Adios Tariq

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[quote="thetux1" post=277987][quote="Class of 72" post=277923][quote="Knight" post=277877]Brandon Tierney-
Absolutely love Tariq Owens. Incredibly affable young man with a bright future on and off the court. I understand the frustration from #SJUBB fans regarding his defection from the program, but keep in mind: he's really still a kid.

Keep it classy.

Good points.[/quote]

Someone tell Tierney that there were 2nd Louie's Tariq's age leading 18 year olds in combat in Vietnam. If his jock strap were big enough he would have the confidence in his ability to play a major role within the team concept. If, like LoVett, his concern, given his non NBA potential and skill sets, is all about himself, then I don't give a flying duck how nice a kid he is, because to me he wants to be above the team goal of playing as a "team".
If the past is any indication of his success potential in leaving, I think he could play on any other team but will have a more minimal role. Except for those that chose to dredge up ancient history with Roshown McLeod, none of the players that left St. John's amounted to very much.[/quote]

Polee, Larry Wright. Mussini this year would have been huge. I'm sure there's others I'm leaving out. When you lose half your roster every year it's hard to keep track[/quote]

Mussini would have been an asset but not huge.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277988][quote="thetux1" post=277987][quote="Class of 72" post=277923][quote="Knight" post=277877]Brandon Tierney-
Absolutely love Tariq Owens. Incredibly affable young man with a bright future on and off the court. I understand the frustration from #SJUBB fans regarding his defection from the program, but keep in mind: he's really still a kid.

Keep it classy.

Good points.[/quote]

Someone tell Tierney that there were 2nd Louie's Tariq's age leading 18 year olds in combat in Vietnam. If his jock strap were big enough he would have the confidence in his ability to play a major role within the team concept. If, like LoVett, his concern, given his non NBA potential and skill sets, is all about himself, then I don't give a flying duck how nice a kid he is, because to me he wants to be above the team goal of playing as a "team".
If the past is any indication of his success potential in leaving, I think he could play on any other team but will have a more minimal role. Except for those that chose to dredge up ancient history with Roshown McLeod, none of the players that left St. John's amounted to very much.[/quote]

Polee, Larry Wright. Mussini this year would have been huge. I'm sure there's others I'm leaving out. When you lose half your roster every year it's hard to keep track[/quote]

Mussini would have been an asset but not huge.[/quote]

Quincy. Does Roshown Mcleod ancient history include his domestic partner (pregnant) battery?

Late to the game here, wish Owens would stay, but agree that another program isn't going to do anything more than he did here. See Tyler Harris as an example. Transferred into PC after his freshman year at NC St.. Was solid his two years playing at PC. NCAA teams. Graduated, had a year left, dad (note his brother already was in NBA) thought he should be showcase. Instead of staying his senior year on an already good NCAA PC team, went to Auburn for his last year. Didn't hear a whiff of him on that transfer year. And bouncing around in Europe. Skills don't suddenly increase when you have played in two major hoops conferences (Owens, and Harris as an example) to move to a third. It's not the setting. It's not the coach. Sad cases of fathers influence. Can you imagine a non athlete student transferring to another school b/c they thought they could get better grades? You are what you are.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277825][quote="NCJohnnie" post=277823]I sense it's not over with Tariq and he still may decide to return, although if he doesn't decide pretty quickly staff will have to move on and bring in a replacement. Would love to have him back, but wish him well either way.[/quote]

I would say only that Tariq will be back if he can't find a better deal.

It's interesting and more common now. It's like playing yourself into the draft, except that here it's like playing yourself into a potentially better situation (at least in the player's mind). If he thinks he can be in a better position to play in the NBA by transferring, he will. Just about any D1 player can play overseas, so that can't be the end goal.

I would say he is 90% gone. Playing nice with St. John's just in case nothing better materializes, but to me at least, we are his last option after all better opportunities are exhausted. It's the way the business works for some and to me it just sucks, so whether he comes back or not, I can't really be all in for him, but who cares about that?[/quote]

Amazing how many other posters on here fail to mention Tariq's commitment to his team and teammates and what they were trying to build here. Making BS excuse about him and his father "having to do what's best for him", blah, blah blah, Guess I'm just cut from a different cloth as a parent and person. IMO what he's doing is not quite as bad as what Lovett did, but it aint much better. I could understand it if he landed at a Duke or NC, or was leaving to play pro ball, but any move he makes won't be much better than lateral. But considering that this is the "me first" and "instant gratification" generation, things like this don't surprise me. .
 
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Polee, Larry Wright. Mussini this year would have been huge. I'm sure there's others I'm leaving out. When you lose half your roster every year it's hard to keep track

Cedric Jackson left St. John's (where he struggled) for Cleveland State (where he blossomed). He ultimately made the NBA and although he was only in the league for a moment, he was able to then have a successful professional career in New Zealand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Jackson
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=277969][quote="Class of 72" post=277923][quote="Knight" post=277877]Brandon Tierney-
Absolutely love Tariq Owens. Incredibly affable young man with a bright future on and off the court. I understand the frustration from #SJUBB fans regarding his defection from the program, but keep in mind: he's really still a kid.

Keep it classy.

Good points.[/quote]

Someone tell Tierney that there were 2nd Louie's Tariq's age leading 18 year olds in combat in Vietnam. If his jock strap were big enough he would have the confidence in his ability to play a major role within the team concept. If, like LoVett, his concern, given his non NBA potential and skill sets, is all about himself, then I don't give a flying duck how nice a kid he is, because to me he wants to be above the team goal of playing as a "team".
If the past is any indication of his success potential in leaving, I think he could play on any other team but will have a more minimal role. Except for those that chose to dredge up ancient history with Roshown McLeod, none of the players that left St. John's amounted to very much.[/quote]

Tariq is a very young man, and he will and should do what he wants even if it turns out to be a “mistake”. Nevertheless what better situation for him then being coached by two NBA/Hall of Fame coaches...
Especially if TO has any interest in playing after college.[/quote] Hall of fame players who are now coaching is more accurate.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277988][quote="thetux1" post=277987][quote="Class of 72" post=277923][quote="Knight" post=277877]Brandon Tierney-
Absolutely love Tariq Owens. Incredibly affable young man with a bright future on and off the court. I understand the frustration from #SJUBB fans regarding his defection from the program, but keep in mind: he's really still a kid.

Keep it classy.

Good points.[/quote]

Someone tell Tierney that there were 2nd Louie's Tariq's age leading 18 year olds in combat in Vietnam. If his jock strap were big enough he would have the confidence in his ability to play a major role within the team concept. If, like LoVett, his concern, given his non NBA potential and skill sets, is all about himself, then I don't give a flying duck how nice a kid he is, because to me he wants to be above the team goal of playing as a "team".
If the past is any indication of his success potential in leaving, I think he could play on any other team but will have a more minimal role. Except for those that chose to dredge up ancient history with Roshown McLeod, none of the players that left St. John's amounted to very much.[/quote]

Was it you (?) Tux alluding to Vietnam and Second Lieutenants (and the boys and girls currently serving in the Middle East) - making about $400. a month in salary circa late 1960s-early 1970s...Thank you very much for adding some PERSPECTIVE to this topic.
all the best
Sherman :)
 
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Only Owens comment. I do not understand why he would leave a starting role here for a backup role in Maryland with the team we have returning.

Grad transfer listing would take shot at Luther, Colorado kid, WW and Wake forest guard transferring
 
Everyone out of sorts over a player averaging 8 and 6, with 3 blocks in 30 minutes. A player, based on age an experience, that has likely peaked. I can only imagine the frenzy if an 18 year old with seemingly a world of potential that averaged 7 and 5, with 2 blocks in 23 minutes had transferred after his freshman season. That 18 year old was Kassoum Yakwe. We all konw how that turned out. Point is, the team only won 4 Big East games with Tariq. We will survive without him. Plus, there is something a bit distasteful about an 8 and 6 player setting forth demands, or at the very least demanding his ego be stroked. College coaching, except for the top programs, must be a real pain these days.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=277867]Seems to me that we are set up for Tariq to play a stretch 4 with Keita and Earlington and whatever other big we can get making room for Marvin Clark and Simon and Tariq to slash to the middle behind the defense. We already did it last year with not enough players to sustain it. Talk is cheap. Maryland can say what they want but we already put it in to practice. The last thing Tariq should want is a playing situation that exposes how vulnerable he is as an underweight low post player.[/quote]

FWIW, Earlington will never play in the BE as a "big." Yes, he played that in HS because he was the biggest (not tallest) player on the team. He will develop his wing skills enough to be a contributor there or not play significant minutes IMO. Now, should we be as shorthanded next year as this he may get some minutes underneath but that will be out of desperation, or in a unique matchup situation, not by design.
 
Just remember, as a recent trip down memory lane, was that when Christian Jones was in the very same situation, the discussion was whether Mullin would cut him loose (he had a red shirt year), or allow him to stay at St. John's as a grad student. We had zero problem with Christian exploring his options and going elsewhere, and the biggest advocates for him staying here saw a lot of potential in his final 25+ point game. However, not a single person had a problem with him looking elsewhere.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278047]Just remember, as a recent trip down memory lane, was that when Christian Jones was in the very same situation, the discussion was whether Mullin would cut him loose (he had a red shirt year), or allow him to stay at St. John's as a grad student. We had zero problem with Christian exploring his options and going elsewhere, and the biggest advocates for him staying here saw a lot of potential in his final 25+ point game. However, not a single person had a problem with him looking elsewhere.[/quote]

Respectfully Beast, I don't think the Christian Jones situation is comparable. By all accounts, the staff pushed Jones to leave or at least indicated that he would not play a major role the following year. Under such circumstances, who could blame him for exploring his options.

Owens, conversely, is a starter and esd considered by many to be an integral piece to next year's team, a critical year for the program. His announced departure strikes some as a rejection of the program and a betrayal.

I'm not suggesting Owens is any less entitled to transfer than Jones, but the circumstances surrounding their departure strike me as very different.
 
[quote="Dan V" post=277993][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=277969][quote="Class of 72" post=277923][quote="Knight" post=277877]Brandon Tierney-
Absolutely love Tariq Owens. Incredibly affable young man with a bright future on and off the court. I understand the frustration from #SJUBB fans regarding his defection from the program, but keep in mind: he's really still a kid.

Keep it classy.

Good points.[/quote]

Someone tell Tierney that there were 2nd Louie's Tariq's age leading 18 year olds in combat in Vietnam. If his jock strap were big enough he would have the confidence in his ability to play a major role within the team concept. If, like LoVett, his concern, given his non NBA potential and skill sets, is all about himself, then I don't give a flying duck how nice a kid he is, because to me he wants to be above the team goal of playing as a "team".
If the past is any indication of his success potential in leaving, I think he could play on any other team but will have a more minimal role. Except for those that chose to dredge up ancient history with Roshown McLeod, none of the players that left St. John's amounted to very much.[/quote]

Tariq is a very young man, and he will and should do what he wants even if it turns out to be a “mistake”. Nevertheless what better situation for him then being coached by two NBA/Hall of Fame coaches...
Especially if TO has any interest in playing after college.[/quote] Hall of fame players who are now coaching is more accurate.[/quote]

And as I stated before neither is a big man, they were guards. If we want to attract a solid big man don't we need someone who we can sell to a recruit as a big man coach who can get you to the NBA?
 
“Come play with Hall of Fame Coaches” mantra may wear thin soon. Start winning sooner than later.

Frankly not sure getting Mitch & then promoting him was a good move. I could live with him in that Special Assistant role, not one where a reasonable amount of recruiting is not part of the equation.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278047]Just remember, as a recent trip down memory lane, was that when Christian Jones was in the very same situation, the discussion was whether Mullin would cut him loose (he had a red shirt year), or allow him to stay at St. John's as a grad student. We had zero problem with Christian exploring his options and going elsewhere, and the biggest advocates for him staying here saw a lot of potential in his final 25+ point game. However, not a single person had a problem with him looking elsewhere.[/quote]

If we want players to commit to us we have to truly commit to them. We didn't get mad when CM chased of CJ or AA (of course AA always wanted to be hear and stayed because we couldn't fill a team). If that is acceptable Tariq looking elsewhere has to be fair play.
 
St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.

Per Evan Daniels

Wouldn’t Ok State be funny
 
[quote="SJU14" post=278120]St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.

Per Evan Daniels

Wouldn’t Ok State be funny[/quote]
Geez, only eight teams. That bodes well for us. :(
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=278089][quote="Beast of the East" post=278047]Just remember, as a recent trip down memory lane, was that when Christian Jones was in the very same situation, the discussion was whether Mullin would cut him loose (he had a red shirt year), or allow him to stay at St. John's as a grad student. We had zero problem with Christian exploring his options and going elsewhere, and the biggest advocates for him staying here saw a lot of potential in his final 25+ point game. However, not a single person had a problem with him looking elsewhere.[/quote]

If we want players to commit to us we have to truly commit to them. We didn't get mad when CM chased of CJ or AA (of course AA always wanted to be hear and stayed because we couldn't fill a team). If that is acceptable Tariq looking elsewhere has to be fair play.[/quote]

You make a good point re. Jones and Amar but Owens is or was a big part if the puzzle for year four. He either doesn't want competition for his minutes (selfish) or his dad has no confidence that our staff can get Tariq to improve his game any further. My guess is that it is more of the latter.
Three straight losing seasons while he has been on campus doesn't exactly scream optimism but sadly, no matter where Owens transfers to, he will in no way have a bigger role and ultimately will have to learn a new system (or a real system ) as opposed to the free style he has been accustomed to with Mullin's NBA offense.
We are both losing if he transfers but I think he loses more by going to a 3rd school.
Finally, the more troubling thing here is the willingness of players to leave Mullin, whether it is their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year.
 
[quote="redken" post=278122][quote="SJU14" post=278120]St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.

Per Evan Daniels

Wouldn’t Ok State be funny[/quote]
Geez, only eight teams. That bodes well for us. :([/quote]

He's down to one team but doesn't want to give the impression that discussions took place during his time here.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=278134][quote="redken" post=278122][quote="SJU14" post=278120]St. John’s transfer Tariq Owen is down to Maryland, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, ODU & VCU.

Per Evan Daniels

Wouldn’t Ok State be funny[/quote]
Geez, only eight teams. That bodes well for us. :([/quote]

He's down to one team but doesn't want to give the impression that discussions took place during his time here.[/quote]

Having that Big 10 body must be giving him away.
 
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