All Realignment Talk Here
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Yea, I do. North Carolina isn't Pittsburgh or Maryland. They don't need more money to support their athletic programs. Every program at UNC has basically unlimited resources.
UNC is big enough that they don't need to entertain offers from other conferences. They are one of the few teams that are almost bigger than their conference - UCLA, Kentucky, Michigan etc
Licensing alone brings in millions for UNC.
tom in salem
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Nebraska jumped.
Texas was this (") close to juming.
Memphis seems to have been able to continue to recruit despite a conference that has been in worse shape than the BE.
Admittedly, Tulane is not a great addition...but the commish is desperate to establish some semblance of stability in the face of potential defections...
Will be interesting to see if BBall schools elect to take a vote if the $s fall in their favor
jc1305us
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The more I read and hear, it seems that the Big East's days while not numbered, are certainly waning. Tulane?! East Carolina? Seriously? Even Francesa addressed it today, saying in essence that the Big East is done, accept it, move on and form the basketball only conference that has been talked about for some time. My concern is that if we do not actively seek out some alternatives, we will be left without a seat when the music stops. Of the remaining original BE Schools, we have the advantage of being in NYC obviously, but we cannot lay claim to either a superior academic standing a la Georgetown, or a recent championship winning tradition like Uconn. When they leave, not if, we are a seriously weak conference. At that point, who knows what happens, but we then become the proverbial big fish in a small pond, as the other schools which helped make this conference what it is, have moved on to Greener pastures, pun intended.
tom in salem
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Well, if francessa says so.........................................................
Are we really considering a city closer to Canada than NYC as representing the NYC market? No doubt Cuse dominates us historically and in about every other aspect in terms of basketball, but the markets are not the same. NYC and Syracuse couldn't be more different. We remain the ONLY real major NYC team...not the fakers like Rutgers, SH, or Cuse. Jersey is Jersey, and Cuse is Canada practically. How do we not bring a lot to the table with MSG and NYC alone? The ACC must know taking us would magnify the conference and build up way more hype. Doing big things in the Carolinas is one thing...doing big things in NYC is about as big as it gets. You are telling me they aren't salivating over potential Duke/SJ, Duke/UNC, SJ/Cuse, G'Town/SJ, G'Town/Cuse, SJ/Pitt, etc. matchups at the Garden? Then factor in the ACC tourney with all those teams when it matters even more. I think many people are selling us short. It's not all about football...it's about ratings, media markets, and money. We bring a few of those and if we take a decent amount less money than the football schools I don't see the problem.
First off, Syracuse is NY's team at the moment. There's a reason why when Syracuse comes to play against St. John's that 3/4 of the arena are Cuse fans. They have a more passionate fan base than we do. Will this always be the case? Of course not. But presently it is. Lavin has done everything he can to inject life into the base and we still only draw 4,000 to a game against FGC.
Second, any of those ACC teams could have a one on one matchup at the Garden. MSG would be salivating over Duke vs. UNC in their house. Neither of these teams need SJU for that to happen.
Third, it is all about football. If it wasn't, why is the Big 10 contract netting about 20x more than the A10 deal? Most people don't really care about college basketball until March. Football takes priority every time.
ErickTheRed
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If we are moving towards a "super 4" football conference alignment, then one should assume that FSU, Miami, VAtech, Boston College, Clemson and Gtech could be looking to bolt to Big12, Big10 and SEC. That would leave room in the ACC for Georgetown, 'Nova and us and others for basketball only. The ACC and Big East would be football bottom feeders. I mean even before all these moves other than FSU, Va Tech (on a great year) and maybe Miami if they revived thr program could you see a run for a national title or big bowl game. Sorry but the Uconn's, and Louisville's of the world are not competing for a national title regardless of conference they are in. I know its all about the TV money split among the football schools and thats the bottom line but at some point the music is going to stop and teams will be left standing and will be looking to salvage any $$$ left out there. One question to people out there, would Uconn have a decent football program if Calhoun had not built a championship Mens basketball team?
Navy is more valuable to the ACC right now than us Joe.
Football games garner the tv money, that's what all this is about. It can't be repeated enough.
The only reason we would be attractive is if they thought having SJU in conference could somehow lead to nyc tv viewers transitioning to become ACC football fans.
That won't happen. So there really isn't an upside.
Football games garner the tv money, that's what all this is about. It can't be repeated enough.
The only reason we would be attractive is if they thought having SJU in conference could somehow lead to nyc tv viewers transitioning to become ACC football fans.
That won't happen. So there really isn't an upside.
Let's not confuse fanbase and quality of the team with the tv market it brings. I don't care if no SJ fans ever show up to MSG games (I do, but for argument's sake)...SJ is the only major NYC college in terms of sports. That's it. No others. When SJ is decent, you hear about it. When they are good there is lots of coverage. When they are great, you will see them on the front pages and being discussed on many ESPN shows like PTI, Around the Horn, Sportsnation, etc. Cuse has a large alumni base in the NYC area, but Cuse does not represent the NYC area. If the LA Dodgers play, their TV market is Los Angeles, not Sacramento because they have lots of fans there. Fans don't dictate who represents what market...location does.
The Big East is getting watered down fast. This will absolutely KILL our recruiting...Tulane...yuck. If we can't join the ACC then it really is time for a basketball only conference of Xavier, Butler, SJ, G'Town, Nova, SH, Prov, DePaul, Memphis, Temple.