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IMHO if we win we will get recruits-regardless of the state of the BEC or whatever conference we are in. We have to start winning this year, that is our pre-emptive strategy.
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I agree Joe. Look what Calipari was able to do with Memphis when they were in ConferenceUSA. It doesn't matter what conference we are in. Even if we are in the A-10, If we schedule agressively outside of conference ,are ranked consistantly and Lavin continues to send players to the NBA Lavin will be able to recruit.
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Absolutely correct. IMO I don't think the Big East gets folded into the A10. BE is a marketable commodity. A10 has no cache. If anything, I think the BE will poach some A10 members.
 
I know it probably doesn't make sense from a money perspective, but what about St. John's going independent in basketball? I know that the other sports would need to remain in (or find a new conference to play in) but lets face it, getting teams to play us at MSG won't be a problem & b/c of we will always have the NYC market I think scheduling road games won't be an issue either. I guess unless we can win with enough regularity to be called the "Notre Dame of college basketball" it probably isn't viable but I couldn't help but bring it up given the state of flux right now in the Big East.
 
I think you are right, same goes for SDSU, not sure about Memphis or Houston though. If the Big East wants to survive as a football conference, even a lower tier one, they need to go after Army, just to have another team on the eastern seaboard.
 
If we had even close to the fan base and the $ as Notre Dame football, it would be viable. Except no college basketball team has those kind of assets.
 
Just my opinion but we as a fan base cant just rely on the prospect of Repole as a savior. We need better fan support whether it's donations or just people going to games.

I was texting Traczok today who was going home from the charleston thing and he said our turnout was real bad but there really isnt an excuse because he said Dayton had close to a thousand fans.

There better be some fans out for the San Fran game when mjmaherjr arrives
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I dont think the school marketed the Charleston tournament the way they could have. Did you see one mailing about it? I spoke to some long time fans who didnt even know we were going to be in that tournament. The school could have offered ticket deals and hotel deals but did zilch. What do you expect?
 
Just read something that those 3 schools did not contact MW conf. In order to survive as a FB conference theyll have to raid CUSA again and maybe try to get Loiusiana tech to join FB.
 
I know it probably doesn't make sense from a money perspective, but what about St. John's going independent in basketball? I know that the other sports would need to remain in (or find a new conference to play in) but lets face it, getting teams to play us at MSG won't be a problem & b/c of we will always have the NYC market I think scheduling road games won't be an issue either. I guess unless we can win with enough regularity to be called the "Notre Dame of college basketball" it probably isn't viable but I couldn't help but bring it up given the state of flux right now in the Big East.
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We've been there and we've done that and it is not an alternative. We must be in a league- BE, ACC or Mickey Mouse
 
Interesting, although I am sure there are some "indirect talks" or back channel conversations. Lets face it, Boise & SDSU would be crazy not to at least explore going back given what's happening with Rutgers
 
With Maryland joining the Big 10 will Rutgers be far behind? The reports I have seen seem to indicate the Big 10 would like to be the Big 14. If we get a chance to jump to the ACC, I think we should run as fast as we can. The ACC is going to be the old BE soon anyway.
 
If that happens the Big East basketball schools should just merge with the A-10. You would have St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Depaul, Providence, Seton Hall, St. Louis, Butler, Xavier, VCU, St. Joes, UMass etc. That's not a bad conference and if St. Johns can schedule agressively out of conference their SOS will be fine. Plus, if Lavin can do what Calipari did at Memphis, St. Johns can win the conference every year or at least get one of the three or four bids that the conference will get every year. we would be almost guaranteed an NCAA bid every year.
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You really want to play Charlotte, LaSalle, Richmond, URI, etc? Talk about watering down.
 
At this point you may as well wait it out. Good chance the ACC gets what's coming to them and maybe they will be willing to talk.

I want no part of sharing a conference with Duquesne and Fordham.

The SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 are circling like vultures, and I don't think the ACC is as strong as it thought.

I think Maryland leaving caught them with their pants down and may start a chain reaction. What happens if Clemson, FSU, and Miami all bolt to the Big 12? What happens if the SEC wants Va. Tech and N.C. State? What if the Big 10 decides it wants some combo of Virginia/BC/Ga. Tech?
 
Just my opinion but we as a fan base cant just rely on the prospect of Repole as a savior. We need better fan support whether it's donations or just people going to games.

I was texting Traczok today who was going home from the charleston thing and he said our turnout was real bad but there really isnt an excuse because he said Dayton had close to a thousand fans.

There better be some fans out for the San Fran game when mjmaherjr arrives
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I dont think the school marketed the Charleston tournament the way they could have. Did you see one mailing about it? I spoke to some long time fans who didnt even know we were going to be in that tournament. The school could have offered ticket deals and hotel deals but did zilch. What do you expect?
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Honestly since I read the boards so much for me at least I dont need the school to promote anything but even then assuming they did I dont know what an impact it would have.

It's possible maybe more people would go but realistically pretty much every fan I know at least reads these boards but I guess some more people could have gone but even then not the numbers that the other schools had there.

Tickets were cheap there but hotels were expensive I think.

Oh well time to get ready for the Napa redmen.com tour
 
At this point you may as well wait it out. Good chance the ACC gets what's coming to them and maybe they will be willing to talk.

I want no part of sharing a conference with Duquesne and Fordham.

The SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 are circling like vultures, and I don't think the ACC is as strong as it thought.

I think Maryland leaving caught them with their pants down and may start a chain reaction. What happens if Clemson, FSU, and Miami all bolt to the Big 12? What happens if the SEC wants Va. Tech and N.C. State? What if the Big 10 decides it wants some combo of Virginia/BC/Ga. Tech?
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Curious but anyone knows what happens to a tv deal if schools bolt ? Is there an out clause for espn?
 
I think if FSU, Clemson, and Miami leave, that actually makes it a possibility that SJ, G'Town, UConn, and Nova head over.
 
I think if FSU, Clemson, and Miami leave, that actually makes it a possibility that SJ, G'Town, UConn, and Nova head over.
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A naysayer would just point to the fact that non-football and football schools don't match - the proof is in the pudding and that's why the Big East just blew up; However maybe this situation is different - if most of the power football conferences get done gobbling up the ACC and the Big East - and maybe if the ACC is crippled enough - just maybe then the likes of Coach K, et al, would put pressure on their superiors to try and maintain a good basketball conference.
However methinks that a conference with Duke, UNC, Syracuse and say UCONN along with some complementary pieces will be just fine basketball wise... that's why I am doubtful we (along with our non-football brethren) will get thrown a bone and asked to join the ACC.
We would be very fortunate that we would get an invite from the ACC, but I'm skeptical it will happen.

I have to say the one thing I'm thankful for is that this all seems to be coming to a head - it would be nice to get all this nonsense behind us. If we get relegated to A-10 status, then so be it. Might as well get it over instead of continually watching this slow moving train-wreck before our eyes.
 
People have to start thinking about it from the ACC's perspective? What allure does St. John's really have that merits an invite?

The program has been irrelevant for a long time. It's starting to show some life in the past few years, but we are no different than most of the A10 schools that we poke fun of.
 
Yes, true. We do deliver MSG and the NYC media market to some extent. Though at this point, schools like Duke and UNC are such national brands, that I doubt that they really need us from a contract perspective when they negotiate with the likes of ESPN and other networks. They schedule so many games at MSG, and now Barclays, that maybe our brand relevance has been diminished. We all know this.

Unfortunately, it's disheartening. I doubt we are thrown a bone. We be going to the A-10, or the A-10 be coming to the Big East. It still could be solid conference, just hopefully not too diluted a conference that it completely kills our chances of really recruiting...

One thing that we can hang our hats on - is that we do have MSG, and with a master recruiter like Lavin - perhaps we can be the Gonzaga of the East. we'll see...
 
People have to start thinking about it from the ACC's perspective? What allure does St. John's really have that merits an invite?

The program has been irrelevant for a long time. It's starting to show some life in the past few years, but we are no different than most of the A10 schools that we poke fun of.
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STJ is king in a city of 9 million people with a metropolitan area of 20 million. St. John's is top ten all-time in wins, is a historic program, and gives more access to the Mecca of College Basketball, MSG. Imagine UNC, Duke, and NC State coming to MSG every year? Also, the rivalries are already there with Syracuse, Pitt, BC, and Notre Dame.

If the ACC adds UConn along with Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova, they will control college basketball with no equal. Philly, DC, and New York City are huge television markets. These are populations with no real college football teams with fans that would be much more inclined to turn on a game featuring a familiar conference rival even if it is in a sport their school doesn't offer. I know I've watched a few dozen college games in my day just becase they were Big East schools.
 
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