a lot of endlessly repetitive chatter

From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Which is why we need a ‘coach-in-waiting’ soon. I suppose GSJ may be that person. Just hope he’s up to the challenge.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=294177][quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Which is why we need a ‘coach-in-waiting’ soon. I suppose GSJ may be that person. Just hope he’s up to the challenge.[/quote] No thank you, please hire an established coach with a history of success. And get a staff with some AAU ties in the northeast and the DMV area wouldn't hurt either, pretty basic stuff in college basketball. If his plan was to pass it off in better shape than when he came in he kind of shot himself in the foot by openly admitting he wouldn't be here too long. He probably does want to leave it to GSJ and Matt which I think is a horrible idea. Im fine with Matt as an AC but please hire a real HC. Let GSJ earn his stripes as a HC at a lower level first.
 
[quote="Dan V" post=294179][quote="Chicago Days" post=294177][quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Which is why we need a ‘coach-in-waiting’ soon. I suppose GSJ may be that person. Just hope he’s up to the challenge.[/quote] No thank you, please hire an established coach with a history of success. And get a staff with some AAU ties in the northeast and the DMV area wouldn't hurt either, pretty basic stuff in college basketball. If his plan was to pass it off in better shape than when he came in he kind of shot himself in the foot by openly admitting he wouldn't be here too long. He probably does want to leave it to GSJ and Matt which I think is a horrible idea. Im fine with Matt as an AC but please hire a real HC. Let GSJ earn his stripes as a HC at a lower level first.[/quote]

I agree, Dan.
But I expect, given the kudos GSG has attained to-date, his loyalty to Mullin and vice-versa, he’ll be a ‘candidate’.
But I agree that we need an HC with strong hoops bonafides—with a strong track record and a solid recruiter.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]
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Yes ........ yet rumor and speculation from unnamed sources to extend this repetitive thread !!!
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Not sure where you heard this from, but parts of it are incredibly inaccurate. Yes, almost 100% this will be Chris' last job. He has no aspirations to move on to something else, either here or on the left coast. You never say never, but SJU will likely be the last job. The part about returning to the west coast as far as I know is purely hypothetical. His boys are in NYC area and love it, Chris is a New Yorker, and without going into much detail, his family will be more intact in a year or so, and to my knowledge be in NY
 
[quote="otis" post=294184][quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]
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Yes ........ yet rumor and speculation from unnamed sources to extend this repetitive thread !!![/quote]

I was at the news conference. Where were you? So was a guy named Sammy. I'm sure there is even a clip or mention somewhere but I've given up trying to prove anything to you.
 
I know it's a rumor, but if that's true about Chris always having short term plans, and if SJU was aware, then that's a really dumb hire. I thought the whole point of hiring him was that he wouldn't leave for another college. Maybe even stay for a couple decades. How is retiring after 6 years or so helpful to the program? He's not exactly someone like MJ who could pull in 5 star recruits based on name alone, nor was he a coach at the time of the hiring. So.... why?? Even if he does well, that means hitting the reset button yet again. I don't even want to think about who they have planned to be his replacement...

Seems to me nostalgia overtook logic in his hiring decision. We need somebody dedicated to coaching. You can't do this job unless you're giving 110% effort and really want to build a legacy. That's why Matt is the best person on staff.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=294186][quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Not sure where you heard this from, but parts of it are incredibly inaccurate. Yes, almost 100% this will be Chris' last job. He has no aspirations to move on to something else, either here or on the left coast. You never say never, but SJU will likely be the last job. The part about returning to the west coast as far as I know is purely hypothetical. His boys are in NYC area and love it, Chris is a New Yorker, and without going into much detail, his family will be more intact in a year or so, and to my knowledge be in NY[/quote]

Hope you're correct Beast.
Also, it will be great if his family does relocate back to the East--as has been speculated about in the past.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=294186][quote="Class of 72" post=294175]From reading green tea leaves and knowing people who have sipped the tea with knowledgeable people, I am of the opinion that neither Chris nor Mitch have long term plans to remain at St. John's.
The goals were always short term and under 6 years to get the program on track and to pass it on. It is pretty much common knowledge since Mullin stated as much after he was hired. His family move back to California was made much easier because of that mindset. Unfortunately it has also affected long term recruitment efforts as competition is using that scenario to steer recruits away from St. John's.[/quote]

Not sure where you heard this from, but parts of it are incredibly inaccurate. Yes, almost 100% this will be Chris' last job. He has no aspirations to move on to something else, either here or on the left coast. You never say never, but SJU will likely be the last job. The part about returning to the west coast as far as I know is purely hypothetical. His boys are in NYC area and love it, Chris is a New Yorker, and without going into much detail, his family will be more intact in a year or so, and to my knowledge be in NY[/quote]

I am well aware of his family situation. His "boys" have nothing to do with anything. Yes, his NY family and friends hope he completes what he started at St. John's but this a transitional year for him. Perhaps you missed it but Chris sold his toney multimillion dollar home on Long Island after his first season at St. John's. His wife and daughter have been living in the Bay area ever since. Did you think all the trips to Oakland International Airport were recruiting trips? When and if he purchases another family home in New York I will be more comfortable with his long term commitment. That said, Chris hasn't really lived in the New York area since he was 22 years old.
 
Mullin sighting !!!! He's at the US Open so no California posts for now please !!!
 
Watching the U.S. Open. Brad Gilbert, one of the announcers, was in the stands next to Coach Mullin. Waiting to see if they are going to interview him in between points.
 
mjmaherjr wrote: Mullin sighting !!!! He's at the US Open so no California posts for now please !!!

Undoubtedly pissed he is sitting there watching Djokovic against a guy named Millman instead of Federer! Hope he doesn't take it out on the guys at practice tomorrow...
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294219]mjmaherjr wrote: Mullin sighting !!!! He's at the US Open so no California posts for now please !!!

Undoubtedly pissed he is sitting there watching Djokovic against a guy named Millman instead of Federer! Hope he doesn't take it out on the guys at practice tomorrow...[/quote] Millman screaming like a pussy when he serves drives me crazy
 
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Yes ........ yet rumor and speculation from unnamed sources to extend this repetitive thread !!![/quote]

People complain about threads going off topic, so those posts get dumped here. So why on earth would anyone complain about this thread? People should just stay out of it if it bugs them so much.
 
[quote="Adam" post=294188]I know it's a rumor, but if that's true about Chris always having short term plans, and if SJU was aware, then that's a really dumb hire. I thought the whole point of hiring him was that he wouldn't leave for another college. Maybe even stay for a couple decades. How is retiring after 6 years or so helpful to the program? He's not exactly someone like MJ who could pull in 5 star recruits based on name alone, nor was he a coach at the time of the hiring. So.... why?? Even if he does well, that means hitting the reset button yet again. I don't even want to think about who they have planned to be his replacement...

Seems to me nostalgia overtook logic in his hiring decision. We need somebody dedicated to coaching. You can't do this job unless you're giving 110% effort and really want to build a legacy. That's why Matt is the best person on staff.[/quote]

He's a 50-something millionaire who lived in California for three decades prior to being hired. And he didn't seem to have much to do with the program before taking the job. There's no way it was ever going to be anything but a relatively short-term gig. But in defense of all parties involved, he's a hall of famer, and one of the top handful of shooters all time. Everyone probably thought the program would be stable and a winner by now. I had some reservations about hiring him -- see Clyde Drexler -- but when it actually happened the excitement here was through the roof. Unfortunately, how diehard fans feel -- many of whom saw him play here in person -- is not how a bunch of 16-year-olds feel about him. Sucks but it's true. If we win big this season, but recruiting doesn't pick up, does he have it in him for another rebuild?
 
Gotta hand it to Millman though, he is making Djokovic earn every point. Djoker looks like he is ready to pass out.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=294226]Gotta hand it to Millman though, he is making Djokovic earn every point. Djoker looks like he is ready to pass out.[/quote] I'm just hoping this doesn't go like last night. I cant take a 2am ending again

I'm still pissed about Fed losing I have no interest in sunday. Hopefully Saturday I'll go see Serena
 
I can't imagine what a frenzy it will be if Mullin has a great years 4-6, gets interest of HS kids, then retires. By year 5, with only 1 year left on contract and no talk of renewal, it will be a lame duck position.
 
Miss going to the Open. Used to go every year between 1994 and around 2004 but haven't been since. Saw Fed lose to Agassi before Fed was winning slams. I am planning two sports road trips next year, the BE tournament and the Open on Labor Day weekend.
 
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