their own conference. I don't want to see us lose the Big East name. There is history and meaning there and the bball schools don't deserve to lose that too.

Actually, with rutgers and now Louisville out, we should have enough of a majority to dissolve exit fees all together and pretty much boot the football schools by canceling any additions and starting to invite quality A-10 programs into the mix.

 

[SJUalum98]

Saw this in Jeff Goodman's blog:

The Big East, on the other hand, may soon have a decision to make under new commissioner Mike Aresco. It will add Memphis, Temple, SMU, Houston, Central Florida next season for basketball and recently decided to add Tulane as well.

"We're not finished," Mike Aresco said recently. "We obviously have some other plans for expansion."

Or division.

The basketball-only schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova -- will soon have a decision to make. League members are getting plucked at a rapid pace and Aresco, who recently came over from CBS Sports, may not be able to hold it together with scotch tape for much longer.

Jeff Goodman is a tool. He wants to see Aresco squirm since he left CBS Sports.

Aresco is not off the hook though. That Tulane deal was a panic move. I like the market but it's a waste of a school to add. In this new landscape, it was to offset the Rutgers loss but it was done only because Aresco got rejected by BYU which would've been a great move.

Aresco knew any combination of Louisville/UConn/Cincy would be bolting so he wanted a quick replacement to save face. I think he should've been more patient. Adding Tulane was simply not a good move. He should've waited and held out because I'm sure there are much better schools out there looking to make a jump because the BE still has that Bowl-qualifying bid as their ace card.

 

[1and1sju]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

+100 Absolutely on point.

And you're right about the voting situation. We have enough votes now to disband the conference, or kickout the football schools. If the basketball schools want to change the conference, they have enough votes to do away with the exit fees.

And hopefully they can retain the BIg East name as you've suggested.

 

[SJUalum98]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

+100 Absolutely on point.

And you're right about the voting situation. We have enough votes now to disband the conference, or kickout the football schools. If the basketball schools want to change the conference, they have enough votes to do away with the exit fees.

And hopefully they can retain the BIg East name as you've suggested.

Not going to happen.

Aresco is negotiating a television contract. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Mean Gene]

Would the basketball schools have to pay the full 10 million or would they only have to pay 5 million since their payout is less and they don't play football? I think I read that somewhere but I'm not sure.

 

[MCNPA]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

+100 Absolutely on point.

And you're right about the voting situation. We have enough votes now to disband the conference, or kickout the football schools. If the basketball schools want to change the conference, they have enough votes to do away with the exit fees.

And hopefully they can retain the BIg East name as you've suggested.

For a while I thought we could hold on to this thing, but we can't. No way, no how. We know that Uconn and Cincy are gone as soon as the ACC loses, FSU, Clemson, V-tech and any number of schools to other conferences. I guess we are going to have to embrace our strengths at some point and cant keep fighting the tide.

The fact remains that the ACC is trying survive too, but won't be able to remain part I'd the "Big Four" when the other conferences start to add again. This thing will keep going until we don't have viable football candidates in our conference anyway.

Fwiw, I think we should all use Marquette as a model. They are able to land in the top tier of bball revenue every years. They are obviously doing something right. Big East bball schools need to start inviting teams like Xavier and Dayton to the mix who have fantastic bball programs and are a natural fit. Not sure how this will look in the end but I think it is safe to say we'll lose Uconn and Cincy too soon enough. Time to exert our majority votes while we can.

 

[MCNPA]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

+100 Absolutely on point.

And you're right about the voting situation. We have enough votes now to disband the conference, or kickout the football schools. If the basketball schools want to change the conference, they have enough votes to do away with the exit fees.

And hopefully they can retain the BIg East name as you've suggested.

Not going to happen.

Aresco is negotiating a television contract. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

He has nothing to sell right now. Nothing except the looming threat of losing Uconn and Cincinnatti.

 

[SJUalum98]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

+100 Absolutely on point.

And you're right about the voting situation. We have enough votes now to disband the conference, or kickout the football schools. If the basketball schools want to change the conference, they have enough votes to do away with the exit fees.

And hopefully they can retain the BIg East name as you've suggested.

Not going to happen.

Aresco is negotiating a television contract. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

He has nothing to sell right now. Nothing except the looming threat of losing Uconn and Cincinnatti.

If he presented a Conference to ESPN (or any other network) without any football teams, he should be fired on the spot. That's just bad business. His job is to lock in the largest TV contract he can get and he has to show some form of revenue generation down the road. I'm guessing adding Tulane and Eastern Carolina were just used as some bartering chips when it eventually comes time to divvy up all of the schools. Again, just think he should've held out for some better schools but I'm sure he was just looking at regional markets.

I think this entire realignment will be overseen by some other party after football and basketball season is done. No way they're going to require exit fees from all of these different schools. And I'm sure the ones who already paid them will litigate to recoup them.

 

[Rob Lenhart]

Word is
1) East Carolina will wind up being admitted for all-sports, not just fb
2) with BE at 16 bb schools any future additions will be fb only

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/colle...uisville_BfYLcShbJlaHXJXI68DAUL#axzz2DN1zOIsr

 

[tom in salem]

Word is
1) East Carolina will wind up being admitted for all-sports, not just fb
2) with BE at 16 bb schools any future additions will be fb only

So no Xavier?
No Butler?
Shoot me please, get it over with.

 

[cappy105]

and.......? the Post was breaking news? im so pissed right now with all this. I never wanted the Johnnies to be in conference usa and now they are.....

 

[redken]

Time to be proactive and get the hell out of the Big East before it deteriorates any further. Going just about anywhere -- including to a new conference along with Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Marquette, DePaul & Seton Hall -- is imperative. And the longer we wait, the greater the risk of sinking into oblivion, becoming less & less attractive to quality recruits, and, without question, losing Lavin. Question is: Who's going to step up and take the lead?