Adios Tariq
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=279916]Owens is going to end up at Texas Tech and he will have almost zero chance of making the tournament. I’m pretty confident Zhaire Smith isn’t coming back for them.
Such a shame, he wanted to be closer to home and he’ll end up further away.[/quote]
Is this a done deal?
Such a shame, he wanted to be closer to home and he’ll end up further away.[/quote]
Is this a done deal?
[quote="redken" post=279918][quote="Sju grad 13" post=279916]Owens is going to end up at Texas Tech and he will have almost zero chance of making the tournament. I’m pretty confident Zhaire Smith isn’t coming back for them.
Such a shame, he wanted to be closer to home and he’ll end up further away.[/quote]
Is this a done deal?[/quote]
No. But multiple insiders have alluded to the fact he’s probably not going to Maryland. He damn sure can’t comeback here ( father burned that bridge). His only option is Tech, who just lost five players including their best with smith.
Such a shame, he wanted to be closer to home and he’ll end up further away.[/quote]
Is this a done deal?[/quote]
No. But multiple insiders have alluded to the fact he’s probably not going to Maryland. He damn sure can’t comeback here ( father burned that bridge). His only option is Tech, who just lost five players including their best with smith.
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[quote="Class of 72" post=279910][quote="SJU14" post=279908][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]
A slight chance???
If Ponds returns and that grad big isn't a useless Golem, Mullin should have the talent to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Anyone who settles for the NIT next year should have their redmen.com membership revoked. That would signal the end. That's it's over. And at St. John's it's never over........................................[/quote]
With Ponds, Simon, Clark, a talented big man, and Dixon???
Why can't we make the NCAA tourny? Please tell me we'll have a quality bench.
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]
A slight chance???
If Ponds returns and that grad big isn't a useless Golem, Mullin should have the talent to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Anyone who settles for the NIT next year should have their redmen.com membership revoked. That would signal the end. That's it's over. And at St. John's it's never over........................................[/quote]
With Ponds, Simon, Clark, a talented big man, and Dixon???
Why can't we make the NCAA tourny? Please tell me we'll have a quality bench.
[quote="Class of 72" post=279909][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
80 minutes with two 40 minute halves?[/quote]
80 minutes total at the 4 and the 5. 2 positions X 40 minutes=80 minutes. Philosophy major?
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
80 minutes with two 40 minute halves?[/quote]
80 minutes total at the 4 and the 5. 2 positions X 40 minutes=80 minutes. Philosophy major?
[quote="Paultzman" post=279907][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
In any event it will only be one grad big & if Owens returns, a long shot, none is my sense right or wrong.[/quote]
Well you're plugged in and I most certainty am not, so I can't argue the point except that it doesn't make much sense why we wouldn't want three bigs with skills to share the 4 and the 5 or why the minutes available wouldn't be enough to attract 2 bigs or one big on the off chance Tariq returned. And if we got that I think it would pretty much be a ticket to the post-season. Isn't that the goal????
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
In any event it will only be one grad big & if Owens returns, a long shot, none is my sense right or wrong.[/quote]
Well you're plugged in and I most certainty am not, so I can't argue the point except that it doesn't make much sense why we wouldn't want three bigs with skills to share the 4 and the 5 or why the minutes available wouldn't be enough to attract 2 bigs or one big on the off chance Tariq returned. And if we got that I think it would pretty much be a ticket to the post-season. Isn't that the goal????
[quote="SJU14" post=279908][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]
The scenario assumes two bigs, one more talented than the other. Thin Marin Maric type as the 25 minute guy and a less in demand graduate big as the 20 minute guy. As I said Maric averaged 27 minutes for DePaul this year and made a big and noticeable impact. Downside for him was their losing record this no post season but I don't think will be the case for us next year if we get a good big and even more likely if we get a good big and an OK big to rotate in with him and Keita at the 4 and 5. We have way more to sell than DePaul had to attract Maric last year. Why can't it get done?
Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]
If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]
A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]
The scenario assumes two bigs, one more talented than the other. Thin Marin Maric type as the 25 minute guy and a less in demand graduate big as the 20 minute guy. As I said Maric averaged 27 minutes for DePaul this year and made a big and noticeable impact. Downside for him was their losing record this no post season but I don't think will be the case for us next year if we get a good big and even more likely if we get a good big and an OK big to rotate in with him and Keita at the 4 and 5. We have way more to sell than DePaul had to attract Maric last year. Why can't it get done?
beast of the east
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I will say tariq is an impressive highlight reel. Spectacular snuffs coming out if nowhere. One handed slams off alley oops far above the rim, all net 3 pointers from the corner, feathery 10 foot jumpers.
Truth is, beyond the highlights, not much there. No ball handling or passing skills, incapable post defender on man, under muscled, no post game. At very best on a very good team, a role player with limited minutes. The better his stat line next season, the worse the team he will be on
For the record, though. As annoying as his dad is, they've said all the right things about leaving the door open for a return.
Truth is, beyond the highlights, not much there. No ball handling or passing skills, incapable post defender on man, under muscled, no post game. At very best on a very good team, a role player with limited minutes. The better his stat line next season, the worse the team he will be on
For the record, though. As annoying as his dad is, they've said all the right things about leaving the door open for a return.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=279971]I will say tariq is an impressive highlight reel. Spectacular snuffs coming out if nowhere. One handed slams off alley oops far above the rim, all net 3 pointers from the corner, feathery 10 foot jumpers.
Truth is, beyond the highlights, not much there. No ball handling or passing skills, incapable post defender on man, under muscled, no post game. At very best on a very good team, a role player with limited minutes. The better his stat line next season, the worse the team he will be on[/quote]
Don't think that's fair. Tariq is not effective defending against stronger guys but with a strong guy next to him in the post Tariq would block a lot of shots and bother a lot of 4's with his athleticism and length. He would also be in a position to hit a lot of 10-15 foot jumpers, especially with another off-season to improve his shot as he did last off season. Playing a guy out of his area of strength doesn't make him look good and, unfortunately, SJU has done a lot of that. Put Tariq in the right role and he'd be way more than a bit player. I gather however that we aren't going to find that out here next year. Let's just hope we don't end up with only Keita and one grad big to play the 4 and 5 next year with only a raw Josh Roberts in case of foul trouble or injury. Or having to play Marvin Clark as the 4 again next year leaving us woefully undersized once again against teams with real bigs.
Truth is, beyond the highlights, not much there. No ball handling or passing skills, incapable post defender on man, under muscled, no post game. At very best on a very good team, a role player with limited minutes. The better his stat line next season, the worse the team he will be on[/quote]
Don't think that's fair. Tariq is not effective defending against stronger guys but with a strong guy next to him in the post Tariq would block a lot of shots and bother a lot of 4's with his athleticism and length. He would also be in a position to hit a lot of 10-15 foot jumpers, especially with another off-season to improve his shot as he did last off season. Playing a guy out of his area of strength doesn't make him look good and, unfortunately, SJU has done a lot of that. Put Tariq in the right role and he'd be way more than a bit player. I gather however that we aren't going to find that out here next year. Let's just hope we don't end up with only Keita and one grad big to play the 4 and 5 next year with only a raw Josh Roberts in case of foul trouble or injury. Or having to play Marvin Clark as the 4 again next year leaving us woefully undersized once again against teams with real bigs.
Good you guys kept thread open
Tariq Owens will make his college choice this week, per a source. He’s currently at Texas Tech. Has visited Maryland. There won’t be other visits. St. John’s still under consideration.
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Tariq Owens will make his college choice this week, per a source. He’s currently at Texas Tech. Has visited Maryland. There won’t be other visits. St. John’s still under consideration.
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Guess he went w/o his dad who is giving seminar on investments in Queens today
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redfanUpooooooo
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I for one would love for him to come back. If we ink a rebounding grad transfer, Keita and grad should give us the interior presence we need. Owens can be in a permanent four role. He does have s nice J, excellent shot blocking ability and great enthusiasm.
With how the program has a turnstile approach lately, the more we need depth and role players. Come back dude
With how the program has a turnstile approach lately, the more we need depth and role players. Come back dude
redfanUpooooooo
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Furthermore if Owens and Ponds return and we get one grad transfer big, i think we are a bonafide tourney team provided we stay healthy and intact 4 year.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year
redfanUpooooooo
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That would be great but we kept on waiting for that guy last year and it never happened. 6 guys playing. He knows the system can come off bench and provide minutes that Allie and Yakwe could not this year
[quote="Brellstorm" post=280037]Furthermore if Owens and Ponds return and we get one grad transfer big, i think we are a bonafide tourney team provided we stay healthy and intact 4 year.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.
[quote="Paultzman" post=280040][quote="Brellstorm" post=280037]Furthermore if Owens and Ponds return and we get one grad transfer big, i think we are a bonafide tourney team provided we stay healthy and intact 4 year.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.[/quote]
Oh then he has to go to Texas Tech. We can’t lose out on better prospects for Owens. Again, he’s a great young man, But no way he justifies taking a spot from that ODU kid or Femi.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.[/quote]
Oh then he has to go to Texas Tech. We can’t lose out on better prospects for Owens. Again, he’s a great young man, But no way he justifies taking a spot from that ODU kid or Femi.
[quote="Paultzman" post=280040][quote="Brellstorm" post=280037]Furthermore if Owens and Ponds return and we get one grad transfer big, i think we are a bonafide tourney team provided we stay healthy and intact 4 year.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.[/quote]
Seems like we’re condemned to the 6-man ‘strong’ team, with the 7-ish man ‘deep’ bench (Trimble/ Williams/Roberts) whether Tariq leaves or a Grad Big comes in.
Wonder which of the two—would make us the better team?
Actually thinking, the option without Tariq, but with a new rebounding Big. Different look and repairs a major weakness this past season. Losing Tariq’s outside shootings for the inside moves and presence of the Grad Big.
I take that trade—assuming it’s a Femi-type guy.
We could them sign two transfers to stash for the year[/quote]
If Owens returns, I sense they will not recruit a grad big and would have difficulty selling their grad targets then faced with less PT available.[/quote]
Seems like we’re condemned to the 6-man ‘strong’ team, with the 7-ish man ‘deep’ bench (Trimble/ Williams/Roberts) whether Tariq leaves or a Grad Big comes in.
Wonder which of the two—would make us the better team?
Actually thinking, the option without Tariq, but with a new rebounding Big. Different look and repairs a major weakness this past season. Losing Tariq’s outside shootings for the inside moves and presence of the Grad Big.
I take that trade—assuming it’s a Femi-type guy.
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