All Realignment Talk Here

Tulane? Oh wow...they make DePaul, Prov, and SH seem like juggernauts. PLEASE let's get out of this mess. I can only pray FSU, Clemson, VT, etc. leave the ACC and open up more spots so we can grab one.

You are assuming that the ACC wants a non-football school. They don't. They would just add UCONN, Louisville and maybe Cincy or some other school like maybe ECU in all sports.
 
so if were adding teams I guess the Big East isnt going anywhere soon.

Big East will ultimately survive. Question is whether St. John's and the remaining non-FB playing schools are going to be part of it.

Yes, I believe you have nailed it.
 
so if were adding teams I guess the Big East isnt going anywhere soon.

Big East will ultimately survive. Question is whether St. John's and the remaining non-FB playing schools are going to be part of it.

If the basketball schools are going to make a move it will have to be after the ACC takes UCONN or Lousiville. Once one more football teams leave, the BB-only schools will have enough votes to disband the conference.
SMU Houston etc won't have a vote till they join next fall.

So, we'll know a lot more about whether SJU and Gtown etc want to start their own conference after the ACC makes up its mind and takes UCONN and/or L'ville.

I'm guessing in the meantime the catholic schools are going to get an estimate for what they could get for a tv contract. If it's more per school than what they'd get in this new Big East.. then I think they'll vote to shut it down.

Depends on what schools would decided to join. Everyone keeps throwing out quite a few teams that are in the A10, but the A10 is looking pretty strong and stable right now and with a deal for their championships at Barclay's. After years of trying, they are on the verge of surpassing the BE in Basketball.
 
so if were adding teams I guess the Big East isnt going anywhere soon.

Big East will ultimately survive. Question is whether St. John's and the remaining non-FB playing schools are going to be part of it.

If the basketball schools are going to make a move it will have to be after the ACC takes UCONN or Lousiville. Once one more football teams leave, the BB-only schools will have enough votes to disband the conference.
SMU Houston etc won't have a vote till they join next fall.

So, we'll know a lot more about whether SJU and Gtown etc want to start their own conference after the ACC makes up its mind and takes UCONN and/or L'ville.

I'm guessing in the meantime the catholic schools are going to get an estimate for what they could get for a tv contract. If it's more per school than what they'd get in this new Big East.. then I think they'll vote to shut it down.

Depends on what schools would decided to join. Everyone keeps throwing out quite a few teams that are in the A10, but the A10 is looking pretty strong and stable right now and with a deal for their championships at Barclay's. After years of trying, they are on the verge of surpassing the BE in Basketball.

Bad news for us, because Xavier is a must-get for a new league.
 
Baldi seemed certain that we were going to the ACC only a week ago or so and he has an inside source supposedly.
 
so if were adding teams I guess the Big East isnt going anywhere soon.

Big East will ultimately survive. Question is whether St. John's and the remaining non-FB playing schools are going to be part of it.

If the basketball schools are going to make a move it will have to be after the ACC takes UCONN or Lousiville. Once one more football teams leave, the BB-only schools will have enough votes to disband the conference.
SMU Houston etc won't have a vote till they join next fall.

So, we'll know a lot more about whether SJU and Gtown etc want to start their own conference after the ACC makes up its mind and takes UCONN and/or L'ville.

I'm guessing in the meantime the catholic schools are going to get an estimate for what they could get for a tv contract. If it's more per school than what they'd get in this new Big East.. then I think they'll vote to shut it down.

Depends on what schools would decided to join. Everyone keeps throwing out quite a few teams that are in the A10, but the A10 is looking pretty strong and stable right now and with a deal for their championships at Barclay's. After years of trying, they are on the verge of surpassing the BE in Basketball.

Bad news for us, because Xavier is a must-get for a new league.

Absolutely agree. Xavier and Butler are the prizes to be had in the A-10. And I'm not 100% sure they would accept a BE invite at this point. Depends how much more money our tv contract is vs. the A-10's.
 
so if were adding teams I guess the Big East isnt going anywhere soon.

Big East will ultimately survive. Question is whether St. John's and the remaining non-FB playing schools are going to be part of it.

If the basketball schools are going to make a move it will have to be after the ACC takes UCONN or Lousiville. Once one more football teams leave, the BB-only schools will have enough votes to disband the conference.
SMU Houston etc won't have a vote till they join next fall.

So, we'll know a lot more about whether SJU and Gtown etc want to start their own conference after the ACC makes up its mind and takes UCONN and/or L'ville.

I'm guessing in the meantime the catholic schools are going to get an estimate for what they could get for a tv contract. If it's more per school than what they'd get in this new Big East.. then I think they'll vote to shut it down.
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FSU, who several have mentioned as interested in leaving the ACC, has been reported as pushing to get Louisville invited to the ACC. They are not interested in having UCONN as a member. Perhaps if the ACC invites UCONN the rumors of them asking out of the ACC might pick up more steam.

Thinking about what I wrote earlier it might be that since the BE could not get BYU or AFA they decided that instead of inviting another school from out West they opted for East Carolina. A new western school, if added, would have been football only which is what ECU will join for. Tulane simply is the replacement for Rutgers. Next BE move may not be until the ACC plucks either UCONN or Louisville or UCONN, UL and Cincy all leave.


As mentioned before, a tv contract for non-fb schools would be on the lowest end of the scale. Money is not there. Atlantic 10, until they just renegotiated (and I didn't see the figures) had a tv contract ranked 29th out of 29 college sports conferences. Was valued at about $500,000 a year. Is it the West Coast Conf, the one Gonzaga and St Mary's is in - they were ranked either 26th or 27th out of 29 conferences. A-10 teams were, divided equally, getting about $35,000 a year from tv. SJ reportedly was getting 1.2-1.3 million a year from the BE contract that just expired. They were looking to get 2.5-3 million a year from a new contract. Without football they are not getting anything close to the 1.2-1.3 million they are getting now even if a Xaver, Butler and Dayton are added.
 
Baldi seemed certain that we were going to the ACC only a week ago or so and he has an inside source supposedly.

St. John's is not getting invited to play in the ACC anytime soon

Again, they just don't bring enough to the table
 
Baldi seemed certain that we were going to the ACC only a week ago or so and he has an inside source supposedly.

Don't know who his source is, but I don't see that happening. Just ask why would they take a basketball only school? Yes, I know they took ND without football, but ND guarantees 5 games a year against ACC opponents. That is big for them no matter how many people like to think ND is a non-factor in football and living off of past glory (until this year and I still believe they loose to Alabama or Georgia in the National Title game.). Rank wise they have not been very good, but ratings wise, the fact that they have "subway" alums/fans all over the country and travel well, they are a big time draw and desirable program.

New York has a huge TV market but the interest in college football is small. And as big as the market is, college baskeball ratings are not as high as one would think. The number of pro teams in the area affects it (although a good St. John's program brings the numbers up)..

Lastly, ACC is considered to be NC centric. It already has a school located in New York State (oh it really hurts to type this) that has a decent following.. If the ACC were to take a basketball only school, why not Georgetown. They are closer proximity wise to most of the schools, maintains the ACC's presence in a current market when Maryland leaves, and some of the schools will like their academic profile better (insert Clemson aka Moo U jokes here).
 
I bet Jermaine Lawrence can't wait to play Tulane. Expect a commitment any minute now.

Am totally depressed.
 
Baldi seemed certain that we were going to the ACC only a week ago or so and he has an inside source supposedly.

Don't know who his source is, but I don't see that happening. Just ask why would they take a basketball only school? Yes, I know they took ND without football, but ND guarantees 5 games a year against ACC opponents. That is big for them no matter how many people like to think ND is a non-factor in football and living off of past glory (until this year and I still believe they loose to Alabama or Georgia in the National Title game.). Rank wise they have not been very good, but ratings wise, the fact that they have "subway" alums/fans all over the country and travel well, they are a big time draw and desirable program.

New York has a huge TV market but the interest in college football is small. And as big as the market is, college baskeball ratings are not as high as one would think. The number of pro teams in the area affects it (although a good St. John's program brings the numbers up)..

Lastly, ACC is considered to be NC centric. It already has a school located in New York State (oh it really hurts to type this) that has a decent following.. If the ACC were to take a basketball only school, why not Georgetown. They are closer proximity wise to most of the schools, maintains the ACC's presence in a current market when Maryland leaves, and some of the schools will like their academic profile better (insert Clemson aka Moo U jokes here).
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Well written. Exactly.

The key word in Joe3's post about what Baldi wrote is "supposedly".

As we sit back our thoughts will eventually turn to what school the BE will add for all sports should UCONN, Louisville or Cincinnati leave. Unless there's a western division set up as all sports (Houston and SMU could find a home there) the possibilities may be too awful to consider. A western all-sports could add SDSU and a UNLV to the bb side of the ledger.

Tom in Salem, I can't resist writing it again. As Paul said to his wife after today's moves, "Thank you, Mrs. Hewitt."
 
Not news that Cinci is desperate to find a life-raft.

"Cincinnati is making a strong push to gain admittance to the ACC with a campaign about why the school is a more viable option than fellow Big East members Connecticut and Louisville, a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN."

"Cincinnati's talking points center on the success of the football team in the last five years, the combined success of football and men's basketball in the top 25 as recently as last year, the Cincinnati media market, the fertile Ohio football recruiting ground and its strength as a research institution."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...i-bearcats-making-strong-push-join-acc-source
 
Also, ESPN says that UNC declares allegiance to the ACC.

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Not surpised to hear that and I don't think UNC is blowing smoke either.

Saw elsewhere that Aresco is thinking of BE going to 16 football schools. Still looking West. Fresno St would be #1. Others in the mix would be UNLV, Colorado State, even Texas-San Antonio and Rice are now being mentioned. Don't know if any of this can be believed. I wonder who will replace Navy when they opt out. Navy would be a bookend to ND. Only in ACC for football. Navy also gives ACC coverage in the Washington DC market negating the need for adding Georgetown.
 
I still think the ACC is vulnerable.....If UVA leaves for the Big 10 or FSU and/or Clemson leave for the Big 12, it could cause a domino effect which could rip the ACC apart.....
 
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