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Owens CAN’T COME BACK, especially if it means losing out on Femi.

Femi finished around 72 percent at the rim, is at least 35-40 pounds heavier than Owens, can play the pick and roll, doesn’t want to be a three point specialist ( averaged 1.3 attempts per game) and rebounds the ball more (7.7 vs 5.9).

This would be a huge L offensively for us.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=279874]Owens CAN’T COME BACK, especially if it means losing out on Femi.

Femi finished around 72 percent at the rim, is at least 35-40 pounds heavier than Owens, can play the pick and roll, doesn’t want to be a three point specialist ( averaged 1.3 attempts per game) and rebounds the ball more (7.7 vs 5.9).

This would be a huge L offensively for us.[/quote]

Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.
 
[quote="kranmars" post=279859]I would like to hold off on locking this thread until there is an end to this, especially after Paultzman's post. Besides, anyone can steer a thread off a cliff at any time.

But, having said that, knock off the insults, and stop crapping all over this thread. If you guys want to continue, do it offline, or go meet in a dark alley and settle it that way.[/quote]
Forget a dark alley, could meet at Kelcey's Gym. Go get Harrrrveeey! Hey Harvey! ;) :)
 
Paultzman wrote: Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.

Thanks. Vey good to hear.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279880][quote="Sju grad 13" post=279874]Owens CAN’T COME BACK, especially if it means losing out on Femi.

Femi finished around 72 percent at the rim, is at least 35-40 pounds heavier than Owens, can play the pick and roll, doesn’t want to be a three point specialist ( averaged 1.3 attempts per game) and rebounds the ball more (7.7 vs 5.9).

This would be a huge L offensively for us.[/quote]

Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.[/quote]

I really wished the best for Owens, but this isn’t going to work.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=279882]Paultzman wrote: Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.

Thanks. Vey good to hear.[/quote]

I’m slower these days, but it’s dawning on me that ‘PT’ may be the primary variable for a Grad Transfer to a high-major team. Which also means, ironically, that our pleas for 2 Grad Transfers or Juco Bigs is likely unrealistic, given our guard-oriented offense combined with the presence of Keita in the wings. One quality Big may be our limit this year due to the dynamics of ‘PT’.
Funny, how that goes.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=279884][quote="NCJohnnie" post=279882]Paultzman wrote: Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.

Thanks. Vey good to hear.[/quote]

I’m slower these days, but it’s dawning on me that ‘PT’ may be the primary variable for a Grad Transfer to a high-major team. Which also means, ironically, that our pleas for 2 Grad Transfers or Juco Bigs is likely unrealistic, given our guard-oriented offense combined with the presence of Keita in the wings. One quality Big may be our limit this year due to the dynamics of ‘PT’.
Funny, how that goes.[/quote] Give me 1 competent grad transfer big and I won’t complain. I would take Femi over Owens.
 
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LOL that's more 3 point attempts per game than Owens. Agree with Paultzman, you take the first solid option that is willing to sign (or resign) on the dotted line. We absolutely can't wind up with depth problems again this year.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=279884][quote="NCJohnnie" post=279882]Paultzman wrote: Another grad big in mix also, who may be more skilled than Femi, but hear you.

Thanks. Vey good to hear.[/quote]

I’m slower these days, but it’s dawning on me that ‘PT’ may be the primary variable for a Grad Transfer to a high-major team. Which also means, ironically, that our pleas for 2 Grad Transfers or Juco Bigs is likely unrealistic, given our guard-oriented offense combined with the presence of Keita in the wings. One quality Big may be our limit this year due to the dynamics of ‘PT’.
Funny, how that goes.[/quote]
Exactly right
 
[quote="bamafan" post=279881][quote="kranmars" post=279859]I would like to hold off on locking this thread until there is an end to this, especially after Paultzman's post. Besides, anyone can steer a thread off a cliff at any time.

But, having said that, knock off the insults, and stop crapping all over this thread. If you guys want to continue, do it offline, or go meet in a dark alley and settle it that way.[/quote]
Forget a dark alley, could meet at Kelcey's Gym. Go get Harrrrveeey! Hey Harvey! ;) :)[/quote]
Hey, get a load of bamafan over there. And a pox on you and all your ancestors. ;)
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The first 1 million posts were about how losing Owens is a huge blow to next season, and player retention is a concern.

Now, posters are grinding their teeth hoping Owens doesn't come back because it would hurt the chances of more talented bigs coming in.

This place is a riot. A regular riot. And there's plenty more of where that came from.
 
[quote="kranmars" post=279891]The first 1 million posts were about how losing Owens is a huge blow to next season, and player retention is a concern.


Now, posters are grinding their teeth hoping Owens doesn't come back because it would hurt the chances of more talented bigs coming in.

This place is a riot. A regular riot. And there's plenty more of where that came from.[/quote]

Ha!

“Mr Marshall (Owens) you are a bum!”

Fickle crowd
 
Franky if we get a solid post grad big with low post scoring and rebounding skills playing him next to Tariq would be ideal. Keita and those two form a 3-man rotation at the 4 and 5 with Roberts jumping in as needed. Clark slides over to the 3 where he is best suited anyway and assuming Shamorie is here we have a terrific backcourt as well and the ability to easily play 3 guards when warranted. Some folks seems to be forgetting how effective our four starters plus Bashir were last year as a unit down the stretch. Add in a solid big, Keita, Dixon, Williams, Roberts, Diakite and Earlington and we will be a very good, experienced, deep team. I'm all for a skilled, experienced big and Tariq staying home and hello NCAA's.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min
 
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[quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]
In any event it will only be one grad big & if Owens returns, a long shot, none is my sense right or wrong.
 
[quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]

Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.
 
[quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]

80 minutes with two 40 minute halves?
 
[quote="SJU14" post=279908][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]

Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]

A slight chance???
If Ponds returns and that grad big isn't a useless Golem, Mullin should have the talent to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Anyone who settles for the NIT next year should have their redmen.com membership revoked. That would signal the end. That's it's over. And at St. John's it's never over........................................
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=279910][quote="SJU14" post=279908][quote="REB" post=279900][quote="Room112" post=279896][quote="Paultzman" post=279865][quote="Chicago Days" post=279864][quote="RM86" post=279860]Maryland is hot after a 6'11 grad transfer thats a banger, could be a hold up for Tariq.[/quote]

Guessing this ‘buzz’ is what is behind Paultz’s cryptic post about Tariq. Geech, and the guy wonders why there’s a burgeoning cottage industry of ‘tea leaf’ readers over his posts!
Tariq coming back would be good, since it’s looking like only 1 Grad Big transfer is likely, and it makes us 7-deep (assuming we get a Femi-like guy and Shamorie returns).
But, it also makes next year’s recruiting more critical...to go with what may be 2 skilled/very skilled sit-outs coming soon.[/quote]

If Owens did return I doubt they could get either of their grad bigs to come because of PT concerns. Tricky! To me, get the first solid guy who wants in.[/quote]

A very good point that most have overlooked. Getting two grad transfers may have always been a pipe dream. Grad transfers usually seek out starting minutes or at least guaranteed minutes. We don't necessarily have that to offer for two.[/quote]
I don't see why we don't have minutes for two grad bigs if Owens is gone. Basically we then have three bigs, those two and Keita dividing most of 80 minutes at the 4 and 5 with Clark playing the 3. Marin Maric, who killed us this year for DePaul, averaged 27 minutes per game this season. I'd take his clone in a heartbeat, and apparently 27 minutes is all it takes.
For example:
Grad Big 1 - 25 min
Grad Big 2 - 20 min
Keita - 20 min
Clark, Simon, Ponds - 95 min
Dixon and Trimble - 30 min
Rest of bench - 10 min[/quote]

Why would a grad big come here to play 20 mins/game with a slight chance of making the NCAA Tournament? That isn’t exactly an easy sell.[/quote]

A slight chance???
If Ponds returns and that grad big isn't a useless Golem, Mullin should have the talent to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Anyone who settles for the NIT next year should have their redmen.com membership revoked. That would signal the end. That's it's over. And at St. John's it's never over........................................[/quote]

I agree that we should make the tournament next year if we get a serviceable big and everybody who is expected to be here is here.

With grad bigs they are usually looking for one (or more) of these three things: more playing time, to play in the tournament, or get more exposure to play in the NBA. The issue with us and grad bigs right now is that we don’t exactly offer a ton of PT, the tournament isn’t a given, and there’s plenty of other programs that also offer exposure to the NBA.
 
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