All Realignment Talk Here

[SJUalum98]

Big pile of crow served up on Rick Pitino's plate today. I can't wait to see him back peddle.

Time to root for FSU and Clemson to take their talents elsewhere. But can they afford the $50M?

Time for higher authorities to step in. College athletics have gone the way of boxing as a "sport" with no authoritative body.

Imagine NFL/NBA teams switching divisions to gain TV revenue markets.

It won't stop because Athletic Directors are only concerned with how much $$$ they can get their hands on right now. They don't care about the success of their athletic teams on the field anymore. They're concerned with how much they can pocket for themselves first and for their schools second.

Rutgers is a perfect example as they have pretty much given up on competing for Bowl games to squander in the basement of the B1G. They never cared about basketball either and will remain at the bottom in whichever conference they are in.

Scrap exit fees. Blow it all up. Football super conferences and Basketball conferences. Rivalries are out of the window.

 

[newsman13]

it's called the big east...but it isn't the big east anymore. no way, no how.

it's the difference in commissioners. when the big 12 was going belly up...something big was done. now it's a major bcs factor again. the acc saw the writing on the wall...they cherry picked the big east...now it's still in the game.

the big east is left to be picked apart like a goat on a spit. while the above was happening, the league sat around and waited until everything shook out. this is the result. the bcs puts the big east into a group of five mid major football conferences. what football team in the big east would want to stay? why?

as i posted before, some of the most creative ideas have come from posters on these sites...not from the commissioner's office. this guy has to go and someone with a creative mind has to replace him. today! something BIG has to be done with no fewer than 16...and maybe 32 basketball schools to form a national college basketball conference with divisions. it's probably too late. after today, the big east basketballwise is weaker than the atlantic 10. get creative today or live with the mediocrity forever.

 

[paultzman]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

 

[ras]

Per ESPN UL is going to ACC.

 

[MJDinkins]

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

This is pretty much how I'm looking at things.

 

[LINY89]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

 

[doodyny33]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

 

[Rob Lenhart]

Per ESPN UL is going to ACC.[/quote
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And SJ and Georgetown are not.

Florida State, BTW, has been identified by numerous sources as the force that pushed for Louisville to be added to the ACC rather than UCONN. That being said I don't see FSU (nor Clemson) leaving the ACC. And, if they did, the BE would just lose out again and say goodbye to UCONN and Cincinnati.

Virginia's AD was quoted yesterday as saying VA is not interested in leaving the ACC and, as reported here, UNC has indicated they also are not looking to leave.

Don't look for the ACC Big East Conference to implode.

Okay, so who's up next for all sports to replace Louisville. Anyone for Northern Illinois? How about Eastern Michigan.

 

[tom in salem]

I understand the argument that in past years the "football" schools brought value to the Big East television contracts however given the fact that Big East football will now be composed of media lightweights Tulane, ECU, USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, SMU it is time for the basketball schools to consider breaking away and forming a dedicated basketball centered conference.

Throughout this painful conference reshuffling process it appears that St.John's, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Villanova, and Marquette have not shown leadership in shaping events within the Big East.

Villanova showed plenty of leadership. They tried to upgrade football to leave the rest of the Catholic schools in the dust.

 

[LINY89]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

 

[MCNPA]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Add those "top" mid-majors to existing Big East basketball-only schools and it is more than a decent conference IMO. Nobody wanted to be in this position. It's not in our hands as a program without football. Certainly need to get creative like Newsie says.

 

[fredd43]

ESPN reported last night that Eastern Carolina will join the BE in 2014 for football only. Tulane has opted

to join the BE with all sports, also in 2014.

 

[tom in salem]

Am I the only one who thinks the ACC is stronger today than it was a week ago?
Also, that the B1G is weaker than a week ago?

 

[cappy105]

Honestly fellas, this is a never ending frenzy right now. Its better St Johns and other schools like them be ground breakers ( if thats possible ). The "new" league will be the old Conference USA, lets stop all this nonsense, form a conference like the "old" big east. This way , although small market, it willhave strong basketball value. It will survive, it will be more entertaining to watch a league of St Johns, GTown, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette, and maybe Xavier, St Louis, Butler, or even VCU join us. This would be like the "old" BigEast...that worked. It will survive, and it will be better than all this panic going on. All these greedy schools defected from conference to another will end up in mediocrity. COME ON GUYS.....MAKE THE BOLD MOVE, start a new "old" Big East...call it the Big North

 

[cappy105]

all together now......... BIG NORTH !! BIG NORTH !!!

 

[fuchsia]

No doubt VCU, Memphis, and any other schools located below the Mason Dixon line will love belonging to the Big North

 

[MCNPA]

Honestly fellas, this is a never ending frenzy right now. Its better St Johns and other schools like them be ground breakers ( if thats possible ). The "new" league will be the old Conference USA, lets stop all this nonsense, form a conference like the "old" big east. This way , although small market, it willhave strong basketball value. It will survive, it will be more entertaining to watch a league of St Johns, GTown, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette, and maybe Xavier, St Louis, Butler, or even VCU join us. This would be like the "old" BigEast...that worked. It will survive, and it will be better than all this panic going on. All these greedy schools defected from conference to another will end up in mediocrity. COME ON GUYS.....MAKE THE BOLD MOVE, start a new "old" Big East...call it the Big North

We should keep the Big East name. If there's really a split, the bball schools should just veto Tulane and ECU. Big east name should always stay with the basketball schools. Very important IMO. It's not just a name.

 

[Mean Gene]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

 

[MCNPA]

ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Calipari was able to do it at UMass and again in Memphis. It can be done as long as you schedule agressively out of conference. The basketball only schools in the Big East should just merge with the A-10 and have it over with. They will make it an excellent basketball conference and as long as Lavin stays he will be able to recruit just like Calipari was able to do it.

I think it has to happen at this point. Would be a much better bball conference than the A-10 was alone. Not even close. Could be a good all sports conference with real bball rivalries built again. At this point I really don't think there's much of a choice.

 

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ACC presidents have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning ....

I think say goodbye to Louisville.

This whole situation certainly is fluid, isn't it?

Good! The quicker the football schools are out, the better. Then we can focus on bball.

Right, because losing the #2 team in the country makes the Big East a much more basketball oriented conference.

They were gone anyway...nothing we can do there. Let the football SOB's leave now. As I said before...I highly doubt that when this all settles that SJ, Nova, G'Town, UConn, etc. will all just be left as mid majors. The Big East will be all but dead with a few good teams left...someone will take the remaining ones and the leftovers will merge with the A10.

None of the big conferences are going to take on the non-FB playing schools. Period. This should tell you all you need to know.

Sources said there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC will vote to add only one member because the remaining two Big East schools have no other options and the ACC could get them later on if the ACC lost any other schools.

If UConn and Cincinnati are being kept in a holding pattern, teams like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's have been grounded. Listen, there are one of three ways this is going to play out. (1) St. John's will stick around in the Big East, accept the fact that its basketball reputation is completely gone, and continue to make money from the football playing schools (2) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and create a Catholic league so to speak (3) St. John's will break off from the Big East, accept a major financial loss, and join a conference like the A10.

No, it's not JUST because of football. It's markets and TV deals. Tell me G'Town, UConn, Nova, and SJ wouldn't get them more money in a deal. ESPN is behind all of this...you can bet they are suggesting what I said. If we are added as basketball only schools to the ACC it makes perfect sense. How do all those major historic teams become mid majors overnight? Sorry, just can't see it. Is it really that big a deal for the ACC to take in the last 4 major Big East teams?

Yes, it is all about football. Basketball makes peanuts for college teams compared to what basketball brings to the table. In case you haven't noticed, none of the power conferences have any non-FB playing schools. The Big East was alone in this.

Why do you keep thinking ESPN is behind this? Because Marco Baldi said it on JJ? Trust me, ESPN is not in a room saying "You know what? With all of this moving and shaking within the conferences, we need to look out for St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova. Sure, we aren't going to make that much off them, but we can't let them become mid majors." Come on, they don't care. We are irrelevant in this entire process.

The ironic part about all this is I don't even care what conference SJU is in. All I care about is the school's ability to keep Lavin, build a strong schedule, and keep recruiting strong. If they can do that, then all of this stuff just doesn't matter.

Your last paragraph reflects my feelings exactly. Have to make the best of this and move on. IMO, staying In BE is unacceptable and an all hoops league may take time, but is our only alternative. Sad times.

You don't care what conference we are in? So I guess you don't care about national identity, major recruiting, major coaches, more money for the program, more competition, bigger stage, etc. If SJ becomes a mid major that all but sends the death certificate to our basketball program.

Yes, that's right. Butler, Dayton, St. Joes, VCU, Xavier, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and SDSU are all dead programs. Let's consider how St. John's hasn't gotten out of the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament since 2000. Or how they have only made the tourney six times since 1993. We're not exactly a juggernaut here.

Here's the fact: Big East was the most rare conference in college sports because it had both FB playing schools and non-FB playing schools. And that era is over.

How do Dayton, St. Joe's, St. Mary's, VCU, etc. recruit? Nowhere near what we just did. Mid major means saying bye bye to top 25 recruiting classes, and bye bye to top 100 players. There are always exceptions to the rule where mighty mid majors can sustain success and recruit well like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, etc. but it's very rare. Those are the top mid majors. You really think we can pull classes like the last 2 out of our hat in a mid major conference? There is no way. I don't understand why some of you want to be a mid major...we would take a big hit financially and it would immediately put into question if Lavin will even stay long. If you think there are no fans now, just wait if we actually do move to the A10 or the Big East turns mid major. There would no longer be a major NYC team in a power conference which makes zero sense to miss out on a market and stage like that. That's why I have such a hard time believing we will be left in the dust. It's like starting a new pro basketball league and not having a New York team...nonsense.

Look how UNLV and SDSU have been recruiting lately and they are not in major conferences