Adonis not Eligible?

[monte]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Let it play out.

We have no choice but to let it play out. But with little we know already it aint good. I don't car so much about losing the kid for the semester or even the year. IMO he wasn't going to contribute very much anyway. Although he would have been counted on for more minutes with Thomas gone. What I care most about is how this reflects on our program and the implications it could have on the recruiting of IB, etc.

 

[Jack Williams]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

Jack, let's not pretend this is the first time it's happened under Lavin's watch. Sampson, Pelle, and Garrett in 2011. Wood and Sanchez in 2012. Issues with Jordan last year. And now KT and ADR this year. I know we're all in a good mood because of recent events with IB, but all of these transcript and academic issues are becoming a real black eye for the program. The staff either needs to clean it up or get the hell out of here.

I'm sorry, but the same issue came up with KT, and I'll say it again. I don't see how Lavin is to blame if the NCAA declared this guy eligible. Do you want steve to not believe the NCAA and do his own detective work?

You can get into how he should never have recruited ADR in is first place, but that's such a damn reach we needed size and he was in our own backyard.

 

[paultzman]

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So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

Jack, let's not pretend this is the first time it's happened under Lavin's watch. Sampson, Pelle, and Garrett in 2011. Wood and Sanchez in 2012. Issues with Jordan last year. And now KT and ADR this year. I know we're all in a good mood because of recent events with IB, but all of these transcript and academic issues are becoming a real black eye for the program. The staff either needs to clean it up or get the hell out of here.

Can't argue with your frustration. We can rationalize everything, but clearly this can't continue.

 

[1and1sju]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

Hypothetically, if steve lavin were to murder chris mullin at halftime during Friday's game, with a hatchet, at mid-court, would that be his fault?
I mean, Norm could never even get Mullin to be around the program, and at least Lavin would have the program in the headlines, right?

 

[1and1sju]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

 

[monte]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

He had no other viable options, so he took a shot on Thomas and ADR and hoped for the best.

 

[1and1sju]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

He had no other viable options, so he took a shot on Thomas and ADR and hoped for the best.

I truly don't understand how in one class you've been recruiting for 4 years you can have no options other than a 3-star and a JUCO with questionable academic credentials, and the very following year be in the hunt for all americans.

 

[TRabinowitz]

And the reason they were in the situation where they had to take risks is because they didn't start actively recruiting bigs for the 2014 class (with the exception of Chris McCullough, who they backed off of) until March of 2014. THAT is the staffs fault. They knew they would lose Sanchez, Gift and possibly Jakarr and they sat on their you-know-what and didn't start recruiting until late. They took 2 risks because of it and got burned.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

He had no other viable options, so he took a shot on Thomas and ADR and hoped for the best.

And this is my problem. He was brought here on the basis of being a good recruited and the roster is completely bare. Next year is potentially worse. The Big East needs us to be good and not a laughing stock. We need to be good because it's been too long for our fan base and alumni. This program has been an utter circus act since Louie retired. Take a few years out where we were good and we are completely irrelevant in the landscape of college bball.

good players can mask the bad coaching but bad players and even worse NO PLAYERS will expose this staff for the inept bunch they've turned out to be.

They shouldn't be reaching for Adonis DeLaRosa or Artis from Oregon when they could've recruited kids in the first place to fill the spots. The staff knew very well that Sanchez was leaving and maybe Sampson to go pro....even if sampson stayed it still makes sense to recruit players than to not recruit them. This has turned into a complete failure on all angles.

 

[monte]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

He had no other viable options, so he took a shot on Thomas and ADR and hoped for the best.

And this is my problem. He was brought here on the basis of being a good recruited and the roster is completely bare. Next year is potentially worse. The Big East needs us to be good and not a laughing stock. We need to be good because it's been too long for our fan base and alumni. This program has been an utter circus act since Louie retired. Take a few years out where we were good and we are completely irrelevant in the landscape of college bball.

good players can mask the bad coaching but bad players and even worse NO PLAYERS will expose this staff for the inept bunch they've turned out to be.

They shouldn't be reaching for Adonis DeLaRosa or Artis from Oregon when they could've recruited kids in the first place to fill the spots. The staff knew very well that Sanchez was leaving and maybe Sampson to go pro....even if sampson stayed it still makes sense to recruit players than to not recruit them. This has turned into a complete failure on all angles.

Agree with everything you say, just so long as you don't try to pin any of this on Arbitello

 

[Mike]

So the NCAA cleared both players to allow them to play? Thomas, I understand cause the program was corrupt and got caught. Adonis, he was initially cleared then something came to light by someone. These cases are different then before when the players weren't cleared by the NCAA, right?

 

[beast of the east]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

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Look, If ADR was at Syracuse, he'd be a project with little court time. Thomas would not have been a prized recruit, but a role player if he saw court time at all. What % of big time D1 players have stellar academic records beyond reproach? 10%? 20%? 30%? The problem isn't that he recruited these two kids who had academic issues, but that he didn't bring in a better, deeper, overall more talented class.

 

[Andrew]

It's now possible that Lavin may leave the next coach with one returning player(Amar). At least Roberts left him a tournament team.

 

[JohnnyFan]

As much as I want to blame Lavin for yet another mess, I guess we should wait to hear the details.

That said, this just redefines how the 2014 recruiting effort is unforgivable. I still cannot understand how an entire recruiting year came down to a summer flight to Italy and the late scramble for two (now ineligible) players.

 

[monte]

As much as I want to blame Lavin for yet another mess, I guess we should wait to hear the details.

That said, this just redefines how the 2014 recruiting effort is unforgivable. I still cannot understand how an entire recruiting year came down to a summer flight to Italy and the late scramble for two (now ineligible) players.

Lets not forget the 2 walk ons and JDR, who we needed to take in order to get a commit from his now ineligible brother.. To quote our coach "another stellar recruiting class"

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st...2014/11/11/7198521/adonis-delarosa-ineligible

 

[1and1sju]

So it appears according to reports that this has to do with his high school grades. Now, I sit and wait for someone on here to find a way to blame Lavin....

If he was a top 50 player then you take a chance on him. If he's a marginal talent then you pass. The coach should no if the kids he's recruiting will qualify.

Kind of like thinking there's know difference between no and know?

You're an educated man it seems Beast. You don't find Lavin at least partially responsible for the situation we find ourselves in? Down to one Center, and two PFs with little experience.

Granted, this happens at other programs. But it does seem to happen more frequently here, and when we can least afford it. If you knew Keith Thomas was an academic question mark (and it sounds like most opposing coaches viewed him that way) wouldn't you be doubly sure that the freshman center you are bringing in is going to be qualified?

It's not all Lavin's fault, obviously. At the end of the day the kid and his parents need to exercise some personal responsibility. Being NCAA eligible is not a difficult standard.
But I'm interested to hear from some of the staff's biggest supporters, how much if any blame they assign for this.

Look, If ADR was at Syracuse, he'd be a project with little court time. Thomas would not have been a prized recruit, but a role player if he saw court time at all. What % of big time D1 players have stellar academic records beyond reproach? 10%? 20%? 30%? The problem isn't that he recruited these two kids who had academic issues, but that he didn't bring in a better, deeper, overall more talented class.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel. Either have a deeper class or make sure these kids are going to be cleared.
Losing delarosa won't be the end of the world. But this is supposedly Lavins strong suit. Putting a team together shouldn't always be an issue.

 

[Andrew]

The roster they gave out at the St. Thomas game listed Samuel Harris IV a 6-0 guard from Tampa, Florida and Olisaemeka Nwachie a 6-7 F from Los Angeles, California. I guess Lavin knew he needed some more players.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

I try not to overreact to news like this, but I keep hearing Michael Ray Richardson in my head.

 

[stjohnschris]

I don't place any blame on Lavin and staff for KT or Adonis not qualifying. The Westchester CC situation affected more than just us, and when the NCAA Eligibility Clearninghouse cleared Adonis, it's considered done (right?). The fallout is that these are two major headlines because we had a weak recruiting class. If it happens at Syracuse or UCONN or NC with these same players it's not even a headline, it's a side story. So even if we are in no way at fault, we look bad as a program. The timing of this smells like a rat.